Israel-Gaza conflict: What has Israel achieved in 26 bloody days?

[OriZ 3,157]

*yawn* someone is desperate.

Israel’s domestic security agency, Shin Bet, claims that it uncovered a serious plot by Hamas – including unprecedented military preparations – to start an uprising in the West Bank: not only against Israel, but against the Palestinian Authority.

According to Shin Bet, Hamas’s goals in the West Bank included – at some stage – “a military coup” to topple the P.A., which is led by the late Yasser Arafat’s al-Fatah faction. In the Gaza Strip in 2007, after winning an election there, Hamas fighters soundly defeated al-Fatah men – killing many and forcing the survivors to leave.

Shin Bet officials, in issuing details today, insist that this is all true – and not an Israeli invention aimed at jamming a huge wedge between Hamas and the P.A. The officials deny any connection with the fact that all day Monday, there was high tension over not knowing if a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas would be extended to allow for more negotiations in Cairo.

Shin Bet says its information about “military” organizing by Hamas in the West Bank is based on interrogations of recently arrested suspects. Information is being released at this time, because it is in legal documents that formalize charges against around 70 Hamas members.Hamas is branded a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States, and many other governments. The Fatah faction, which as the P.A. has engaged in negotiations with Israel on-and-off for 21 years, is considered to be relatively moderate. (Rightwing Israelis argue that Fatah also backs terrorism and does not truly want to live in peace alongside a Jewish state of Israel.)

The officials tell of 93 arrests in the current investigation, including a man who allegedly was recruited in Malaysia where he studied computer sciences. Hamas had him trained for code-breaking and cyberwarfare.

According to information cleared by Israeli authorities for publication, the Hamas military organizing began in May – unrelated to the kidnap and murder of three young Israeli men in the West Bank a month later.

Over the weekend, the Israeli army destroyed the family homes of two Palestinians who are the prime suspects in the murder of the three Israelis. Human rights organizations complained that this was “collective punishment,” without any court indictments, trials, or convictions.

As for the “military” plot including a coup to take over the P.A., Shin Bet officials say the plan was hatched by Hamas activists in Turkey – with others in Jordan involved in the planning.

The plan included severe terrorist attacks inside Israel, launched from the West Bank, that would trigger harsh responses by Israel. That, in turn, would lead – Hamas allegedly hoped – to the eruption of a widespread uprising by West Bank Palestinians: a third Intifada.

It seems that Israeli intelligence received some of its information on this plot from Jordan’s security agencies, which is believed to have spies inside various Palestinian factions – and Jordan is reputed to engage in harsh interrogations to extract information about alleged plots.

As part of the Israeli investigation in the West Bank, according to Shin Bet officials, dozens of weapons and hidden storage facilities were found. Guns, valued at around half a million dollars, are believed to have been smuggled in from Jordan.

Shin Bet believes it broke up this plot before attacks on Israelis – or on the P.A. – could be carried out. But one Shin Bet official said the information obtained proves that Hamas – and certainly its leadership outside the Palestinian territories – are deadly serious in their objective to take over the entire Palestinian movement.

If you want to trust that group with your land you go right ahead. Israel has every right not to. If tomorrow Israel leaves the west bank it'll become the new Gaza. No thank you. And anyone attempting to rob the Jewish people of their right to the land is ignorant at best.

[Expat1 971]

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-soldiers-pose-photos-while-abusing-palestinian-child

More good news from Palestine. It's staged of course. But wait.......how did pallywood pull off getting Israeli soldiers to stage shooting a kid in the leg then pose for pictures with him?

[Expat1 971]

*yawn* someone is desperate.

If you want to trust that group with your land you go right ahead. Israel has every right not to. If tomorrow Israel leaves the west bank it'll become the new Gaza. No thank you. And anyone attempting to rob the Jewish people of their right to the land is ignorant at best.

