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Hi VJers

I am in quite a unique employment situation and it's a bit hard to figure out what I should be doing in regards to tax.

I started working in May, after receiving my EAD, on a project for a US company. I wasn't employed directly by the company, but instead through a staffing agency in California, with which I filed a W-4.

That's the straightforward bit.

Last month the US company moved us to a staffing agency based in Europe as independent contractors. Payment is on invoice, and is made as a wire transfer to my bank account. Being a European company, there is obviously no tax withheld.

Does anyone here know what my tax obligations might be? I can only seem to find info on US Citizens earning income in this manner, or at a stretch resident aliens. I can never quite work out if I am a resident alien for tax purposes yet, as my AOS is still in progress and I don't yet have a green card.

Sincerely,

V. confused!

2013 7/15 I-129F sent, 7/18 received Dallas lockbox, 7/22 NOA1, 10/22 NOA2, 11/15 NVC Case Created, 11/20 NVC Shipped, 11/25 Consulate received, 11/28 Packet 3 received/returned, 11/29 Medical, 12/9 Packet 4 received

2014 1/9 Interview - Approved, 1/15 CEAC - Issued, 1/17 Visa in hand, 2/5 POE: LAX, 4/4 Married!, 4/8 AOS/EAD/AP filed, 4/14 NOA1, 5/7 Walk-in biometrics, 5/19 EAD/AP approved (expedited), 5/22 EAD/AP mailed, 5/23 EAD/AP received, 7/29 Interview waiver letter

2015 4/13 AOS approved (no interview), 4/22 Green card received

2017 1/17 I-751 ROC filed (VSC), 1/23 NOA, 2/28 Biometrics

2018 1/31 ROC approved

2020 1/14 N400 filed

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Your self-employment income is U.S. sourced income and is subject to U.S. taxation. See Internal Revenue Code Section 861(a)(3). Here is a link to the code section: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/861

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Thank you. What I'm wondering on a practical level is how I deal with this income, given there is nothing against my social security # and there'll be no 1099 issued.

I've never dealt with taxes here before so I'm not sure at what point I report the income, and how much tax is payable on it, etc. I really have no idea of my obligations. I plan on paying an accountant when it's time to file my 2014 tax, but not sure if there's steps I need to take before that?

Thank you for your help

2013 7/15 I-129F sent, 7/18 received Dallas lockbox, 7/22 NOA1, 10/22 NOA2, 11/15 NVC Case Created, 11/20 NVC Shipped, 11/25 Consulate received, 11/28 Packet 3 received/returned, 11/29 Medical, 12/9 Packet 4 received

2014 1/9 Interview - Approved, 1/15 CEAC - Issued, 1/17 Visa in hand, 2/5 POE: LAX, 4/4 Married!, 4/8 AOS/EAD/AP filed, 4/14 NOA1, 5/7 Walk-in biometrics, 5/19 EAD/AP approved (expedited), 5/22 EAD/AP mailed, 5/23 EAD/AP received, 7/29 Interview waiver letter

2015 4/13 AOS approved (no interview), 4/22 Green card received

2017 1/17 I-751 ROC filed (VSC), 1/23 NOA, 2/28 Biometrics

2018 1/31 ROC approved

2020 1/14 N400 filed

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My high level plan is basically to put away 30% off my income in a savings account until tax time, and hope that roughly covers what is due. I'm not sure if that's too little or too much, or whether I should be paying the IRS at some other point in time, though.

2013 7/15 I-129F sent, 7/18 received Dallas lockbox, 7/22 NOA1, 10/22 NOA2, 11/15 NVC Case Created, 11/20 NVC Shipped, 11/25 Consulate received, 11/28 Packet 3 received/returned, 11/29 Medical, 12/9 Packet 4 received

2014 1/9 Interview - Approved, 1/15 CEAC - Issued, 1/17 Visa in hand, 2/5 POE: LAX, 4/4 Married!, 4/8 AOS/EAD/AP filed, 4/14 NOA1, 5/7 Walk-in biometrics, 5/19 EAD/AP approved (expedited), 5/22 EAD/AP mailed, 5/23 EAD/AP received, 7/29 Interview waiver letter

2015 4/13 AOS approved (no interview), 4/22 Green card received

2017 1/17 I-751 ROC filed (VSC), 1/23 NOA, 2/28 Biometrics

2018 1/31 ROC approved

2020 1/14 N400 filed

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There are many self-employed situations where no 1099 is issued and nothing was reported

to IRS about your income, but in most situations you are required to file tax.

