Visa overstays get amnesty... They break the law, and then get to stay...

[Sousuke 1,214]

How is Robespierre a founding father of the US?

I consider him a founding father of France...sort of.

[JohnR! 5,495]

IMHO Robespierre represented everything the French Revolution stood against.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Steven and Val are for illegal immigration, so I say send 6 million to each of their houses.

[Sousuke 1,214]

IMHO Robespierre represented everything the French Revolution stood against.

I guess my point is, he made heads roll. We need alittle of that.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I guess my point is, he made heads roll. We need alittle of that.

I can agree with both... I only question his MO...

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I always enjoy it when the move a busy thread here. All those new to us get dumped in the middle of Frey.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Things I have learned from this thread:

1. Brown menace is REAL, yo. They are taking all your stuff and playing VERY LOUD AY YI YI MUSIC!
2. Totes cool to recommend two anti-legal immigration websites as supporting your belief that illegals be takin' yo stuff. Because when Numbers USA and FAIR are talking about no new immigrants, even the legal ones, they're not talking about your honey bunch.
3. Love Baba. Nuff said.
4. Hamilton was the dreamiest of our founding fathers.

[JohnR! 5,495]

You pretty much nailed it, oh wise Maven!!!!

Word!

+100!!!!!

Things I have learned from this thread:

• Brown menace is REAL, yo. They are taking all your stuff and playing VERY LOUD AY YI YI MUSIC!
• Totes cool to recommend two anti-legal immigration websites as supporting your belief that illegals be takin' yo stuff. Because when Numbers USA and FAIR are talking about no new immigrants, even the legal ones, they're not talking about your honey bunch.
• Love Baba. Nuff said.
• Hamilton was the dreamiest of our founding fathers.

[Karee 4,191]

I agree with you. My husband has been in consulate level AP for over a year with no sunshine. They were pissed off at me this summer for going to the embassy and asking why, while others get to do what they want. It is a kick in the stomach and it hurts because soo many of us are suffering while those who are not doing it right get the most attention. Please tell me your proposal and I will follow.

You would have been better off giving him a plane ticket to Juarez and buying him an inner tube.

[rlogan 2,036]

What's your alternative proposal to deal with 11 million undocumented people? Whatever it is, I 100% guarantee it is not feasible.

This is outstanding for asking the wrong question.

The question is what to do for LEGAL immigrants to make it easier for THEM instead of making it so damned difficult. The reason why people just march across the border is because legal immigration is so damned expensive and difficult.

Why make us pay and not them? Eliminate our fees or else start charging people money for admission. Why do we need fingerprints every six months? How about just once? Stop rejecting us if the petitioner smoked pot once in their lifetime or any number of other provisions you put upon us but not upon them.

Making legal immigration easier and illegal immigration harder will end up producing way more legal immigration than illegal. The government is doing it exactly backwards: making illegal immigration vastly easier than legal. So therefore you get huge waves of illegal immigration.

Those 11 million illegals - what to do with them? Well how about asking what causes them in the first place instead of acting as if they are some big mystery unrelated to our policies.

Edited July 29, 2014 by rlogan

[ggsacks 82]

No, it's not.

I am not asking anything to do with immigration reform, law, policy, what have you. I am asking what the OP proposed to do about the 11 million people already here. What caused this situation is not what I am talking about. Because no matter the reason, the situation already exists and making it harder for people to enter the country illegally does absolutely nothing to solve that situation.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I agree with you. My husband has been in consulate level AP for over a year with no sunshine. They were pissed off at me this summer for going to the embassy and asking why, while others get to do what they want. It is a kick in the stomach and it hurts because soo many of us are suffering while those who are not doing it right get the most attention. Please tell me your proposal and I will follow.

Serious question: How many of the folks that immigrate via "lawful" family/marriage channels do so fraudulently? I can tell you that the number cannot be insignificant. I personally know dozens of stories of how people used the same lawful paths that members on this board are using to bring people here. Only, those aren't actually bona fide couples. Some regions of the world have more of those frauds, others have less. That's the reality of it all and that's why people have a hard time bringing their loved ones here on a K1, CR1, K3, whatever from certain parts of the world. I was just as pizzed off about it when I tried to get my wife here more than a decade ago and many times after while going through the process of her eventually becoming a US citizen. It's painful and it sucks. But the fact of the matter is that a percentage of engagements and marriages - a percentage that varies greatly by region or country of origin - are a total scam. That's a fact. And that is what drives the processes and the varying scrutiny around the acquisition of these visas.

And all that talk about bringing one's spouse here as an illegal migrant and have him or her benefit from all the supposedly posh benefits and the supposedly ease of the process that that segment of migrants supposedly enjoys is just the hurt of the wait talking. Nobody seriously believes that it would be easier that way. How do I know? Because none of those proclaiming that it would be easier, cheaper, better, faster, whathaveyou are actually ever going down that path. They wouldn't in a million years. And there's a reason beyond that being illegal why they don't. And that reason is that deep inside they all know that that path ain't easier, cheaper, better, faster or whathaveyou. That path is the suck that none of those that truly love their fiance(e) or spouse would ever even consider putting them through.

Now y'all continue with y'alls rants.

Edited July 29, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[decocker 7,198]

Steven and Val are for illegal immigration, so I say send 6 million to each of their houses.

i'm not for illegal immigration. we've been over this.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

i'm not for illegal immigration. we've been over this.

Sure you are, you think they should be given amensty and be allowed citizenship. And if that is allowed, the border flooding will continue. Everyone will come for amnesty. And I'm not talking about the children.

[decocker 7,198]

Sure you are, you think they should be given amensty and be allowed citizenship. And if that is allowed, the border flooding will continue. Everyone will come for amnesty. And I'm not talking about the children.

if i supported illegal immigration, i would want everything to stay as it is.

bit of arrogance on our part, like "everyone" wants to live here. that isn't the case.