Go win the war for daddy!

[mota bhai 2,675]

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I made a comment in another thread. I don't think this go around Hamas is winning the PR game. I think they have been exposed. I am not committing on the whole picture or if Isareal has forced their hand etc, only saying that their ruthless tactics have been outed.

I don't think the world is buying the Israel is bombing schools and killing kids BS.

[mota bhai 2,675]

Agreed.

[khwaidee1 196]

Food for thought...............despite the obvious bias.

OPINION

Israel’s fight today will be yours tomorrow

By Ron Prosor

July 31, 2014 | 5:11am

An Israeli soldier carries a shell as troops prepare munitions along the border between Israel and the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.Photo: Getty Imagest

In 1968, three members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine hijacked an Israel-bound El Al flight, diverting it to Algiers. It was one of the first terrorist hijackings in modern history.

In response, Israel implemented a wave of unprecedented airport security reforms — including luggage checks and individual passenger screenings.

For its efforts to protect passengers, Israel was scorned by the liberal elite for putting innocent travelers through an invasive and burdensome ordeal.

Thirty-three years later, al Qaeda terrorists hijacked four US planes, crashing two into the World Trade Center. Today, Israel’s once-“insensitive” policies have become the standard procedure in every airport across the globe.

In its short history, Israel has repeatedly confronted the moral dilemmas that go hand-in-hand with combating terrorism long before the rest of the world has woken up to the threat.

Time and again, the international community has condemned Israel for its measures to protect its citizens, and time and again the international community has found itself adopting these same measures when the danger eventually hits home.

Today, Israel is again under attack — both by Hamas and by the supposed liberals who find it easier to rationalize the actions of a terrorist group than defend a democratic nation.

They employ a “yes, but” retort: “Yes, Hamas calls for Israel’s destruction, fires rockets at Israeli cities and kidnaps Israeli teens, but Israel brought this on itself.”

It’s time to abandon the romantic notion of Hamas as “freedom fighters.” It should be clear by now that it is a radical terror organization with a global extremist Islamic agenda.

In Gaza, nothing is off-limits for Hamas — not hospitals, where Hamas sets up command centers, and certainly not UN schools, where stores of rockets have been found in recent days.

Below Gaza’s nurseries and nursing homes, Hamas has built a vast underground complex of terror tunnels that lead to the doorsteps of Israeli communities.

For years, the international community believed that it was sending aid to assist the Palestinian people in Gaza. Hamas instead poured these funds into its underground terror operations.

Any faith in Hamas by the liberal elite should have vanished the moment it became clear that Hamas has been exploiting houses of faith and other civilian sanctuaries to conceal its terror tunnels.

Rather than expose Hamas’ duplicity, the media often fuel Hamas’ cycle of violence. Exploiting the news trope of “If it bleeds, it leads,” Hamas deliberately fires rockets at Israel from narrow alleys between mosques and clinics and elementary schools.

When Israel responds to defend its citizens, the media reflexively broadcast images of dead Palestinians and grieving mothers — omitting the fact that Hamas intentionally put them in harm’s way.

This leads to an outpouring of condemnation against Israel and gives Hamas powerful incentive to continue endangering civilians.

In a region filled with complexities, at least one equation is simple: When it is quiet in Israel, it will be quiet in Gaza. Hamas, however, employs an entirely different calculation.

It’s using its own people as human shields to rack up Palestinian casualties and win sympathy.

There is nothing noble or responsible in suggesting a moral equivalence between a democratic nation and a terrorist group because of an unequal casualty count. What moral code demands that Israel be punished simply because Hamas has failed to commit the mass murder it intended?

And, again, all this misses the real story: The Islamist terrorist threat that Israel faces today is not isolated or localized.

From Boston to Brussels to Benghazi, extremists have brought their war to our skyscrapers, schools and subways. Groups like ISIS, al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hezbollah and Hamas all share a disdain for democracies, a contempt for modernity and a determination to destroy our way of life.

Israel is on the frontline of this global war, facing phenomena that other Western democracies have yet to confront. Make no mistake, Israel’s battle today will determine how we all live tomorrow.

Ron Prosor is Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations.

Edited July 31, 2014 by khwaidee1

[Pooky 3,786]

I don't think the world is buying the Israel is bombing schools and killing kids BS.

