Israel-Gaza conflict: What has Israel achieved in 26 bloody days?

[rlogan 2,036]

I would say by far that the majority of young people could not give a toss either way.

Then you would be making a fool out of yourself since the story has an embedded link to the gallup site and it's poll:

25% don't have an opinion. It isn't that all of that small 25% minority don't "give a toss". Some significant portion of them are like older adults who care but aren't prepared to come down on one side vs. the other.

The other 75% not only care but overwhelmingly support the Palestinians. 51% say Israel is not justified. 25% say it is.

Israel had so much good will, money, and arms from all over the globe. But they squandered it through state terrorism.

Edited August 10, 2014 by rlogan

[Josh W 3]

Bottom line is : Please children die on TV camera, we badly need the world sympathy for more money because we stole everything we got from the previous "war" and now we are broke.

[Josh W 3]

Comparison is sometimes made between the world reaction to the massacre of Palestinians by Lebanese Christian militiamen at Sabra and Shatila in September 1982, where some 800 people were killed, and the massacre earlier in the same year in Hama in Syria, where tens of thousands were killed. On the latter, not a dog barked. The difference, of course, was in the circumstances. In both cases the perpetrators were Arab, but in the case of Sabra and Shatila, because of the dominant Israeli military presence in the region, there was a possibility of blaming the Jews. In Hama, this possibility did not exist; therefore the mass slaughter of Arabs by Arabs went unremarked, unnoticed, and unprotested. This contrast is clearly anti-Jewish. In a different way, it is also anti-Arab.

[Póg mo 1,749]

Comparison is sometimes made between the world reaction to the massacre of Palestinians by Lebanese Christian militiamen at Sabra and Shatila in September 1982, where some 800 people were killed, and the massacre earlier in the same year in Hama in Syria, where tens of thousands were killed. On the latter, not a dog barked. The difference, of course, was in the circumstances. In both cases the perpetrators were Arab, but in the case of Sabra and Shatila, because of the dominant Israeli military presence in the region, there was a possibility of blaming the Jews. In Hama, this possibility did not exist; therefore the mass slaughter of Arabs by Arabs went unremarked, unnoticed, and unprotested. This contrast is clearly anti-Jewish. In a different way, it is also anti-Arab.

Robert Fisk wrote about the massacre in Hama, in fact al jazeera even interviewed him it.

http://m.truthdig.com/report/item/syria_has_seen_similar_bloodshed_before_20110705

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2012/02/201222163512228428.html

[OriZ 3,157]

Robert Fisk...lol...that's like an interview with Hamas spokesman.

Please tell me some more about how much Hamas cares about its own people

Kerem Shalom Crossing Closed Due to Deliberate and Continuous Rocket Fire

(Communicated by the Defense Ministry Spokesperson)

Starting at 06:00 today (Sunday, 10 August 2014), several rockets were intentionally fired at Kerem Shalom, hitting working areas at the crossing. Despite this, the transfer of goods continued until the afternoon hours; over 30 trucks laden with humanitarian equipment entered the Gaza Strip.

At approximately 12:30, an additional barrage of rockets was fired, directly hitting the crossing compound. It was decided not to endanger the workers at the site and to halt the transfer of goods until further notice.

Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge, the Kerem Shalom Crossing has facilitated the passage of thousands of trucks laden with medical and hygiene equipment, food products, raw materials, textiles, animal food, cleaning materials and home utensils, as well as gas and fuels. The transfer of goods has been carried out in order to render humanitarian assistance to civilians living in the Gaza Strip.

The Defense Ministry Land Crossings Authority:

“After continuous and intentional rocket fire at the Kerem Shalom Crossing this morning and this afternoon, during which trucks carrying flammable materials to the Gaza Strip were almost hit, we took the exceptional decision to close the crossing in order to protect the lives of workers and traders. The crossing was open throughout Operation Protective Edge despite constant firing in its vicinity and is the sole artery for the passage of vital humanitarian goods and equipment to the residents of the Gaza Strip.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/middle-east/2014/08/kerem-shalom-crossing-closed-due-to-intentional-and-continuous-rocket-2461206.html

[OriZ 3,157]

Here's an analogy that even the brainwashed should understand...alot of times the Palestinians are compared to the native Americans, for this analogy's sake lets forget about that for a moment, and pretend that the people currently in America are the first to ever live there.

