Gaza ‘Corpses’ Caught Moving When They Forget Cameras Are On Them

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

How many would be dead if Hamas had not started shooting rockets into Israel.

Actions have consequences. Something today's world seems to forget, as we are seeing in America

[OriZ 3,157]

Even Egypt blames Hamas. Everyone told them, if people die, the blood is going to be on your hands. That was in the first few days, they could have saved the lives of at least 1500 people. Hell, even these past few days since they decided to start shooting again, how many people died since? It was their choice to shoot again.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

My favorite protester video is from Egypt.. The woman covered in blood was a really nice touch..

[Karee 4,190]

Link ?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a87_1383098197

[Expat1 971]

Wasn't even 1200. Was probably not even 1000. And the ones who are civilians are due to Hamas' irresponsibility.

You probably aren't the best person to represent Israel to us and I'm glad they are not all like you. Since we have no decent, moral Israeli voice on this board I feel compelled to help by stating categorically that I agree with this IDF soldier and former combat veteran.

There are an endless number of these (see http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/) so I will just answer your posts one by one with the words of your own combat vets until you either fold and admit these atrocities are wrong or man up and declare that you stand with all the other terrorists.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/hamas-cruel-enemy-what-have-we-become

These things are clear and correct. Yet as a veteran of the IDF and an Israeli citizen, I don’t bear responsibility for Hamas’ actions, but rather for those of the Israeli society of which I am a part. So let’s focus on Israel, my country and my home.

Imagine a big family gathering in a home during days of war. Fear fills the air but it’s easier when everyone’s together.

Suddenly a bomb hits the home – and the family is erased. On July 20th, twenty-five members of the Abu Jamei family, from the town of Bani-Suheila in Gaza, lost their lives to a bomb dropped by the Israeli Air Force. Why was the Abu Jamei home bombed? Why have other families lost their lives in recent weeks in similar bombings? Among them eight members of the Kawara family, six of whom were children; six members of the Hamad family who were killed in their sleep and eight members of the Al Haj family.

The IDF explains that Hamas members, or members of another organization that the IDF wished to harm, were in these homes – and at least in some cases a warning was given to the family in the form of a telephone call, or the dropping of a smaller bomb on the house.

Hamas is a cruel and cynical enemy. But what have we become? Is it not a cynical act to bomb Hamas members’ family homes that don’t constitute a “ticking bomb” threat – that is to say, don’t pose an immediate threat to soldiers or civilians – with the knowledge that there are innocent family members who will be harmed inside? Does the fact that a family didn’t heed our telephone request to leave a building grant us the right to sentence them to death? When we choose to do so, are we not functioning as executioners who have lost respect for human life? When we choose to act this way, can we really continue to boast the claim that we do everything in our power to avoid civilian casualties? The answer to the last question, to my dismay, is no.

I wrote that Hamas controls Gaza, but Hamas isn’t alone. Israel also continues to control Gaza. Israel controls the daily entry and exit of goods from the Gaza Strip; prevents access to Gaza from the air and the sea, limiting the fishing area for Palestinians; Israel even controls the population registry in the region. According to the UN, approximately 1,800 people were killed in the Gaza Strip these past few weeks, around 250 of whom were minors. Most of the dead did not take part in hostilities against Israel. Can we as Israelis earnestly shrug off our responsibility to the residents of the Gaza Strip?

I believe that we cannot shake off this responsibility.

As an Israeli citizen who loves his home, I hope that many other citizens will join me in calling on Israel to stop this practice of bombing homes with their inhabitants inside – an act that causes unreasonable harm to Gazan civilians. We must stop sending our friends and our soldiers on operations that will definitively harm civilians. We must end Israel’s protracted control over the Gaza Strip.

The writer served as an infantry combat soldier and commander in the IDF, and is a founding member of Breaking the Silence, an Israeli NGO of veteran combatants who through published testimony, lectures, meetings and tours attempt to give the Israeli public a fuller picture of everyday life in the Occupied Territories since the start of the Second Intifada.

Edited August 22, 2014 by Expat1

[Expat1 971]

Even Egypt blames Hamas. Everyone told them, if people die, the blood is going to be on your hands. That was in the first few days, they could have saved the lives of at least 1500 people. Hell, even these past few days since they decided to start shooting again, how many people died since? It was their choice to shoot again.