And yet the overwhelming majority of comments I see from friends back in the UK are vehemently anti-Israel, bordering on disturbingly so.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And yet the overwhelming majority of comments I see from friends back in the UK are vehemently anti-Israel, bordering on disturbingly so.

In this conflict, it is obvious that Hamas started the conflict by sending rockets into Israel. On top of that they obviously stage the attacks from schools and hospitals, hoping the counter battery fire hits them, sothey can post pictures of dying kids all over the internet. They caused the deaths, just as sure as if they had bombed them themselves.

I have read some good debate back and forth on here, that at least, opens the door to some debate, that Israel has been less than humanitarian in their treatment of those people. That is debatable and I am not knowledgeable enough about the facts to have a strong opinion, one way or the other.

I don't think the Tactics of Hamas are debatable.

[mota bhai 2,675]

And yet the overwhelming majority of comments I see from friends back in the UK are vehemently anti-Israel, bordering on disturbingly so.

Europe has a troubled relationship with the Jews.

In this conflict, it is obvious that Hamas started the conflict by sending rockets into Israel. On top of that they obviously stage the attacks from schools and hospitals, hoping the counter battery fire hits them, sothey can post pictures of dying kids all over the internet. They caused the deaths, just as sure as if they had bombed them themselves.

I have read some good debate back and forth on here, that at least, opens the door to some debate, that Israel has been less than humanitarian in their treatment of those people. That is debatable and I am not knowledgeable enough about the facts to have a strong opinion, one way or the other.

I don't think the Tactics of Hamas are debatable.

Hillary made this point earlier and she was absolutely right. Gaza is simply too small with too many weapons and too many people to not have a lot of civilian deaths. It's pretty much impossible. Israel had two choices here. 1 - survival at the cost of an ugly war in Gaza which would kill lots of innocents; 2 - the end of Israel as a Jewish state.

They made the right choice. The only choice, really.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And yet the overwhelming majority of comments I see from friends back in the UK are vehemently anti-Israel, bordering on disturbingly so.

And I will add I have a very myopic view of world events

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Europe has a troubled relationship with the Jews.

And it continues apparently.

France mulls ban on radical Jewish group

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Paris (AFP) - France is considering disbanding a radical Jewish group whose members clashed with pro-Palestinian activists during rallies over Israel's offensive in Gaza, a source close to the case told AFP on Thursday.

News of the mooted ban on the Jewish Defence League (LDJ) came just ahead of an evening pro-Israel demonstration outside the Jewish state's embassy, located near the French prime minister's office.

Police said around 4,500 people joined the rally called by the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France (CRIF). Another 1,000 gathered at the Great Synagogue in Lyon.

They were held in response to weeks of pro-Palestinian protests that have been marred by clashes, arrests and allegations of anti-Semitism in which synagogues were targeted and Israeli flags burnt.

The presence of charged-up JDL activists on the sidelines of recent rallies has been seen as one of the reasons they turned violent, with clashes outside a synagogue on July 13 leading to a ban on subsequent pro-Palestinian protests.

A source close to the case confirmed to AFP a report by French newspaper Liberation that steps were being taken to disband the LDJ, saying: "We are carrying out an extremely fine analysis of the law."

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Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve did not specifically refer to the LDJ but said on Thursday that "any group that can pose a problem" or did not abide by the law would be banned.

The CRIF's head Roger Cukierman distanced his group from the LDJ as news of the possible ban emerged, saying: "We share neither their ideology nor their methods."

"It's a tiny organisation comprising a few dozen members from what I know," he said, but expressed surprise that the government was not planning to ban "pro-Palestinian groups which have tried to vandalise eight synagogues in the Paris region."

The main Jewish students' union echoed that view. Its head Sacha Reingewirtz said: "I condemn all forms of extremism... but if the government disbands it (the LDJ), it should also ban all the radical groups behind recent anti-Semitic violence."

Police kept a firm grip on Thursday's pro-Israel demonstrations in Paris and Lyon.

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"There have unfortunately been many protests where we have heard hatred of Israel and Jews," said Joel Mergui, president of the Israelite Central Consistory of France.

"Tonight, with this gathering, there is no hatred of Palestinian people. There is hatred of a terrorist movement whose objective is the 'Final Solution' for the Jewish people."