And in other news yet another "debunking of Oriz":

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem has concluded that footage capturing the moment two Palestinian teenagers were shot dead by Israeli soldiers despite posing no risk to them is "genuine and consistent", contradicting Israeli army claims that the footage is likely to have been forged.

A short section of edited CCTV footage was released earlier this week showing Nadim Nawara, 17, and Mohammad Salameh, 16, being shot and killed. Since then Israeli military sources have been quoted anonymously on several occasions in the local media trying to undermine the tape's credibility.

Edited August 18, 2014 by Expat1

[Expat1 971]

*yawn* someone is desperate.

If you want to trust that group with your land you go right ahead. Israel has every right not to. If tomorrow Israel leaves the west bank it'll become the new Gaza. No thank you. And anyone attempting to rob the Jewish people of their right to the land is ignorant at best.

Of course they have a right to it. Because of the "Absentees' Property Laws" passed after the properties were "abandoned"

[Expat1 971]

*yawn* someone is desperate.

If you want to trust that group with your land you go right ahead. Israel has every right not to. If tomorrow Israel leaves the west bank it'll become the new Gaza. No thank you. And anyone attempting to rob the Jewish people of their right to the land is ignorant at best.

<yawn> Desperate for what? Win or lose, neither I nor anyone around me has to or has ever had to make an annual trip to Washington to jerk off congressman for aid money to pay for all the stuff I need to "defend myself" because I can't quite get it done on my own.

IF: My idle comments do nothing I'm the same. If your propaganda does nothing you're in pretty deep sht.

A nod to "hard work and talent": Jerking congressmen off at $400 per "head" annually for every man, woman, and child in the country (pun definitely intended) at the expense of American taxpayers has turned out to be pretty lucrative.

[Expat1 971]

*yawn* someone is desperate.

Seems they are. Say anything to get their point across

"I have first hand stories from my own blood, my grandmother, who came with her family from Russia in the late 20's. In Russia they were wealthy, they had everything, but the Russians told them they needed to leave, without taking anything. So they went to Palestine, and lived in a tent, and what little bit they had, got stolen by the Arabs at times. Her mom died in her 40's when she wasn't even able to recognize her own daughter anymore due to the trauma she had suffered in life."

"My Grandmother was born in Haifa in 1923, and generations before her lived in the area so the land is as much hers as it is anyone else`s."

I think you're so used to making up propaganda you can't even find the truth on the radar screen anymore.

Edited August 18, 2014 by Expat1

[OriZ 3,157]

There we go again. lol. Keep going back to that cause you have no good arguments to make. What do you want, a birth certificate? Cause I certainly have one. Show the rest of it from back then too, where I said the exact same thing of them having to stay in a tent, or shut up. Go ahead, be a man, show it. Otherwise stop wasting my time. Man, now you're being pathetic. I already said it was meant to say my grandmother's parents, but you love wasting my time replying to silly BS till I make a mistake writing something in a hurry and then you're all over it. Pathetic. They moved in the late teens but she was born in 23 and this is the last time I am repeating this. Like I would really change a story from her being born in Haifa to NOT being born in Haifa, cause that would be such a beneficial lie. lol. The insanity of people these days due to their hatred is just ridiculous.

Desperation is posting 4 different posts in a reply to the same quote. That's some serious desperation. No matter how hard you try you cannot make me out to be a liar cause the only liar here is you, and that's frustrating you, I get it, but get on with the program. A liar I am not.

Desperation is also using quotes of BTselem. Only in a democratic country like Israel would such a "human rights" group even be considered legal.

And btw, you seriously need some new material cause the same old BS that's been recycled here for years just doesn't do it for me anymore. Find something new.