Imagine this...through thousands of years of persecutions, thousands of years from now most(but not all) of the current day Americans are forced to be expelled from this continent, and are now somewhere else.

Through thousands of years of persecutions where they now are, including several years where millions of them are killed, they finally manage to start making their way back into America. The current inhabitants of America are not happy about it, and neither is Canada, Mexico, Panama and a few other surrounding countries. In the next few decades dozens of thousands of them are being killed cause those countries and the inhabitants that lived on the continent while most(but again, not all) of them were gone are not happy about them returning to THEIR land. During which time, despite being attacked all over the place, they manage to occupy some more of their land back(such as say, Texas, which for the first couple decades was not yet theirs again).

The current inhabitants then try and claim that they are actually the original inhabitants, cause, well, we all know history only started a few decades ago.

Want another analogy for the current situation in Gaza? Here you go...imagine your neighbor hates you and takes his wife and kids, places them infront of him, and shoots at you or members of your family every time you leave the house. What would you do? Stand by and let him butcher your family one by one? Or would you fire back even if it meant hurting the kids or wife he placed in front of him thinking that would protect him from you protecting yourself, or, at the very least, make the people living next to you think you are a vicious murderer, not realizing that if you did not strike back your family would be dead. It is either your family or his, what would you pick?

[Póg mo 1,749]

Robert Fisk...lol...that's like an interview with Hamas spokesman.

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Of course, your sources are usually just so unimpeachable. Do you have any more from that settler radio statio, or that ex British solider who communicates with dead people?

[Póg mo 1,749]

Bottom line is : Please children die on TV camera, we badly need the world sympathy for more money because we stole everything we got from the previous "war" and now we are broke.

Welcome to the forum, it's always great to see new members join just to comment on a single issue.

[Josh W 3]

Go Israel Go Go

[Póg mo 1,749]

Here's an analogy that even the brainwashed should understand...alot of times the Palestinians are compared to the native Americans, for this analogy's sake lets forget about that for a moment, and pretend that the people currently in America are the first to ever live there.

Imagine this...through thousands of years of persecutions, thousands of years from now most(but not all) of the current day Americans are forced to be expelled from this continent, and are now somewhere else.

Through thousands of years of persecutions where they now are, including several years where millions of them are killed, they finally manage to start making their way back into America. The current inhabitants of America are not happy about it, and neither is Canada, Mexico, Panama and a few other surrounding countries. In the next few decades dozens of thousands of them are being killed cause those countries and the inhabitants that lived on the continent while most(but again, not all) of them were gone are not happy about them returning to THEIR land. During which time, despite being attacked all over the place, they manage to occupy some more of their land back(such as say, Texas, which for the first couple decades was not yet theirs again).

The current inhabitants then try and claim that they are actually the original inhabitants, cause, well, we all know history only started a few decades ago.

Right, could you imagine any country in the world, welcoming in former inhabitants and agreeing to give up territory just so, the current inhabitants will become second class citizens? Name one single country, people or even group that wouldn't be upset by the prospect?

Want another analogy for the current situation in Gaza? Here you go...imagine your neighbor hates you and takes his wife and kids, places them infront of him, and shoots at you or members of your family every time you leave the house. What would you do? Stand by and let him butcher your family one by one? Or would you fire back even if it meant hurting the kids or wife he placed in front of him thinking that would protect him from you protecting yourself, or, at the very least, make the people living next to you think you are a vicious murderer, not realizing that if you did not strike back your family would be dead. It is either your family or his, what would you pick?

Sure, this is way the Palestinians are so upset. Having groups of soldiers roaming the area with snipper rifles isn't something I'd be happy with.

[OriZ 3,157]

[Expat1 971]

Here's an analogy that even the brainwashed should understand...alot of times the Palestinians are compared to the native Americans, for this analogy's sake lets forget about that for a moment, and pretend that the people currently in America are the first to ever live there.

Imagine this...through thousands of years of persecutions, thousands of years from now most(but not all) of the current day Americans are forced to be expelled from this continent, and are now somewhere else.

