20 Year Old Executed by Police, Allegedly for Wearing Headphones, Unable to Hear Orders

[Karee 4,190]

No that's not what I'm saying at all. What I wrote wasn't even close to this. If you want to spout off on your tangent, just do it. There's no need to distort my statement in a way that makes it fit your agenda.

When you post an overtly vague statement and then refuse to clarify it, I'm left trying to figure out the intent of your statement. If you'd like to do away with the generalizations and post something more specific, then have at it.

[Karee 4,190]

And that's where you slipped. This would be relevant if the person that was killed was shot during a criminal act. Because Michael Brown wasn't a criminal. He didn't have a record. And there are plenty of crimes that white people commit at a higher rate than black people. The murder rate is higher, but on the rest of the criminal scale, white people are way ahead.

How is that a slip? As I've pointed out like 1000 times here based on facts from FBI statistics, black people commit way more crimes when compared to their percentage of the population. That's just facts. Now you can debate why that is, but it doesn't make it any less factual.

So are you saying that it's ok to be punished for other people's actions because they share the same skin color as you?

Please point out where I said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

How is that a slip? As I've pointed out like 1000 times here based on facts from FBI statistics, black people commit way more crimes when compared to their percentage of the population. That's just facts. Now you can debate why that is, but it doesn't make it any less factual.

Please point out where I said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

"People of color also commit more crimes than white folks do, yet if those facts are brought to light, it's somehow racist."

How is this relevant if the person whose killed wasn't committing a crime or didn't have a criminal record?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

Take a good look. The only categories black people lead in are Murder and non negligent manslaughter, Robbery, and Gambling. That's three categories out of 30. So your black people commit more crimes than white folks statement is inaccurate. White people lead in every single category except those three but this is ignored to focus on the murder rate.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Su and Marvin

[Karee 4,190]

"People of color also commit more crimes than white folks do, yet if those facts are brought to light, it's somehow racist."

How is this relevant if the person whose killed wasn't committing a crime or didn't have a criminal record?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

Take a good look. The only categories black people lead in are Murder and non negligent manslaughter, Robbery, and Gambling. That's three categories out of 30. So your black people commit more crimes than white folks statement is inaccurate. White people lead in every single category except those three but this is ignored to focus on the murder rate.

Jesus. We've been over this 1000 times. Black people make up 13% of the population, yet they account for almost 50% of the murders and 28% of the total crimes.

[Hotter Otter 1,211]

"People of color also commit more crimes than white folks do, yet if those facts are brought to light, it's somehow racist."

How is this relevant if the person whose killed wasn't committing a crime or didn't have a criminal record?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

Take a good look. The only categories black people lead in are Murder and non negligent manslaughter, Robbery, and Gambling. That's three categories out of 30. So your black people commit more crimes than white folks statement is inaccurate. White people lead in every single category except those three but this is ignored to focus on the murder rate.

Well that would be relevant if there were an equal number of black and white people in the US...

[Teddy B 17,252]

When you post an overtly vague statement and then refuse to clarify it, I'm left trying to figure out the intent of your statement. If you'd like to do away with the generalizations and post something more specific, then have at it.

My post wasn't vague at all. It was straightforward and to the point. You chose to read things into it that simply weren't written. I saud absolutely nothing about blacks committing crimes, nor did I insinuate anything about the white kid's background or upbringing. Your reply was way off base in regards to what I wrote, and I think you knew that going in.

How you could logically make the leap from this:

I think that people of color in lower income neighborhoods, fall victim to this sort of thing much more often than white folks do, which is probably the main reason for the difference in the outrage between the two.

To this, is beyond me.

So I think what you're saying is that this dead kid would've gotten more attention if he were black simply because black people tend to come from lower income neighborhoods, despite the fact the kid in this story may have come from a low income neighborhood himself. People of color also commit more crimes than white folks do, yet if those facts are brought to light, it's somehow racist.

I think I got it now. It's only ok to bring race into the conversation when a minority is the victim. However, if you bring race into the conversation when the person committing the crime is a minority, than that's out of bounds.

Yay for equality!

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Jesus. We've been over this 1000 times. Black people make up 13% of the population, yet they account for almost 50% of the murders and 28% of the total crimes.

But according to the numbers, white people still commit the majority of the crimes. Why is this ignored? Total crimes by whites: 6,502,919 Total crime by blacks: 2,640,067. The numbers are higher because blacks are way more likely to live in poverty, not to mention all the other disadvantages we have to face(lower pay, a justice system that favors whites way more than blacks and hispanics, etc).