Israeli soldiers story about using random people as human shields in Gaza

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/58949

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Even Egypt blames Hamas. Everyone told them, if people die, the blood is going to be on your hands. That was in the first few days, they could have saved the lives of at least 1500 people. Hell, even these past few days since they decided to start shooting again, how many people died since? It was their choice to shoot again.

[Expat1 971]

Even Egypt blames Hamas. Everyone told them, if people die, the blood is going to be on your hands. That was in the first few days, they could have saved the lives of at least 1500 people. Hell, even these past few days since they decided to start shooting again, how many people died since? It was their choice to shoot again.

This isn't Egypt.

Hey you know what's cool to do? Stop a random kid at a roadblock, accuse him of throwing stones, and slap him around. Just for fun. Just for the hell of it.

An Israeli soldier's testimonial

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/57917

[LibCampFireClub 635]

How many would be dead if Hamas had not started shooting rockets into Israel.

Actions have consequences. Something today's world seems to forget, as we are seeing in America

Interesting how the gee-hod-ists like to omit that little tid-bit of information from their narrative.

[Expat1 971]

Interesting how the gee-hod-ists like to omit that little tid-bit of information from their narrative.

Actions do have consequences. Lots of information omitted. Not sure I would tolerate a neighbor like this either. Especially if it was my daughter being beat up or having a brick thrown at her head by an illegal settler. Another testimonial:

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/75697

My main difficulty in Hebron was the settlers, the Jewish community there. The feeling was that we were protecting the Arabs from the Jews, and neither side liked us, but it felt as though the Jews really did whatever they pleased and no one would care. We were stuck in the middle. I'll give you an example of something that happened right next to me: I was standing guard duty and one of the outposts summoned a medic on radio. Someone replaced me at the guard post and I ran down, and I see a six-year Palestinian girl -- her whole head was an open wound.

At 44 (a military post next to the Tel Rumeida settlement in Hebron)?

Yes. The extremely cute child who would regularly visit our position decided that he didn't like Palestinians walking right under his home, so he took a brick and threw it at her head. Kids do whatever they please there. No one does anything about it. No one cares. Afterwards, his parents only praised him. The parents there encourage their children to behave this way. I had many such cases. 11-12 year old Jewish children beat up Palestinians and their parents come to help them along, set their dogs on them; a thousand and one stories

So by this former Israeli soldier's own words a thousand and one stories of random violence by those poor settlers. ON what planet do the people who commit the violence become victims and the people who defend themselves against the violence become terrorists?

Edited August 22, 2014 by Expat1

[OriZ 3,157]

You probably aren't the best person to represent Israel to us and I'm glad they are not all like you. Since we have no decent, moral Israeli voice on this board I feel compelled to help by stating categorically that I agree with this IDF soldier and former combat veteran.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said what you claim I said in the other thread. Ignoring it won't make it go away, it only proves you are nothing but a liar. You not only try to twist my words against me, but also make up stuff I never said. And then completely ignore it when asked to show where it was said. And then keep posting your normal BS instead.

I find it quite ironic that you justify air support by the IDF in Syria to help ISIS to take down Assad in one thread and then pretend to give two shts about the plight of starving women and children who are being butchered by ISIS in Iraq in another thread

That's just me though.

Come on, lets see it.

[Karee 4,190]

So by this former Israeli soldier's own words a thousand and one stories of random violence by those poor settlers. ON what planet do the people who commit the violence become victims and the people who defend themselves against the violence become terrorists?

It's all about media and public opinion manipulation. The Israelis are experts at it. Just frame them as a bunch of Muslim terrorists and voila, no one cares what happens to the Palestinians. "These are same folks that flew planes in to the WTC damnit!" The average gullible American TV viewer falls for it every time. The whole thing is quite impressive. I mean what other country on the planet gets away with keeping an entire group of people in an open air prison with the full financial and military support of the U.S. govt? The people in Gaza see how well things are going in the west bank with this alleged "peace" More land being taken every day. Israeli settlers killing Palestinians. Israeli soldiers beating up civilians. That's what peace with Israel gets you. And people wonder why they fire rockets? Israel has no concept of the carrot and stick approach. It's just varying levels of sticks, no carrots.