- LDJ's actions 'excessive' -

Last week, Interior Minister Cazeneuve said the French LDJ's actions were "excessive" and "should be condemned".

The French LDJ denies breaking laws, but it takes inspiration from the far-right Jewish Defense League, labelled a terrorist organisation by the United States' FBI in 2001.

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It also uses the emblem of a banned Israeli far-right party, the Kach, a raised fist inside a black Star of David, set against a yellow background.

The Gaza conflict has stirred up huge passions in France -- home to the largest Muslim and Jewish communities in western Europe with around five million Muslims and half a million Jews.

While many protests around the country have gone smoothly, some demonstrations in Paris and the northern suburb town of Sarcelles have descended into chaos and looting in which Jewish businesses were targeted.

French far-left and Muslim leaders have been calling for action against the LDJ, with the French Muslim council branding it "an extremist, racist and violent association."

The government has come under attack for banning some demonstrations, while far-right leader Marine Le Pen has blasted the ruling Socialists for failing to stem "riots in the heart of Paris".

"We must protect the right to demonstrate but from the moment that the state takes a decision to ban a rally they must provide the powers so that the ban is respected," the National Front leader said.

"We ask policemen to confine troublemakers within a specific perimeter but... neither to arrest them nor to burn or break everything," she said on Thursday.

Scores of people have been arrested following the riots and unrest that marked most of the Gaza demonstrations in and around Paris.

[Pooky 3,786]

In this conflict, it is obvious that Hamas started the conflict by sending rockets into Israel. On top of that they obviously stage the attacks from schools and hospitals, hoping the counter battery fire hits them, sothey can post pictures of dying kids all over the internet. They caused the deaths, just as sure as if they had bombed them themselves.

I have read some good debate back and forth on here, that at least, opens the door to some debate, that Israel has been less than humanitarian in their treatment of those people. That is debatable and I am not knowledgeable enough about the facts to have a strong opinion, one way or the other.

I don't think the Tactics of Hamas are debatable.

The reaction to the deaths at the UNWRA school was almost wholly one-sided. The discovery of Rockets and other munitions in their facilities and their subsequent handing over to Hamas were totally ignored.

For a UN organisation to be basically complicit in acts of terror is unforgivable. To tout these establishments as safe havens, once it became known that some were being used for munitions storage, is tantamount to UNWRA sanctioning the use of civilians as human shields. Then to take to social media and condemn the attack as an atrocity is beyond belief. The UN cannot allow itself to become partisan in this conflict, nor can it turn a blind eye to its own actions.

[Póg mo 1,749]

The Israeli propaganda machine never quits does it. You swear it was Hamas dropping bombs on children in Gaza.

[mota bhai 2,675]

They're dropping rockets but unfortunately for them they're not bright enough to beat Iron Dome.

[OriZ 3,157]

The Israeli propaganda machine never quits does it. You swear it was Hamas dropping bombs on children in Gaza.

Actually, at times, they have.

Over 100 of the rockets they were shooting at Israel misfired and killed civilians in Gaza. But they insist on counting them as casualties Israel caused.

Also, those:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/27/report-hamas-used-ceasefire-to-execute-25-gazans-accused-of-treachery-blamed-israel-for-deaths/

http://unitedwithisrael.org/hamas-murders-gaza-civilians-for-opposing-terror/

[OriZ 3,157]

Yesterday one of the stories thrust into the mainstream media was nearly simultaneous explosions in a Palestinian neighborhood and at al-Shifa hospital.

The media immediately took the Hamas line that it was Israeli missiles. Later, the IDF stated that it had not fired on those locations, and that the explosions were misfired Hamas or Islamic Jihad missiles.

The media played it as he said, he said.

But an Italian journalist has just left Gaza and is telling the truth about what happened now that he needs not fear Hamas retaliation — Israel was right.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/media-cover-up-of-hamas-crimes-starting-to-unravel/

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UN aid agency for Palestinian refugees said Tuesday that a stockpile of Hamas rockets was found in one of UNRWA’s Gaza schools — for the third time since the onset of Operation Protective Edge

Read more: Rockets found in UNRWA school, for third time | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/rockets-found-in-unrwa-school-for-third-time/#ixzz396gYGJTk

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