My whole point is, your black people commit more crime is irrelevant when a black person is killed and no crime was being committed and they had no record. There's no excuse for it. It's racist because it has no bearing on the case of a black person being killed and there wasn't a crime.

Well that would be relevant if there were an equal number of black and white people in the US...

Truth. But as I said before, if the black person in question wasn't a criminal and wasn't in the course of a criminal act, that line of thinking has absolutely no bearing in said case.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

If the kid was black, NB would be singing a different tune. He'd not call him a kid but a thug, for starters.

Yes.. But so would you..

There is near zero national media coverage here, no limos pulling up with fancy dressed men to lead demonstrations.. No posts listing all the other white victims that were shot and received no justice or other posts about how the media was not being fair and balanced in the coverage.

My initial thoughts (which may turn out to be wrong) on this are that the kid probably had an attitude the size of the Hindenburg and displayed it to the police got himself shot. I would not share that initial thought if he was black because I would be labeled a racist.

By the way: It does not excuse the police - Being a t*rd and giving attitude should not get you shot. NB had a very well worded post the other day about how this issue would be better served if the racial aspect was removed.

Edited August 14, 2014 by OnMyWayID

[Hotter Otter 1,211]

Does anyone know the statistics for how many unarmed people (I don't care about the race) are shot by the police every year in the US?

[cappucino boy 29]

Yes.. But so would you..

There is near zero national media coverage here, no limos pulling up with fancy dressed men to lead demonstrations.. No posts listing all the other white victims that were shot and received no justice or other posts about how the media was not being fair and balanced in the coverage.

My initial thoughts (which may turn out to be wrong) on this are that the kid probably had an attitude the size of the Hindenburg and displayed it to the police got himself shot. I would not share that initial thought if he was black because I would be labeled a racist.

By the way: It does not excuse the police - Being a t*rd and giving attitude should not get you shot. NB had a very well worded post the other day about how this issue would be better served if the racial aspect was removed.

In looking over the news during the last week it appears not just being young and black can get you killed when dealing with police but it seems you just have to be young. Frankly I'm losing my confidence in our police forces. I know it's dangerous out there but most of these incidents do seem as though police are over reacting in the situation. I think the thing to remember there are still all those officers who are sworn to protect and serve their communities that are doing a good job. It still comes down to a few isolated incidents that are reported by the media. Perhaps we should blame them!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes.. But so would you..

There is near zero national media coverage here, no limos pulling up with fancy dressed men to lead demonstrations.. No posts listing all the other white victims that were shot and received no justice or other posts about how the media was not being fair and balanced in the coverage.

My initial thoughts (which may turn out to be wrong) on this are that the kid probably had an attitude the size of the Hindenburg and displayed it to the police got himself shot. I would not share that initial thought if he was black because I would be labeled a racist.

By the way: It does not excuse the police - Being a t*rd and giving attitude should not get you shot. NB had a very well worded post the other day about how this issue would be better served if the racial aspect was removed.

I would? How do you come to that conclusion? I don't think I have commented on the other incident either. Generally speaking, I don't find myself trampling on the victims graves regardless of the color of their skin. That cannot be said about others around here - NB included.

[Boiler 45,478]

His picture, just released.

The son Obama would have had if he was white.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Does anyone know the statistics for how many unarmed people (I don't care about the race) are shot by the police every year in the US?

I don't think such a statistic exists. I tried looking. It's very rare (a couple a year?), but not rare enough. You'd have to add in other types of deaths, not just guns too, like the guy in NY who was choked to death in a choke hold recently.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I would? How do you come to that conclusion? I don't think I have commented on the other incident either. Generally speaking, I don't find myself trampling on the victims graves regardless of the color of their skin. That cannot be said about others around here - NB included.

I came to that conclusion reading your words in this thread.. Or do you post about how whites are ignored and accuse those posting about black victims having a different tune in the other threads? I must have missed that.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Well, you seem to be much more tolerant of that concept when the victim isn't white.

I was applying the same logic, to this case, many of you applied to the TM case. I think a persons past behavior does come into play. Oddly some of the same cast of characters did not seem to have a problem with it here.

It's called hypocritical exposure by analogy

Good point. However, that didn't stop the 24/7 news coverage for TM, and the outrage. Where's the outrage for this guy?

That was kind of my point. Thanks

You never hear national outrage when white homeless men are shot in the back, or in this case. Of course that issue is not the fault of black people. They defend their own. Can't fault them for that, but you can for the burning and looting

If memory serves me correctly, TM's criminal history and character were major issues for you in the deciding factor of justifying the actions of GZ. Why does that change for a white kid?

and if memory serves me correct you were outraged. Why not in this case.