I would check with the tax accountant and start the US life clean.

A quick 15 to 30 minute consultation could be free to about $100.

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12-19-2013 USCIS NOA #1 (text and email) received

12-24-2013 USCIS assigns Alien Registration Number
12-31-2013 USCIS NOA #1 hard copy received
06-02-2014 USCIS web site shows NOA #2 approval
06-06-2014 USCIS web site shows case sent to NVC

06-xx-2014 Fiancee acquired birth, marriage, and police certificates from local police station (wrong)

06-16-2014 NVC creates case with GUZ### number

06-19-2014 NVC sends case sent to Guangzhou, China
06-24-2014 Received packet 3 express mail from embassy
06-25-2014 Completed DS-160 and paid K1 visa fee

06-26-2014 Mailed packet 3 response back to Embassy

06-26-2014 Requested police certificate from Russian embassy

07-08-2014 Received packet 4 email from Embassy

07-17-2014 Picked up Russian police certificate

07-25-2014 Fiancee medical exam (received MMR & Varicella, but they missed required TD shot)

07-31-2014 Picked up medical exam reports

08-01-2014 Request (correct) birth, marriage, and police certificates from Notarial Service (GongZhengChu)

08-06-2014 Picked up birth, marriage, and police certificates from Notarial Service

08-14-2014 Passed Interview Guangzhou embassy

09-01-2014 Received passport, visa, & sealed envelope

09-13-2014 POE

09-17-2014 Went to CBP office to get (US entry) I-94 updated correctly

09-18-2014 Applied for Social Security Card
09-19-2014 Applied for Marriage License (via online)
09-25-2014 Received Social Security Card
09-30-2014 Picked up Marriage License
10-09-2014 Marriage by Justice of Peace
10-09-2014 Got Certified Marriage Certificate Copies
10-17-2014 Received a letter from SS office that they need the marriage license
10-09-2014 Applied to change the social security card name
10-24-2014 Went back to SS office to provide the marriage certificate documents again!!!
12-09-2014 Submitted AOS, EAD, and AP
12-16-2014 Received 16 emails and 16 text NOA messages
01-05-2015 Received Biometrics appointment letter for (01-12-2015)
01-12-2015 Had Biometrics (fingerprint & picture) - Required Marriage Certificate!!!
02-17-2015 EAD and AP is approved
02-23-2015 Received AP is approval letter
02-25-2015 Received EAD/AP combo card (expires 02/16/2016)
02-27-2015 Applied for SS card name change (they took her SS card)
02-27-2015 Driver's learner permit test was denied since the SS card was given to SS office for name change
03-17-2015 Received SS card with married name
03-17-2015 Started to change all her accounts to married name
03-23-2015 Received potential interview waiver letter
03-27-2015 DMV rejects learner's permit due to "legal status=pending" and vision test failure
04-05-2015 Vision test for learner's permit
04-06-2015 DPS sent us letter that DHS cleared my wife's status to acquire driver's license.
04-10-2015 Passed Driver Learner's Permit
04-22-2015 Received Driver Learner's Permit ID card (expires 02/16/2016)
08-27-2015 Green Card approved
08-31-2015 Received Green Card "Welcome Notice Was Mailed" letter
09-05-2015 Received Green card
10-26-2015 Passed Driver's License Road Test (on 3rd attempt)
11-03-2015 Received Driver's License (expires 02/16/2022)
11-06-2015 Applied to remove conditional work remark on SS card
11-23-2015 Received updated Social Security Card.
- - - - - - - - - - Pending Future Processing - - - - - - - - - -
05-27-2017 File 10 Year Green Card
08-27-2017 2 Year Green Card Expires
05-27-2018 File USC

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Yep, I know I am required to file tax. People may have the wrong idea about my question - I'm not trying to avoid paying taxes (quite the opposite -I am very ideologically opposed to tax avoidance) but having never filed taxes here before, I am really confused about which forms I am supposed to file and when I am supposed to do it. I.e. I don't know if there's some self employed equivalent form to the W-4 that I need to file ahead of tax time.

You are right, it seems like the best thing to do up front will be to talk to an accountant, so I'll get that underway.

Thanks!

