A pregnant, suicidal rape victim fought Ireland's new abortion law. The law won

[_Simpson_ 250]

Let's review. Forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term by the force of law.

Nope, not wrong, immoral or unethical at all

Whats wrong with aborting a late term baby? Nothing wrong there? It can feel pain. The only things that is going to change is location. You want to speak about won person here. I know I know you hang hat on well its still technically part of the body, good grief. There has to be a better argument than that.

Just keep calling it a form of slavery and this issue will surely go away.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I haven't jumped in, I've been reading for a while. I wanted to explain that very few laws "force" us to do anything, but rather we are compelled by threat of fines, incarceration, community disapprobation, etc. When something is removed -- like quaaludes -- then we are legitimately "forced" not to do something. I think you don't really understand what I was getting at. When a robbery suspect is caught with property, the property is removed from him or her, but the law prohibiting robbery did not not prevent the robbery happening in the first place.

[PantomimeGoose 59]

It is just about the woman. No one can force you to donate your bodily tissue even to save the life of another fully living breathing loving functioning grown human person. Would it be moral if they were able to?

[_Simpson_ 250]

But that's just the issue: you're assigning 'responsibility' to a woman for her 'mistake'.

The 'mistake' perhaps being contraceptive failure or rape?

Let's face it, men are not the ones faced with the financial, physical, and emotional costs of bearing and raising a child in non-family settings. Even if an absent father is paying child support, the lifestyle change, the 'responsibility' for the crime of having had sex falls disproportionately on a single mother.

And re adoption: Our foster system is full of disabled, drug-addicted, and abused minority children (I looked into adopting). 'Oh, shucky-darn, but in a perfect world....'

Everyone know the risks of using contraceptives. The individual took the risk and the baby should not pay the price. That is an example of taking responsibility.

Like I said rape is the exception to the rule, I do not support a blanket ban.

You like other are just jumping with no idea where I stand on this issue. I have said medical issues is a factor.

It is not just full of drug addicted children. You will have to wait years.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

A classic: You wake up confused, not sure where you are. A nurse appears and tells you that you have been in a giant car accident. A famous violinist was also in this car accident, and needs to be connected to another person for 9 months or he will die. Because you were a match to their blood type, you have been selected to sustain the violinist. The violinist is beloved and a genius and the whole world will be sad if he dies.

Is this correct?

[_Simpson_ 250]

I haven't jumped in, I've been reading for a while. I wanted to explain that very few laws "force" us to do anything, but rather we are compelled by threat of fines, incarceration, community disapprobation, etc. When something is removed -- like quaaludes -- then we are legitimately "forced" not to do something. I think you don't really understand what I was getting at. When a robbery suspect is caught with property, the property is removed from him or her, but the law prohibiting robbery did not not prevent the robbery happening in the first place.

You used something I said earlier in wrong context. It was obvious you did not know where I stand. Maybe you were skipping my posts.

Laws need to be enforced to try and prevent laws from being broken. In both situations law enforcement would have to get involved

Most late term abortions are not allowed. It is for a good reason.

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Whats wrong with aborting a late term baby? Nothing wrong there? It can feel pain. The only things that is going to change is location. You want to speak about won person here. I know I know you hang hat on well its still technically part of the body, good grief. There has to be a better argument than that.

Just keep calling it a form of slavery and this issue will surely go away.

There isn't a better argument. The fetus is dependent on the mother for life support until it is at term. If the woman doesn't want that process to continue, it's her choice, it has to be. You can't legislate to force women to keep a pregnancy they don't want, that's not right, whatever you feel about abortion.

Late term abortion (of a viable fetus) is exceedingly rare, if it happens at all.

[PantomimeGoose 59]

Everyone know the risks of using contraceptives. The individual took the risk and the baby should not pay the price. That is an example of taking responsibility.

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It's forcing *one party* to take life-long responsibility, which is why the 'slavery' argument keeps popping up. It's like arguing that if you're a careful driver but are in a no-fault car wreck one party should go without medical assistance for their injuries and spend the rest of their life with a disability because 'they knew the risks of driving'.

[decocker 7,198]

You used something I said earlier in wrong context. It was obvious you did not know where I stand. Maybe you were skipping my posts.

after reading all your posts, i don't think you know where you stand. maybe it's time for a time out.

[_Simpson_ 250]

There isn't a better argument. The fetus is dependent on the mother for life support until it is at term. If the woman doesn't want that process to continue, it's her choice, it has to be. You can't legislate to force women to keep a pregnancy they don't want, that's not right, whatever you feel about abortion.

Late term abortion (of a viable fetus) is exceedingly rare, if it happens at all.

Sure there is and that is why this issue will never go away. It isn't all about the woman.

It is very rare. I am very thankful for that.

after reading all your posts, i don't think you know where you stand. maybe it's time for a time out.

I know exactly where I stand, I have put a lot of though into this issue.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dude it IS all about the woman. I get that you don't like it, but it doesn't change the fundamental fact that the woman's body is the key part of the equation for a viable birth.

It's rare because it is done for very serious medical reasons, such as if the child has catastrophic defects.

[_Simpson_ 250]

It's forcing *one party* to take life-long responsibility, which is why the 'slavery' argument keeps popping up. It's like arguing that if you're a careful driver but are in a no-fault car wreck one party should go without medical assistance for their injuries and spend the rest of their life with a disability because 'they knew the risks of driving'.

Forcing or taking responsibility for their mistake? Why should the unborn baby pay the price? Why should the well being of the baby not matter if the mother says no. Her reasons could be horrible? Why is this not considered in the decision?

You are going to start with the slavery argument too. Good grief its not slavery or murder. It is a complex issue that most pro-choice people want a blanket ban on.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Dude it IS all about the woman. I get that you don't like it, but it doesn't change the fundamental fact that the woman's body is the key part of the equation for a viable birth.

She is the key part but not the only part. She should never be able trump any situation that arises.

It's rare because it is done for very serious medical reasons, such as if the child has catastrophic defects.

Well yes but morality played into it too. Hard to turn the other cheek when you have late term baby in front of you. So would you support late term abortions that had no extreme issue tied to it? Lets say she changed her mind and didn't want to take on the responsibility.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

You used something I said earlier in wrong context. It was obvious you did not know where I stand. Maybe you were skipping my posts.

Laws need to be enforced to try and prevent laws from being broken. In both situations law enforcement would have to get involved

Most late term abortions are not allowed. It is for a good reason.

Right, you don't understand what I'm talking about. Moving on.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Right, you don't understand what I'm talking about. Moving on.

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