Toursit Visa for Ukrainian girlfriend

[Boiler 45,486]

Nobody on this thread has told you to lie, where did you get that from?

[Jekt 0]

I didn't say people told me to lie, but it doesn't' seem like telling the complete truth is a good idea either.

Even with two solid supporting documents that she will return to Ukraine (proof of employment at respectable job, and masters degree program at best university in Ukraine) doesn't bear much weight on the issue.according to some.

At this point I feel like just saying to visit my boyfriend, meet his family, attend his best friends wedding seems like the logical thing to say.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Jekt

[RhettVoe 282]

Documents do not prove intent.

[RhettVoe 282]

and I have suggested that attempts to avoid telling the truth can easily backfire...evasiveness is often perceived as lying, and lying results in a quick denial, no matter what documents one has brought. The more one tries to conceal the true facts, the stronger the chance she will be denied.

I admit that telling the entire truth may result in a denial, there are no guarantees....but if she is caught trying to avoid telling the truth, the chances she will get a tourist visa in the near to moderate future will be somewhere around zero.

[Lelyze 49]

At my interview for B2 visa they asked me what's the purpose of the visit, I told them visiting my boyfriend. Then they asked of I am planning to get married, and I just said no. Then they asked if I work and for how many years. The answer was, yes for three years as an engineer, and I was approved. They didn't even ask for any documents, and the whole interview lasted about 5 minutes. Just tell her to be confident, there was a girl that had interview before me, who was so nervous and she was denied. So there is nothing to lose if you try. And even if she gets visa, she should be prepared for POE, because I saw few people from Ukraine who were taken to further questioning at the POE. Good luck

[Jekt 0]

At my interview for B2 visa they asked me what's the purpose of the visit, I told them visiting my boyfriend. Then they asked of I am planning to get married, and I just said no. Then they asked if I work and for how many years. The answer was, yes for three years as an engineer, and I was approved. They didn't even ask for any documents, and the whole interview lasted about 5 minutes. Just tell her to be confident, there was a girl that had interview before me, who was so nervous and she was denied. So there is nothing to lose if you try. And even if she gets visa, she should be prepared for POE, because I saw few people from Ukraine who were taken to further questioning at the POE. Good luck

Did they mean are you planning on getting married eventually or during your visit?

[Boiler 45,486]

Where was that said?

[MacUK 983]

Did they mean are you planning on getting married eventually or during your visit?

Something you should think about.

Are you thinking of marrying your girlfriend sometime in the near future and petitioning for her visa?

If yes then documents about jobs and education will mean nothing because clearly they wouldn't be much of a tie to her home country if she's planning on leaving there soon anyway.

If no then why would someone travel halfway round the world to see someone who's basically just a casual relationship without commitment.

Granted, you could be planning to marry many years in the future when her schooling is finished but you need to try to think objectively about how the COs look at things.

Their job is to presume that everyone is lying to them until that person can convince them that they're telling the truth.

Not an ideal system seeing how many people manage to convince them of their ties to home that they forget about as soon as they leave the airport whereas others who truly have no intention of immigrating get refused simply because they weren't convincing enough.

But it's what the system is and isn't likely to change any time soon.

You just have to put yourself in the COs position. You (hopefully) know your girlfriend well enough to know for certain that she's telling the truth. The CO has never met her before and doesn't know her at all, she has to convince a total stranger of her honest intentions bearing in mind that most of the decision has already been made before she steps up to the window.

Not impossible seeing as thousands of visas are approved every year, but not as easy as Hollywood likes to make out!

[Jekt 0]

I think we're just going to go with the truth.

"I'm going to visit my boyfriend and meet his family."

I was going to suggest as well that she mentions that I have already gone to kiev to meet her family and spend time with her twice this year. My thought process behind that is give them a sense of that it's not a bullshit relationship.

Yay or nay?

[jan22 3,053]

I think we're just going to go with the truth.

"I'm going to visit my boyfriend and meet his family."

I was going to suggest as well that she mentions that I have already gone to kiev to meet her family and spend time with her twice this year. My thought process behind that is give them a sense of that it's not a bullshit relationship.

Yay or nay?

IMO, you're over-thinking/planning this. The best thing to suggest is to respond truthfully to the questions she is asked, and try not to be too nervous -- visa officers know people are going to be nervous, but if somebody has been obsessing about what they "should" say and gets really nervous about remembering what they're supposed to say can come off as badly. Suggesting specific answers can make it look like she is lying/concealing something -- she might hesitate while thinking about what you suggested she say. That hesitation and apparent thought needed to answer a simple question such as "Why do you want to go to the US?" or "What are you planning to do while you're in the US?" can come off as preparing to lie.

[RhettVoe 282]

All true. Trying to recall a pre-written script will come off badly...trying to shove papers through the window often indicates desperation....and 'over-answering' questions (with far too much detail) can also give the impression that something is being hidden or concealed....not in every case, but since these interviews last less than 3 minutes on average, the COs don't have time to hold the hands of applicants for a half hour and listen to their life stories....they make rapid assessments, trying to gauge/judge the credibility of the applicant....sometimes they may ask for papers, but usually just to check on consistency of the answers given...(and to spot check for phony documents in some countries)..

[Lelyze 49]

He asked if I am planning to get married during my visit. I agree with jan22, you are overthinking. Just tell your girlfriend to be honest, confident, look them straight in the eyes, and just give short answers on their questions. You have nothing to lose if you try.

[blueniv 5]

If you ask me, having a job in Ukraine and being admitted to a masters program sound like solid reasons to return home after visiting the US. When asked why she wants to visit, she should just tell the truth and say she's attending a wedding and wants to meet her boyfriends family. Does she rent an apartment, own a car etc? That too can show ties to Ukraine.

[RhettVoe 282]

Cars cannot compel somebody to return....especially cars made in Eastern Europe. Apartments can be abandoned. Educational plans can be easily changed. And a job paying $400 a month doesn't sound all that compelling to me....again, if any of these so called ties were established by law to prove without doubt that somebody would return, they would be listed...but they aren't....for the simple reason that history has shown that countless millions of people have not been drawn back to their own country in spite of having any or all of the above...what matters is credibility....

[blueniv 5]

Cars cannot compel somebody to return....especially cars made in Eastern Europe. Apartments can be abandoned. Educational plans can be easily changed. And a job paying $400 a month doesn't sound all that compelling to me....again, if any of these so called ties were established by law to prove without doubt that somebody would return, they would be listed...but they aren't....for the simple reason that history has shown that countless millions of people have not been drawn back to their own country in spite of having any or all of the above...what matters is credibility....

Don't be such a naysayer, you always sound like no one ever should apply for a tourist visa because no one ever could ever prove that they'd return home and that COs will never ever believe you. Yet thousands of visas are granted every month. Stop scaring people.