2013 7/15 I-129F sent, 7/18 received Dallas lockbox, 7/22 NOA1, 10/22 NOA2, 11/15 NVC Case Created, 11/20 NVC Shipped, 11/25 Consulate received, 11/28 Packet 3 received/returned, 11/29 Medical, 12/9 Packet 4 received

2014 1/9 Interview - Approved, 1/15 CEAC - Issued, 1/17 Visa in hand, 2/5 POE: LAX, 4/4 Married!, 4/8 AOS/EAD/AP filed, 4/14 NOA1, 5/7 Walk-in biometrics, 5/19 EAD/AP approved (expedited), 5/22 EAD/AP mailed, 5/23 EAD/AP received, 7/29 Interview waiver letter

2015 4/13 AOS approved (no interview), 4/22 Green card received

2017 1/17 I-751 ROC filed (VSC), 1/23 NOA, 2/28 Biometrics

2018 1/31 ROC approved

2020 1/14 N400 filed

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Yep, I know I am required to file tax. People may have the wrong idea about my question - I'm not trying to avoid paying taxes (quite the opposite -I am very ideologically opposed to tax avoidance) but having never filed taxes here before, I am really confused about which forms I am supposed to file and when I am supposed to do it. I.e. I don't know if there's some self employed equivalent form to the W-4 that I need to file ahead of tax time.

You are right, it seems like the best thing to do up front will be to talk to an accountant, so I'll get that underway.

Thanks!

Yes, a quick consultation with tax accountant will save you big headache down the line.

I have been filing my own tax for 30 years. Nowadays, it is simpler to do using the tax software

such as Turbo Tax or H&R Block tax software. They are about $30 to $100.

These software walks you through the tax processing like interview and it fills in the correct forms.

That said, I think going through the tax accountant for at least first year and once you learn

how things are done, you can revert to tax software.

Good luck.

10-04-2013 We met online
11-21-2013 We met in person in Shanghai for 2 weeks

12-13-2013 I-129F packet sent via express

12-19-2013 USCIS NOA #1 (text and email) received

12-24-2013 USCIS assigns Alien Registration Number
12-31-2013 USCIS NOA #1 hard copy received
06-02-2014 USCIS web site shows NOA #2 approval
06-06-2014 USCIS web site shows case sent to NVC

06-xx-2014 Fiancee acquired birth, marriage, and police certificates from local police station (wrong)

06-16-2014 NVC creates case with GUZ### number

06-19-2014 NVC sends case sent to Guangzhou, China
06-24-2014 Received packet 3 express mail from embassy
06-25-2014 Completed DS-160 and paid K1 visa fee

06-26-2014 Mailed packet 3 response back to Embassy

06-26-2014 Requested police certificate from Russian embassy

07-08-2014 Received packet 4 email from Embassy

07-17-2014 Picked up Russian police certificate

07-25-2014 Fiancee medical exam (received MMR & Varicella, but they missed required TD shot)

07-31-2014 Picked up medical exam reports

08-01-2014 Request (correct) birth, marriage, and police certificates from Notarial Service (GongZhengChu)

08-06-2014 Picked up birth, marriage, and police certificates from Notarial Service

08-14-2014 Passed Interview Guangzhou embassy

09-01-2014 Received passport, visa, & sealed envelope

09-13-2014 POE

09-17-2014 Went to CBP office to get (US entry) I-94 updated correctly

09-18-2014 Applied for Social Security Card
09-19-2014 Applied for Marriage License (via online)
09-25-2014 Received Social Security Card
09-30-2014 Picked up Marriage License
10-09-2014 Marriage by Justice of Peace
10-09-2014 Got Certified Marriage Certificate Copies
10-17-2014 Received a letter from SS office that they need the marriage license
10-09-2014 Applied to change the social security card name
10-24-2014 Went back to SS office to provide the marriage certificate documents again!!!
12-09-2014 Submitted AOS, EAD, and AP
12-16-2014 Received 16 emails and 16 text NOA messages
01-05-2015 Received Biometrics appointment letter for (01-12-2015)
01-12-2015 Had Biometrics (fingerprint & picture) - Required Marriage Certificate!!!
02-17-2015 EAD and AP is approved
02-23-2015 Received AP is approval letter
02-25-2015 Received EAD/AP combo card (expires 02/16/2016)
02-27-2015 Applied for SS card name change (they took her SS card)
02-27-2015 Driver's learner permit test was denied since the SS card was given to SS office for name change
03-17-2015 Received SS card with married name
03-17-2015 Started to change all her accounts to married name
03-23-2015 Received potential interview waiver letter
03-27-2015 DMV rejects learner's permit due to "legal status=pending" and vision test failure
04-05-2015 Vision test for learner's permit
04-06-2015 DPS sent us letter that DHS cleared my wife's status to acquire driver's license.
04-10-2015 Passed Driver Learner's Permit
04-22-2015 Received Driver Learner's Permit ID card (expires 02/16/2016)
08-27-2015 Green Card approved
08-31-2015 Received Green Card "Welcome Notice Was Mailed" letter
09-05-2015 Received Green card
10-26-2015 Passed Driver's License Road Test (on 3rd attempt)
11-03-2015 Received Driver's License (expires 02/16/2022)
11-06-2015 Applied to remove conditional work remark on SS card
11-23-2015 Received updated Social Security Card.
- - - - - - - - - - Pending Future Processing - - - - - - - - - -
05-27-2017 File 10 Year Green Card
08-27-2017 2 Year Green Card Expires
05-27-2018 File USC

