Israel-Gaza conflict: What has Israel achieved in 26 bloody days?

[Expat1 971]

Well, it's good yet again to clearly see who you are. This is not only about Israel to you and you've made that obvious. As far as your personal insult - I'm not offended cause for one, I look at the source...which is you. And second, I know for a fact it's not true(want to compare IQs?). So, sharpest crayon or not, it's normally the last resort for people that have no good arguments to make to start with personal insults. But on the other hand, I have truth on my side.

It was until you brought the Russian issue into the discussion. Your story starts with "my gram was asked to leave Russia" but you leave out the why. "They were very wealthy. They had everything". As did my own family.

How does a people build wealth and prosper for generations if everyone they are doing business with is "anti-Semitic"? Can you explain this?

[OriZ 3,157]

It was until you brought the Russian issue into the discussion. Your story starts with "my gram was asked to leave Russia" but you leave out the why. "They were very wealthy. They had everything". As did my own family.

How does a people build wealth and prosper for generations if everyone they are doing business with is "anti-Semitic"? Can you explain this?

Wow, so now you don't only repeat Palestinian propaganda to a tee, you've shown you can even repeat Nazi propaganda. Good on you.

Bonus points and MY respect if you can identify which of these "anti-Semitic" views were actually written by JEWISH authors.

The Judenrat were Jewish.

Karl Marx was Jewish.

I can go on forever.

[Expat1 971]

Wow, so now you don't only repeat Palestinian propaganda to a tee, you've shown you can even repeat Nazi propaganda. Good on you.

The Judenrat were Jewish.

Karl Marx was Jewish.

I can go on forever.

Nazi propaganda? Are you kidding me?

A recent author, unaffiliated with ANY party. War correspondents, one of which risked his life getting the stories of how the Jews were treated out of Germany. A Jewish author, writing about conditions in prewar Germany. People from (4) different countries writing down conditions as they were recorded AND condemning German treatment of the Jews at the same time.

Discounted the Brit. Appears he's "not a historian" but the referenced exactly matches four other independent sources that all say that Jews in Germany PROSPERED between WW1 and WW2. How do people PROSPER if everyone around them is anti-Semitic? Can you answer?

Something I already knew and something you (should) already know.

Of course that information is anti-Semitic. Right.

Edited August 16, 2014 by Expat1

[Expat1 971]

Wow, so now you don't only repeat Palestinian propaganda to a tee, you've shown you can even repeat Nazi propaganda. Good on you.

The Judenrat were Jewish.

Karl Marx was Jewish.

I can go on forever.

I'm pretty sure that your inability to explain your own claims of a wealthy, prosperous family back in Russia probably makes the question of what that has to do with Nazi propaganda pointless. But carry on.

[Boiler 45,743]

Bonus points and MY respect if you can identify which of these "anti-Semitic" views were actually written by JEWISH authors.

I am no expect on the situation, a basic understanding of events and issues.

But the Right of Return is pretty fundamental.

[Expat1 971]

[OriZ 3,157]

What part of "you are a waste of my time" don't you understand?

I will, however, post this:

The Eternal Jew (1940) is an antisemitic German Nazi propaganda film, presented as a documentary. It has been characterized as "urely the most hideous success of the anti-Semitic films" made during the Nazi era. The film's title in German is Der ewige Jude, the German term for the character of the "Wandering Jew" in medieval folklore. At the insistence of Nazi Germany's Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, the film was directed by Fritz Hippler. The screenplay is credited toEberhard Taubert. The film consists of feature and documentary footage combined with materials filmed shortly after the Nazi occupation of Poland. At this time Poland'sJewish population was about three million, roughly ten percent of the total population. Actor Harry Giese (1903–1991) narrated. The film asserts: "At the beginning of the twentieth century, Jews sit at the junction of the world financial markets. They are an international power. Only one percent of the world's population, with the help of their capital, they terrorize the world stock exchanges, world opinion, and world politics."

The movie blamed Jews for inflation and unemployment in Germany. It charged that they had crept into all professions and through usury, racketeering and crimes on German assets.

"At the beginning of the twentieth century, Jews sit at the junction of the world financial markets. They are an international power. Only one percent of the world's population, with the help of their capital, they terrorize the world stock exchanges, world opinion, and world politics."

