Israel-Gaza conflict: What has Israel achieved in 26 bloody days?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There come the trolls.

You've been here all along.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Something I'm curious about. On the Israeli side there are very few casualties, yet lots of talk about the rocket attacks. But you never seem to see any photos about any destruction caused by the rockets, yet you do see whole neighbourhoods in Gaza reduced to rubble. Is it because the media isn't reporting on the damage to Israeli homes and property or maybe there isn't much destruction to speak of?

Edited August 18, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[Josh W 3]

Bernadott isn't the last one to learn a lesson from helping Israel though

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28814555

A Dutchman honoured by Israel for hiding a Jewish child during World War Two has handed back his medal after six of his relatives were killed in an Israeli air strike on Gaza.

Henk Zanoli, 91, wrote to the Israeli embassy in The Hague to say he could no longer hold the honour.

He said an Israeli F-16 had destroyed his great-niece's home in Gaza, killing all inside, in the recent offensive.

The Israeli embassy has declined to comment on Mr Zanoli's action.

'An insult'

Mr Zanoli and his mother were awarded the "Righteous Among the Nations" honour by Israel in 2011 for helping to shelter a Jewish child from the Nazis in their family home from 1943-45.

The award is accorded to non-Jews who risked their lives to protect and save Jews during the Holocaust.

However, Mr Zanoli said in a letter published by Israel's Haaretz newspaper that "to hold on to the honour granted to me by the State of Israel under these circumstances, would be an insult... to those in my family, four generations on, who lost no less than six of their relatives in Gaza."

"The great-great grandchildren of my mother have lost their grandmother, three uncles, an aunt and a cousin at the hands of the Israeli military," he wrote, referring to an air strike by the Israeli military on 20 July.

His great-niece is a Dutch diplomat who is married to Palestinian economist Ismail Ziadah, who was born in a refugee camp in central Gaza.

Mr Ziadah's mother, three brothers, a sister-in-law and nine-year-old nephew were all killed after their family home was hit by Israeli aircraft.

I have no doubt that the pilot celebrated, giggled, and high-fived after killing another 9-yr-old. All in the spirit of "encouraging the exodus"!

Old people often are loosing their mind.

Elen Thomas, Jimmy Carter etc.

[OriZ 3,157]

Something I'm curious about. On the Israeli side there are very few casualties, yet lots of talk about the rocket attacks. But you never seem to see any photos about any destruction caused by the rockets, yet you do see whole neighbourhoods in Gaza reduced to rubble. Is it because the media isn't reporting on the damage to Israeli homes and property or maybe there isn't much destruction to speak of?

It's the first option.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

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impending expulsionary expediton

[OriZ 3,157]

so tired of hearing about 'hating on jews'

NO ONE HERE IS HATING ON JEWS.

there come the trolls? seems to me you're trolling this thread hard. every time i log in, you're here and yet you're either posting about how you haven't the time to worry with 'jew haters' or posting walls of text and quipping anyone who comments on said walls of text.

In my comment about hating on Jews I wasn't talking about everyone but rather a very particular person that has proven on these pages that he has a problem with Jews, despite his claim that it is only against Israel. It's well documented in 32 pages. And there's no denying it now. Once he saw we were on to him, he decided to try and divert attention from himself and onto me instead by attempting to call me a liar. He realized he had like no credibility left here so decided to try and undermine mine - but anyone with some common sense can see through that, and those who don't - oh well. As far as my writing here goes - Believe it or not I work about 70 hours a week, most of my writing here is while working, which is why I'm allowed to get distracted at times - he takes that distraction and turns it into two pages of nonsense accusations - I think he needs some mental help. It's my duty to expose his nasty propaganda which is the only reason why I bother writing as much as I do.