ETA: I also love these alleged "peace" deals coming form the Israeli side. We'll take all of your land, and then offer to give you 70% of it back. And then they claim the Palestinians aren't willing partners in the peace process..

Edited August 22, 2014 by Karee

[Expat1 971]

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said what you claim I said in the other thread. Ignoring it won't make it go away, it only proves you are nothing but a liar. You not only try to twist my words against me, but also make up stuff I never said. And then completely ignore it when asked to show where it was said. And then keep posting your normal BS instead.

Come on, lets see it.

Don't have the time to search that thread. I believe that I saw you support it.

You can prove me wrong right now by condemning Israel's air attacks on Assad while his regime was fighting the ISIS rebels and if you do condemn that act and admit that stupidity of that act I will follow up with an apology to you as well as admit my mistake. If you do not then we can continue this thread because there is a lot of taped and written testimony by former IDF soldiers posted that actually supports my position on the Gaza issue and you probably want the opportunity to address that.

That's the best deal you're getting. Take it or not. I for one sure don't blame you for reading this one and jumping to another one because we both know there are hundreds of these testimonials and its going to be hard for you or anyone else to declare them "pallywood", "staged", or "anti-Semitic" when they are coming from IDF combat vets.

Edited August 22, 2014 by Expat1

[Expat1 971]

It's all about media and public opinion manipulation. The Israelis are experts at it. Just frame them as a bunch of Muslim terrorists and voila, no one cares what happens to the Palestinians. "These are same folks that flew planes in to the WTC damnit!" The average gullible American TV viewer falls for it every time. The whole thing is quite impressive. I mean what other country on the planet gets away with keeping an entire group of people in an open air prison with the full financial and military support of the U.S. govt? The people in Gaza see how well things are going in the west bank with this alleged "peace" More land being taken every day. Israeli settlers killing Palestinians. Israeli soldiers beating up civilians. That's what peace with Israel gets you. And people wonder why they fire rockets? Israel has no concept of the carrot and stick approach. It's just varying levels of sticks, no carrots.

ETA: I also love these alleged "peace" deals coming form the Israeli side. We'll take all of your land, and then offer to give you 70% of it back. And then they claim the Palestinians aren't willing partners in the peace process..

Israel was traded for votes for Truman in one specific election. The problems today were predicted and those who predicted it were right.

Both sides should have been held to firm, fixed agreements rather than let one side terrorize the other out of their homes and off their land and simply pass themselves a law allowing them to take it.

Loy Henderson, Director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs

“...support by the Government of the United States of a policy favoring the setting up of a Jewish State in Palestine would be contrary to the wishes of a large majority of the local inhabitants with respect to their form of government. Furthermore, it would have a strongly adverse effect upon American interests throughout the Near and Middle East...”

“At the present time the United States has a moral prestige in the Near and Middle East unequaled by that of any other great power. We would lose that prestige and would be likely for many years to be considered as a betrayer of the high principles which we ourselves have enunciated during the period of the war.”

“...[partition] would guarantee that the Palestine problem would be permanent and still more complicated in the future...”

“...[proposals for partition] are in definite contravention to various principles laid down in the [uN] Charter as well as to principles on which American concepts of Government are based. These proposals, for instance, ignore such principles as self-determination and majority rule. They recognize the principle of a theocratic racial state and even go so far in several instances as to discriminate on grounds of religion and race...”

President Harry Truman, however, ignored this advice. Truman’s political advisor, Clark Clifford, believed that the Jewish vote and contributions were essential to winning the upcoming presidential election, and that supporting the partition plan would garner that support.

Truman’s Secretary of State George Marshall, the renowned World War II General and author of the Marshall Plan, was furious to see electoral considerations taking precedence over policies based on national interest. He condemned what he called a “transparent dodge to win a few votes,” which would cause “[t]he great dignity of the office of President [to be] seriously diminished.”

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a87_1383098197

Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see how that liveleak link debunks the video. It just shows a live, unedited video of people setting up fake "corpses", as in the original link I posted.