"Out of a thousand workers in Berlin, only two were Jews. For the start of 1933, out of one hundred prosecutors in Berlin 15 were Jews. Out of a hundred judges were 23 Jews. Out of a hundred lawyers 49 Jews. 52 Jews out of a hundred doctors. And out of every hundred of businessmen 60 Jews. The average wealth of Germans was 810 marks each. The average wealth of each Jew amounted to 10,000 marks."

The evidence for these assertions is unstated in the film. However, the occupational information is similar to that found in Germany by subsequent non-Nazi researchers for the time periods before the Nuremberg laws systematically excluded Jews from educational and professional opportunities.

In 1933, 5,600 Jewish doctors and 3,030 Jewish lawyers were practicing in Germany, which matches the percentages given in the movie. An exceptionally large number of successful lawsuits over equal citizenship and rights had been filed in the Weimar Republic, most of them by Jewish lawyers. The Nuremberg laws specifically forbade German judges from citing any precedents by Jewish jurists, and cut off Jewish doctors from reimbursement under public health care insurance.

In contrast, during the economic crisis between the end of World War I and the implementation of the Nuremberg laws, Jews were disproportionately likely to be laid off from the labor market, to the point that 1 out of every 4 Jews had been laid off by 1935. The original set of layoffs also had the effect of concentrating Jewish employment during this period into the professional and self-employed sectors, while post-1933 delicensing and other Nuremberg legislation gradually pushed Jews completely out of professional occupations and into positions such as street peddlers.

The reference to average wealth probably used the wealth of the Jewish Rothschild family as the basis for its calculation. The Rothschild banking family is still believed to have had the largest private fortune in the world during the 19th century, as well as the largest fortune in modern world history. Although the Creditanstalt debts were assumed in part by the Austrian branch of the Rothschild family, its bankruptcy was later used by Hitler as an example of how the Jews were responsible for all the economic and social troubles of Germany and the world. None of the Austrian branch of the Rothschild family remained in Austria while Austria was under the Nazis, and their bank was nationalized.

The movie goes on to assert that

"The most common expressions in the jargon of international gangsters and criminals, stem from

Hebrew

and

Yiddish

words."

According to the movie, Jews are likewise disproportionately plentiful in organized crime, where they represent 82% of international crime organizations, and 98% of international prostitution. This Jewish influence is seen as well in the international language used by criminals (see also Rotwelsch). The evidence for these blatant assertions is nowhere produced. Insofar as "organized crime" represents lawbreaking other than that forced by the Nuremberg laws, it has not been corroborated by subsequent research.

Edited August 16, 2014 by OriZ

[Josh W 3]

No matter how all of you are twisting this

Jews have their Israel

Palestinians their fantasies.

[Karee 4,190]

No matter how all of you are twisting this

Jews have their Israel

Palestinians their fantasies.

Thanks for your well thought out post on the matter.

[Josh W 3]

Thanks for your well thought out post on the matter.

You are welcome. Enjoy it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No matter how all of you are twisting this

Jews have their Israel

Palestinians their fantasies.

I think everyone knows now that you couldn't give a toss about the Palestinians. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that, but it makes you look a bit dickish.

[Josh W 3]

I think everyone knows now that you couldn't give a toss about the Palestinians. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that, but it makes you look a bit dickish.

No I don't give a toss about the Palestinians.

Is that bad?

[LibCampFireClub 635]

There's no peaceful solution to the conflicts in the Middle East. That's especially clear when you listen and watch at the reason from a Western anti-terrorism perspective and contrast it with an ideology that has no interest in peace whatsoever, Their only interest is to kill as many Jews and Americans as possible. War has always been horrific. The most horrific component of it today is trying to wage it in a clinical and pinpoint manner. If war is the choice, then let the generals wage it rather than the lawmakers and the press. Trying to mix humanity into a picture of war will never fit.

Edited August 17, 2014 by ExExpat

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No I don't give a toss about the Palestinians.

Is that bad?

It certainly makes you very biased and lacking in a humanitarian perspective.

What other marginalised groups do you not care about?

[Expat1 971]

What part of "you are a waste of my time" don't you understand?