BTW my gram's story is just one of many that all have to do with the bigger picture that he chooses to ignore - When Jews were finally allowed to immigrate back to their homeland that they were pushed out of, after decades and centuries in which they were not allowed to do so for the mere purpose of pretending the region is Islamic and always has been, talk about re-writing history - but the Brits finally let limited amounts of Jews in. What did the Arabs do? Did they show them their famous hospitality? No, instead they attacked them, robbed them and murdered them. So instead of understanding that is my point and that is just one true story out of many, he decides to nit pick my words.

Hey Mr. Big Dog this is for you:

[decocker 7,198]

In my comment about hating on Jews I wasn't talking about everyone but rather a very particular person that has proven on these pages that he has a problem with Jews, despite his claim that it is only against Israel. It's well documented in 32 pages. And there's no denying it now. Once he saw we were on to him, he decided to try and divert attention from himself and onto me instead by attempting to call me a liar. He realized he had like no credibility left here so decided to try and undermine mine - but anyone with some common sense can see through that, and those who don't - oh well. As far as my writing here goes - Believe it or not I work about 70 hours a week, most of my writing here is while working, which is why I'm allowed to get distracted at times - he takes that distraction and turns it into two pages of nonsense accusations - I think he needs some mental help. It's my duty to expose his nasty propaganda which is the only reason why I bother writing as much as I do.

BTW my gram's story is just one of many that all have to do with the bigger picture that he chooses to ignore - When Jews were finally allowed to immigrate back to their homeland that they were pushed out of, after decades and centuries in which they were not allowed to do so for the mere purpose of pretending the region is Islamic and always has been, talk about re-writing history - but the Brits finally let limited amounts of Jews in. What did the Arabs do? Did they show them their famous hospitality? No, instead they attacked them, robbed them and murdered them. So instead of understanding that is my point and that is just one true story out of many, he decides to nit pick my words.

Hey Mr. Big Dog this is for you:

well gee, that's mighty bait-ful of ya.

[OriZ 3,157]

http://www.thomaswictor.com/i-was-just-kidding/

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Hey Mr. Big Dog this is for you:

And that's supposed to accomplish what exactly? Remove any doubt I might have had about you? Well, son, you've done it!

[OriZ 3,157]

Last night I did an experiment on Twitter. A Thai took issue with my Pallywood posts,calling them propaganda. This person was completely incoherent and played all sorts of games, even though it styles itself a “truth teller.”

Beware of anyone who has the word “truth” in their user name or Website. They’re all lunatics.

I wanted to see how far this Thai thing would go, so I kept answering it. The way it “scored points” was by completely distorting what I said and then heroically taking down its own fabricated argument.

What the Thai thing was talking about was my observation that in three weeks, Hamas set off more than half the IEDs that insurgents blew up over five years in Iraq. I never said Hamas used five times the amount of IEDs detonated in Iraq in five years. And it’s completely sourced. The IDF reported that Hamas had set off over 1000 IEDs.That’s reality. The Brookings Institute says that Iraqi insurgents set off 1869 IEDs from 2003 to 2008.

Here’s how the Thai thing responded.

Right. I’m the only person who’s published the FACT that Hamas compressed two and a half years’ worth of asymmetrical warfare into three weeks; as a result my Website is the only one where you can find that information. Is it my fault that nobody else thought to compare Operation Protection Edge to Operation Iraqi Freedom?

The Thai thing only pretended to not understand my point. Being deliberately obtuse is another power trip. It’s a way of forcing you to continually explain yourself. Only deeply inhumane, sadistic, narcissistic swine are deliberately obtuse. Just so you know. I’m an expert on these creatures; they’ve had a terrible impact on my life. When someone is being deliberately obtuse, don’t cut them any slack. Hit them where it hurts. They richly deserve it.

Another straw man the Thai thing built was this.

I most emphatically did not say that. What I said is that the overwhelming majority of the damage was caused was IEDs either deliberately set off by Hamas or detonated by the Israeli Defense Forces using inert bombs or engineers. The Thai thing can’t tell IED damage from damage caused by aerial munitions, artillery, or tank rounds. Fine.

But I can tell.

