Lois Lerner Called Conservatives ‘A**holes,’ Fantasized About Working At Obama Group

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

We may never know the full extent of her misuse of her authority at the IRS because of a) her (mis)use of the 5th amendment (sorry: folks in government should NOT be able to use this to cover up misdeeds on the job against citizens!), b) the fact the government 'retired' her in the nick of time, making her immune to most forms of legal pursuit (hey: she's no longer a 'functionary'), and c) the fact that AG Holder is playing 'goalie' for the preznit: refusing to appoint a special prosecutor in the case, thus making sure no-one is allowed to consider all the facts of what actually happened. Holder needs to go to jail for this and many other abuses.

If you have a shred of objectivity, you can at least admit that what Lerner did looks pretty damning, and points to an abuse of the IRS' supposedly nonpartisan role in government.

In the eyes of a person that inundates himself with nothing but right wing garbage, I will never seem to have any objectivity. You see, when you look at the world from that far right coner that you seem to have strapped yourself into, everything looks to be to your left. Unstrap yourself, show some courage and check out the center and you will get something you are sorely missing: proper perspective.

That said, Lois Lerner is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Period.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[Teddy B 17,252]

I actually tried that a few weeks ago. its a pretty tasty combo.

It's an excellent combination of fried and sweet. We've got a local diner here that makes a nice chicken n waffles.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It boggles the mind just how little some people appreciate individual rights around here - unless it's the second amendment, of course.

In her role cooperating with a lawful investigation is expected. You are walking down the road and a cop tries to detain you for no reason, not so much

You are confusing the role of "individual" rights One is exercising your fourth amendment right

The other is exercising your fifth amendment right, to not incriminate ones self. In order to not incriminate ones self, one has to have something to be incriminated of, unlike exercising your 4th which is a fishing expedition Surely a man of your vast understanding can understand that , her rights under the 4th have already been established, and the she is obstructing justice.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

In the eyes of a person that inundates himself with nothing but right wing garbage, I will never seem to have any objectivity. You see, when you look at the world from that far right coner that you seem to have strapped yourself into, everything looks to be to your left. Unstrap yourself, show some courage and check out the center and you will get something you are sorely missing: proper perspective.

That said, Lois Lerner is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Period.

You are Korrect, until proven guilty, under law. However a reasonable person can still conclude from the evidence she is hiding a lot.

Odd your proven guilty under law did not apply to GZ, whom you had measured for an Orange suit and cell.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Not in these United States. You're mistaken.

in every country that offers protection from self incrimination.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

In her role cooperating with a lawful investigation is expected. You are walking down the road and a cop tries to detain you for no reason, not so much

You are confusing the role of "individual" rights One is exercising your fourth amendment right

The other is exercising your fifth amendment right, to not incriminate ones self. In order to not incriminate ones self, one has to have something to be incriminated of, unlike exercising your 4th which is a fishing expedition Surely a man of your vast understanding can understand that , her rights under the 4th have already been established, and the she is obstructing justice.

I'm not confusing anything. You, on the other hand, appear to confuse the USA with a totalitarian regime that does not grant any rights to its subjects.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You are Korrect, until proven guilty, under law. However a reasonable person can still conclude from the evidence she is hiding a lot.

Odd your proven guilty under law did not apply to GZ, whom you had measured for an Orange suit and cell.

You can conclude anything you want - this is a free country, after all. But your conclusions do not make Lois Lerner a criminal. And that does apply to Mr. Z all the same. None of the conclusions I had drawn about him make him a criminal.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I'm not confusing anything. You, on the other hand, appear to confuse the USA with a totalitarian regime that does not grant any rights to its subjects.

correct. you're not confusing anything. you're knowingly dancing around the obvious truth.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

correct. you're not confusing anything. you're knowingly dancing around the obvious truth.

I'm not dancing around anything. I am stating the obvious truth that in this country, Lois Lerner is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That's not a dance, it's a fact. Maybe you have some confusion to address on your end?

[UncleBeer 244]

Lois Lerner is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

And as long as the preznit and his minions shamelessly destroy evidence and obfuscate the investigation, we're free to draw whatever conclusions we want. 76% of Americans think the preznit's administration deliberately destroyed those emails. Since he claimed his administration would be all about the "rule of law, and transparency", you'd think he'd be eager to clear this up, eh?

"Chicago Jesus" indeed.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

correct. you're not confusing anything. you're knowingly dancing around the obvious truth.

The dances that are done around here by our Obama deniers, would make Fred Astaire jealous

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm not dancing around anything. I am stating the obvious truth that in this country, Lois Lerner is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That's not a dance, it's a fact. Maybe you have some confusion to address on your end?

Korrect "innocent of a crime under the law"

But you will agree the overwhelming evidence thus far presented, is not favorable to her. The 5th amnd gives a right to not incriminate one self. Obliviously she chooses that route

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The dances that are done around here by our Obama deniers, would make Fred Astaire jealous

There are the Obama deniers again. What is a Obama denier? I asked that before and don't think you ever answered? Do they deny Obama exists? Do they deny he's the President? Do they deny he's eligible to be President? I'm asking because at least for the latter crowd, we already coined a phrase - we call them birthers.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Korrect "innocent of a crime under the law"

But you will agree the overwhelming evidence thus far presented, is not favorable to her. The 5th amnd gives a right to not incriminate one self. Obliviously she chooses that route

One has the right to be silent. Exercising that right does not make one any more or less guilty nor does it impact one's presumtion of innocence in any way. I've just come back from jury duty where I spent the last few days on a jury in a criminal case. Believe me when I say that the attorneys - both the state and the defense - went over this in great detail. They thought it was very important that everyone on the jury not only understood this concept but also fully subscribed to it. I most certainly do. Not sure about you and some others here on that point. Sometimes us immigrants are more American than you guys that have been born and raised here.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I'm not dancing around anything. I am stating the obvious truth that in this country, Lois Lerner is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That's not a dance, it's a fact. Maybe you have some confusion to address on your end?

no confusion on my end.