I will, however, post this:

The movie blamed Jews for inflation and unemployment in Germany. It charged that they had crept into all professions and through usury, racketeering and crimes on German assets.

"At the beginning of the twentieth century, Jews sit at the junction of the world financial markets. They are an international power. Only one percent of the world's population, with the help of their capital, they terrorize the world stock exchanges, world opinion, and world politics."

"Out of a thousand workers in Berlin, only two were Jews. For the start of 1933, out of one hundred prosecutors in Berlin 15 were Jews. Out of a hundred judges were 23 Jews. Out of a hundred lawyers 49 Jews. 52 Jews out of a hundred doctors. And out of every hundred of businessmen 60 Jews. The average wealth of Germans was 810 marks each. The average wealth of each Jew amounted to 10,000 marks."

The evidence for these assertions is unstated in the film. However, the occupational information is similar to that found in Germany by subsequent non-Nazi researchers for the time periods before the Nuremberg laws systematically excluded Jews from educational and professional opportunities.

In 1933, 5,600 Jewish doctors and 3,030 Jewish lawyers were practicing in Germany, which matches the percentages given in the movie. An exceptionally large number of successful lawsuits over equal citizenship and rights had been filed in the Weimar Republic, most of them by Jewish lawyers. The Nuremberg laws specifically forbade German judges from citing any precedents by Jewish jurists, and cut off Jewish doctors from reimbursement under public health care insurance.

In contrast, during the economic crisis between the end of World War I and the implementation of the Nuremberg laws, Jews were disproportionately likely to be laid off from the labor market, to the point that 1 out of every 4 Jews had been laid off by 1935. The original set of layoffs also had the effect of concentrating Jewish employment during this period into the professional and self-employed sectors, while post-1933 delicensing and other Nuremberg legislation gradually pushed Jews completely out of professional occupations and into positions such as street peddlers.

The reference to average wealth probably used the wealth of the Jewish Rothschild family as the basis for its calculation. The Rothschild banking family is still believed to have had the largest private fortune in the world during the 19th century, as well as the largest fortune in modern world history. Although the Creditanstalt debts were assumed in part by the Austrian branch of the Rothschild family, its bankruptcy was later used by Hitler as an example of how the Jews were responsible for all the economic and social troubles of Germany and the world. None of the Austrian branch of the Rothschild family remained in Austria while Austria was under the Nazis, and their bank was nationalized.

The movie goes on to assert that

"The most common expressions in the jargon of international gangsters and criminals, stem from

Hebrew

and

Yiddish

words."

According to the movie, Jews are likewise disproportionately plentiful in organized crime, where they represent 82% of international crime organizations, and 98% of international prostitution. This Jewish influence is seen as well in the international language used by criminals (see also Rotwelsch). The evidence for these blatant assertions is nowhere produced. Insofar as "organized crime" represents lawbreaking other than that forced by the Nuremberg laws, it has not been corroborated by subsequent research.

You're right about one thing. If you think your silly propaganda justifying murder of civilians in Gaza or your whitewashed presentation of history is going to drum up sympathy for it you sure are wasting your time. Took you long enough to realize that.

Nice sidestep but I asked a couple of specific questions. I did not ask about 1940 nor did I use sources from Post-1939. Not interested in Nazi propaganda any more than I am interested in Israeli propaganda. To me, the two peoples are one and the same and use the same techniques and tactics and treat people who are not like them the same way to get what they want.

I am interested in hearing your version of why the pendulum swung so far for the Jewish people in these places starting with "my gram in Russia was wealthy and had everything" and why you believe that the swinging of this pendulum entitles any of them to stolen land in Gaza.

I used and tried to use non-German sources and ANTI-German sources that described events in the 1930's and the German boycott of Jewish businesses in Germany in 1937 which was a backlash for Jewish boycott of Germany goods announced two weeks before in Europe and the US.

So are you saying that 2 correspondents, a Jewish historian, and an American professor of English all got it wrong? You still haven't detailed out how your family accumulated all that wealth in Russian with all of that anti-Semitism either.

I will ask again: How do generations of Jewish people live in a society, gain influence in a society, and accumulate wealth and power in that society if that society is anti-Semitic?

Edited August 17, 2014 by Expat1