Edited August 18, 2014 by OriZ

[OriZ 3,157]

BTW, everyone also has more than 1 grandmother, in case you were not aware, or so they should anyway. If I wanted to lie I could have easily said that the one in Haifa was my mom's mom and the one from Russia was my dad's or something like that. But, my sin is always sticking to the truth. Yes, I admit, in both cases it's my dad's mom. LOL. So I messed up by accidently saying that she came with them instead of saying it was her parents that came with their family, sue me, haha, so pathetic. Lets make a discussion about nothing cause we have nothing better to do besides hate on Jews and anyone who tries to defend them.

Edited August 18, 2014 by OriZ

[OriZ 3,157]

You also want to know where my mom's parents are from? Well my mom's mom was born in Israel as well but their family is originally from Egypt and Yemen. My mom's dad's side was kicked out of Yemen like many Jews - maybe they should have a right to return to their home too. My dad's side of the family is half Russian and half Austrian. The Austrian side left Austria right before the Nazis came to power. How unfortunate for you. There, any other info you need, sir? lol

[decocker 7,198]

so tired of hearing about 'hating on jews'

NO ONE HERE IS HATING ON JEWS.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

so tired of hearing about 'hating on jews'

NO ONE HERE IS HATING ON JEWS.

"hating on jews" is the ultimate defense for the indefensible. when you run across is, you know that the argument was lost.

[Expat1 971]

Smartest thing you've done in days is stay as far away as possible from those stories of ethnic cleansing followed by those "Absentees' Property Laws" (all recorded nicely by two different Jewish historians too)

Pallywood seems to be getting into some seriously scholarly minds over there in Israel.

Much better use of your time to concentrate on remembering those "first hand stories from my own blood, my grandmother, who came with her family from Russia in the late 20's. In Russia they were wealthy, they had everything, but the Russians told them they needed to leave, without taking anything. So they went to Palestine, and lived in a tent" but who was magically "born in Haifa in 1923, and generations before her lived in the area so the land is as much hers as it is anyone else`s".

No doubt about that - that's two different stories about two completely different people in two different threads and there is NO WAY that even the dates add up for one to be anywhere close to the other. Me? I think you tried a lie and flopped an epic fail.

Seem's your doing a bit of double-posting yourself. I'm just toying with you. I haven't even started really doing any serious cutting and pasting from Benny's books, just tossed a nugget or two from them just to watch you scramble around on the ground for it. It's kinda funny to watch.

Your board for the day. I'm still waiting for that "lesson" you were going to come in and teach me this evening. Guess you forgot. It's a pattern. Same thing happened with poor ole granny.

You also want to know where my mom's parents are from? Well my mom's mom was born in Israel as well but their family is originally from Egypt and Yemen. My mom's dad's side was kicked out of Yemen like many Jews - maybe they should have a right to return to their home too. My dad's side of the family is half Russian and half Austrian. The Austrian side left Austria right before the Nazis came to power. How unfortunate for you. There, any other info you need, sir? lol

I don't really care Oriz. Your family history doesn't have squat to do with killing kids in Gaza.

[Expat1 971]

BTW, everyone also has more than 1 grandmother, in case you were not aware, or so they should anyway. If I wanted to lie I could have easily said that the one in Haifa was my mom's mom and the one from Russia was my dad's or something like that. But, my sin is always sticking to the truth. Yes, I admit, in both cases it's my dad's mom. LOL. So I messed up by accidently saying that she came with them instead of saying it was her parents that came with their family, sue me, haha, so pathetic. Lets make a discussion about nothing cause we have nothing better to do besides hate on Jews and anyone who tries to defend them.

"I could have lied more to cover the first lie but I didn't so that makes me special" sounds a hell of a lot like "we could have killed WAY WAY more kids but we didn't so that makes us humane"

[OriZ 3,157]

There come the trolls. People in this forum are hopeless.

[decocker 7,198]

There come the trolls. People in this forum are hopeless.

there come the trolls? seems to me you're trolling this thread hard. every time i log in, you're here and yet you're either posting about how you haven't the time to worry with 'jew haters' or posting walls of text and quipping anyone who comments on said walls of text.