The Thai thing made a statement that took me a long time to figure out.

What the Thai thing meant was that the IDF had provided NO VIDEO that showed secondary explosions. That allegation confused me because it’s like saying, “Barack Obama is not the President of the United States. Miley Cyrus is. Here she is at her inauguration.”

So I linked to an IDF video that showed massive secondary explosions. The Thai thing acknowledged that they were indeed secondaries.

Then the Thai thing moved the goalposts and said that the IDF had provided only a few videos that showed secondaries. For me to state that most of the damage in Gaza was caused by IEDs, I had to have seen every single explosion, according to the Thai thing. It was projecting its own ignorance onto me.

I really don’t know how you Israelis can deal with this. Being confronted with such implacable mental illness every day has been very depressing. But it’s also made me more determined to continue debunking the slanderous accusations made against Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces.

And all you Jew-haters do me a favor: STOP TELLING ME THAT EVERYTHING I WRITE IS ONLY MY OPINION. I myself am very clear that it’s only my opinion. Therefore you don’t need to remind me.

I guess you think I’m going go, “Jumpin’ catfish, he’s right! This is only my opinion! I can’t share my opinion! That would wrong!”

My unsourced opinion of Thailand True News is that it looks like this.

Just a hunch. I could be wrong.

But you know I’m not.

Edited August 19, 2014 by OriZ

[OriZ 3,157]

And that's supposed to accomplish what exactly? Remove any doubt I might have had about you? Well, son, you've done it!

Oh don't pretend you ever even had it, then we can move on

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I can see why you'd want to talk about trolling. It's all you're doing. All day, every day. Whatever happened to your time being precious?

[Expat1 971]

In my comment about hating on Jews I wasn't talking about everyone but rather a very particular person that has proven on these pages that he has a problem with Jews, despite his claim that it is only against Israel. It's well documented in 32 pages. And there's no denying it now. Once he saw we were on to him, he decided to try and divert attention from himself and onto me instead by attempting to call me a liar.

You can call me a "Jew hater" or any other name all you want. You did lie and that lie got pointed out. Once you saw we were on to you of course you tried to divert attention away from that by ignoring posts bunking your "pallywood" claims, more film of Israeli soldiers mistreating kids, more history about property owners getting driven out and settlers passing laws declaring previously owned property abandoned and taking it for themselves.

This is the claim of the Palestinian people. They were driven off of their land by terrorist groups that I named and listed then robbed of that property without compensation. Jewish historians who live in Israel describe these activities in intricate and very clear detail. They say they are currently under the equivalent of martial law where they are stopped and searched, loaded up and taken to prison, or simply shot on the street in front of their own homes and in their own country. Based on what I see, read, and hear I'm concluding that they are telling the truth and deserve to stand up for their rights.

You of course cannot deny the existence of Urgan or the other (named and described by name and actions in this thread) radical terrorist groups that did this nor can you deny the copied text of the law that was passed to take the property that owners were driven out of nor can your word about what happens on film be expected to be taken over that of an Israeli human rights group nor can you explain why if pallywood is making all of these videos how they can get Israeli soldiers to announce "I am the law I am god" and pose with each other for camera shots with arrested and beaten up Palestinian kids (arrested in front of their own homes on their own streets in their own country). Your version of events of course conflicts with the Palestinian version but their version matches the version that is recorded by your own historians.

Which leaves you with throwing around labels and me concluding that we need to cut the cord and let the Israeli minority violate the rights of the majority there just to see if this might be the first time in history it works out.

Edited August 19, 2014 by Expat1

[OriZ 3,157]

*yawn* some more desperation...try something new already will ya...

And like I said, until you are willing to actually post ALL of what was said each time, not just what you choose to, everyone knows you're full of it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to my thread and post some actual relevant stuff.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I seem to remember we had a crisis brewing that needed immediate attention.. Something about the southern border.. That still happening?

Edited August 19, 2014 by OnMyWayID