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Yes, a quick consultation with tax accountant will save you big headache down the line.

I have been filing my own tax for 30 years. Nowadays, it is simpler to do using the tax software

such as Turbo Tax or H&R Block tax software. They are about $30 to $100.

These software walks you through the tax processing like interview and it fills in the correct forms.

That said, I think going through the tax accountant for at least first year and once you learn

how things are done, you can revert to tax software.

Good luck.

Sage advice, thank you. That's exactly what I'll do.

2013 7/15 I-129F sent, 7/18 received Dallas lockbox, 7/22 NOA1, 10/22 NOA2, 11/15 NVC Case Created, 11/20 NVC Shipped, 11/25 Consulate received, 11/28 Packet 3 received/returned, 11/29 Medical, 12/9 Packet 4 received

2014 1/9 Interview - Approved, 1/15 CEAC - Issued, 1/17 Visa in hand, 2/5 POE: LAX, 4/4 Married!, 4/8 AOS/EAD/AP filed, 4/14 NOA1, 5/7 Walk-in biometrics, 5/19 EAD/AP approved (expedited), 5/22 EAD/AP mailed, 5/23 EAD/AP received, 7/29 Interview waiver letter

2015 4/13 AOS approved (no interview), 4/22 Green card received

2017 1/17 I-751 ROC filed (VSC), 1/23 NOA, 2/28 Biometrics

2018 1/31 ROC approved

2020 1/14 N400 filed

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Hi VJers

I am in quite a unique employment situation and it's a bit hard to figure out what I should be doing in regards to tax.

I started working in May, after receiving my EAD, on a project for a US company. I wasn't employed directly by the company, but instead through a staffing agency in California, with which I filed a W-4.

That's the straightforward bit.

Last month the US company moved us to a staffing agency based in Europe as independent contractors. Payment is on invoice, and is made as a wire transfer to my bank account. Being a European company, there is obviously no tax withheld.

Does anyone here know what my tax obligations might be? I can only seem to find info on US Citizens earning income in this manner, or at a stretch resident aliens. I can never quite work out if I am a resident alien for tax purposes yet, as my AOS is still in progress and I don't yet have a green card.

Sincerely,

V. confused!

Assuming a lot since I don't know your entire history or income--

You will file a joint tax return with your spouse for 2014 tax year. That means your tax obligation is his tax obligation. The IRS does not like taxpayers to pay their entire tax bill at the end when filing. They slap on a penalty if you (jointly) owe too much.

A self-employed person normally makes quarterly estimated tax payments because there is no withholding by an employer. It is the way you do your own withholding for tax, social security, and Medicare. There is no reason why you can't pay in estimated tax payments right now using your name and SSN on a Form 1040-ES. The form is little more than a payment slip to accompany your check. The due dates are:

For the period: .....Due date:

Jan. 11 March 31 .....April 15

April 1 May 31 ....June 16

June 1 August 31 .....September 15

Sept. 1 Dec. 31 ....Janurary 15 next year

There is also now an electronic way to pay in I think, and more often than quarterly. I don't know the details. I still mail a quarterly check.

For filing taxes next year, a Schedule SE will calculate your self employment tax. (easy to remember SE...Self Employed). It is called self-employment tax, but really it is your Social Security and Medicare contributions. When a person has an employer, half of this obligation is paid by the employer and the other half comes out of the paycheck. When you are self-employed, you are responsible for the employer and employee part...ALL of it. But the IRS does give you a break and you can deduct some of the self-employment tax when you file the return.

0n another topic--

Even if you don't get a 1099, the IRS (or Turbo Tax) will ask you "Did you earn any wages not reported on a 1099"? They always have a way for you to report wages. if you are honest, you report them and you have indicated you will. I just wanted to point out they can easily be reported on a tax return.

Here's an IRS page on paying estimated taxes http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Estimated-Taxes

And this http://www.irs.gov/publications/p505/ch02.html#d0e6371

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