Through thousands of years of persecutions where they now are, including several years where millions of them are killed, they finally manage to start making their way back into America. The current inhabitants of America are not happy about it, and neither is Canada, Mexico, Panama and a few other surrounding countries. In the next few decades dozens of thousands of them are being killed cause those countries and the inhabitants that lived on the continent while most(but again, not all) of them were gone are not happy about them returning to THEIR land. During which time, despite being attacked all over the place, they manage to occupy some more of their land back(such as say, Texas, which for the first couple decades was not yet theirs again).

The current inhabitants then try and claim that they are actually the original inhabitants, cause, well, we all know history only started a few decades ago.

Want another analogy for the current situation in Gaza? Here you go...imagine your neighbor hates you and takes his wife and kids, places them infront of him, and shoots at you or members of your family every time you leave the house. What would you do? Stand by and let him butcher your family one by one? Or would you fire back even if it meant hurting the kids or wife he placed in front of him thinking that would protect him from you protecting yourself, or, at the very least, make the people living next to you think you are a vicious murderer, not realizing that if you did not strike back your family would be dead. It is either your family or his, what would you pick?

Drink up.

I'm imagining that if someone showed up with a bulldozer and group of buddies, razed my home, kicked my family to the street, then moved in on my property I'd do worse to them than Hamas is doing to Israel.

I'm also Imagining wandering back to Scotland, grabbing everything associated with my family name, taking it from whoever owns it, and living on it. If I did that don't you think they'd unite the clans under Mel Gibson and roll right over me?

So the answer is NO, you can't kick some people out of where you got kicked out of thousands of years ago and expect them to move into a camp forever while you live there. Either a group of people decides to learn to get along with their neighbors or not, but those who don't get a hard time, as history appears to indicate.

Your analogy about the house and neighbor would make a lot more sense if the property was yours and not theirs. So no, if you take someone's home and squat on it then they are not vicious murderers for shooting at you to throw you out. If you take their home, squat on the property, then shoot at them that makes you both a thief and a murderer. Welcome to America - home of the castle doctrine.

Come back after the specific areas that the UN has voted on as illegally occupied and that Hamas wants returned have actually BEEN returned THEN play victim.

Until then, don't waste your time justifying Israel's actions. AGAIN: Defending your right to stolen property is NOT self-defense. Next.

Edited August 10, 2014 by Expat1

[Póg mo 1,749]

Drink up.

I'm imagining that if someone showed up with a bulldozer and group of buddies, razed my home, kicked my family to the street, then moved in on my property I'd do worse to them than Hamas is doing to Israel.

I'm also Imagining wandering back to Scotland, grabbing everything associated with my family name, taking it from whoever owns it, and living on it. If I did that don't you think they'd unite the clans under Mel Gibson and roll right over me?

So the answer is NO, you can't kick some people out of where you got kicked out of thousands of years ago and expect them to move into a camp forever while you live there. Either a group of people decides to learn to get along with their neighbors or not, but those who don't get a hard time, as history appears to indicate.

Your analogy about the house and neighbor would make a lot more sense if the property was yours and not theirs. So no, if you take someone's home and squat on it then they are not vicious murderers for shooting at you to throw you out. If you take their home, squat on the property, then shoot at them that makes you both a thief and a murderer. Welcome to America - home of the castle doctrine.

Come back after the specific areas that the UN has voted on as illegally occupied and that Hamas wants returned have actually BEEN returned THEN play victim.

Until then, don't waste your time justifying Israel's actions. AGAIN: Defending your right to stolen property is NOT self-defense. Next.

But Israel is special. God gave it to them. The Palestinians are the squators. Don't believe me, ask these guys. http://revolverworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Jewish-support-for-Palestine.jpg

[Boiler 45,743]

Hamas control Gaza.

The Gaza border is not as far as I am aware in dispute. It is the 1967 border.

To state the very obvious Gaza borders both Israel and Egypt, neither side seem very keen to open the crossings for reasons that are pretty self evident.

Hamas seem quite happy lobbying missiles at Israel, some do not make it that far and I saw reference to one at least landing in Egypt.

Egypt and Israel seem to have common interest in limiting Hamas ability to do so. Does not seem unreasonable.

[Póg mo 1,749]

Egypt and Israel seem to have common interest in limiting Hamas ability to do so. Does not seem unreasonable.

So does Saudi Arabia, you know, the country who gave us the Taliban, Osama, alqaeda and now ISIS.