Travel to Israel and entry refusials in MENA

[Henia 11]

Thanks very much MK for the info. Very helpful... we will check with the DZ embassy for further info regarding my husband, but he cannot get a visa the trip will have to delayed.

My question if they would notice, was referring to.. if I traveled this say this year, got the stamp... but then got a new passport after it expired, then applied for a visa to Algerie... would they still know I went to Israel ... or not?

Thanks again!

[chris4336 3]

I think I read somewhere that Algeria does not recognize Isreal's official status as a country, therefore any stamp or mark in your passport from Isreal is considered by their government as "tampering" with your passport, and renders the passport invalid in their eyes. So I would think that with new, fresh passport there would be no problem. But please don't take my word for this, I think I read this in one of the Lonely Planet books about Algeria last year.

If you get to go it sounds like an awesome trip.

[MrsAmera 41]

Is it possible to have 2 valid US passports at any given time? Just curious as it would save a lot of problems like this one when they come up....

[wildroze22 0]

as i said before, my grandfather used to hold two vaild us passports. if the us deems it necissary for an individual for safety reasons or whatever, then yes.

but ive got no idea how one goes about that, or i theyll do it except for in major instances

[Boiler 45,538]

No idea about the US, but certainly the UK issues 2 passports for these very reasons. To be precise to anybody demonstrating a need, this being the obvious one. They are seperate passports with different numbers.

Used to be at no cost, I doubt if that is the case now.

Probably could also get one if you wanted to visit Cuba....

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

No idea about the US, but certainly the UK issues 2 passports for these very reasons. To be precise to anybody demonstrating a need, this being the obvious one. They are seperate passports with different numbers.

Used to be at no cost, I doubt if that is the case now.

Probably could also get one if you wanted to visit Cuba....

In most cases, a U.S. citizen may hold only 1 valid U.S. passport at a time.

However, there is a provision in U.S. passport law (titled 7 FAM 1314.2) that allows for a second, limited 2-year passport to be issued in certain cases. Most of these involve travel between Israel and countries that bar persons with Israeli stamps in their passports.

You have to make a second application, pay a second fee, etc., and give a written explanation of why you need it. This limited passport can also be extended for an additional 2 years.

See more about it here:

http://foia.state.gov/masterdocs/07fam/07m1310.pdf - beginning on page 18.

Henia -- I don't think Algerian immigration will know you that visited Israel *unless* you show them a passport with an Israeli stamp in it. If you get a new passport, only the U.S. and Israeli governments will know about your history of travel to Israel. (Unless Algeria has some suspicion of you -- then they might have a reason to try to somehow dig up this info. Of course I don't know you personally, but somehow I doubt this would be the case.)

-MK

[Henia 11]

No idea about the US, but certainly the UK issues 2 passports for these very reasons. To be precise to anybody demonstrating a need, this being the obvious one. They are seperate passports with different numbers.

Used to be at no cost, I doubt if that is the case now.

Probably could also get one if you wanted to visit Cuba....

In most cases, a U.S. citizen may hold only 1 valid U.S. passport at a time.

However, there is a provision in U.S. passport law (titled 7 FAM 1314.2) that allows for a second, limited 2-year passport to be issued in certain cases. Most of these involve travel between Israel and countries that bar persons with Israeli stamps in their passports.

You have to make a second application, pay a second fee, etc., and give a written explanation of why you need it. This limited passport can also be extended for an additional 2 years.

See more about it here:

http://foia.state.gov/masterdocs/07fam/07m1310.pdf - beginning on page 18.

Henia -- I don't think Algerian immigration will know you that visited Israel *unless* you show them a passport with an Israeli stamp in it. If you get a new passport, only the U.S. and Israeli governments will know about your history of travel to Israel. (Unless Algeria has some suspicion of you -- then they might have a reason to try to somehow dig up this info. Of course I don't know you personally, but somehow I doubt this would be the case.)

-MK

Thanks MK... nope I have a clean slate. No suspicious activity here. Just donnot want any added troubles you know.

[Mandolin_68 0]

I think this whole issue is such BS - why can't they all just get along??? My fiance and I were hassled everywhere we went since he is an Iraqi and I am American. We remained in Jordan the entire time but were stopped on our way to the Dead Sea, and then I wanted to go on to Israel and visit Jerusalem but they laughed at us when we tried to cross the border. So we continued on to the Red Sea at Aqaba and BARELY made it through the checkpoint on the way there. I had to convince the men with huge riffles that my Iraqi fiance was indeed NOT kidnapping me and heading to Aqaba to sell me into Al-Qeda slavery. But I guess it is just the way of the world right now.

[Boiler 45,538]

How much would he have got?

Just wondering.

I agree it is extremely sad, others have mentioned how tiny Israel is, you would have thought that they could just leave it.

Using a foreign source of resentment to hide your own failings to be fair is hardly new. Plenty of precedents.

However nothing is going to change soon, probably not in any of our lifetimes so you just have to deal with it.

Edited January 22, 2007 by Boiler

[Henia 11]

How much would he have got?

Just wondering.

Brutal

[Boiler 45,538]

Brutal? Well depends on the answer, big bucks and that could be taken as a major compliment. Small change and maybe it is.