Visa overstays get amnesty... They break the law, and then get to stay...

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Secure the border, stop the flood, fix the system for people immigrating legally, THEN figure out a system to give LPR status to those already here illegally. No citizenship or voting rights. Set a date for policy to take effect, and any children born AFTER this date will be US citizens and have voting rights. That takes care of the problem of one party gaining new members as there will be no new voters for 18 years.

This must be done to stop a rush of illegals trying to get here to beat the buzzer.

They need to go back home for legal status. Sorry. I can't approve of anyone going through less hurt and pain that what my husband and I are going through and continue to go through.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

:thumbs: Been my position short of(total) deportation which according to some has racist views

Total deportation will never work. I honestly think that this would be a very good compromise if implemented correctly. The no voting and no citizenship are key points, especially to those of us who have followed the process legally. In 18 years, there will be a new generation of voters who have spent their lives here and will be able to make their own decisions instead of being baited by dangling a carrot in front of them as is the case currently.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

As long as they are in the U.S. and didn't get a visa from abroad like everyone else, they should never have a chance to become a U.S. citizen. The children should never be born as U.S. citizens. Legal residency only.

[UncleBeer 244]

Thirty off-topic posts have been removed

All the posts in this thread were at least tangentially relevant. If mods want to go looking for REAL off-topic posts, there's plenty of them that are entirely left alone by admin; they devolve to "I like eggplant" and "so's your old man" and such. At least this thread stayed on politics.

Really: time for a real VJ mod overhaul. Or at least have them live by their own rules.

Secure the border, stop the flood, fix the system for people immigrating legally

i can agree with you to this extent.

[JohnR! 5,495]

As long as they are in the U.S. and didn't get a visa from abroad like everyone else, they should never have a chance to become a U.S. citizen. The children should never be born as U.S. citizens. Legal residency only.

That would require a constitutional amendment.

[B & G 200]

As long as they are in the U.S. and didn't get a visa from abroad like everyone else, they should never have a chance to become a U.S. citizen. The children should never be born as U.S. citizens. Legal residency only.

What about people that adjust status withing the US? They wont have a visa from abroad, shouldn't they have the chance to become U.S. citizens?

[rlogan 2,036]

doing what's best for the country, not for 2 political parties vying for new voters.

Frankly, the math is not in our favor.

There's about a million of us a year being persecuted by the legal immigration nightmare. There's 12 million awaiting amnesty. Multiply that divide by three because for every one of them they have a couple of people that want to see them get green cards because they employ them, are their great friend or romantic interest, etc.

We do too, but in terms of sheer political numbers its like 36 million on their team and 3 million on our team. Doing what's right is unthinkable politically. Listen to legal immigrants? What for?

[JohnR! 5,495]

What about people that adjust status withing the US? They wont have a visa from abroad, shouldn't they have the chance to become U.S. citizens?

You raise an interesting point. There are a great number of misinformed individuals who falsely claim that DACA is responsible for all ailments of our immigration system, but no one has statistics as to how may enter the US on non-dual purpose visas or VWP, and decide to AOS.

IMHO we should also put an end to in-country AOS to prevent anyone from being placed at the front of the line. If we can secure the borders and stop the influx of undocumented immigrants, we should also put a stop at the abuse stateside AOS represents.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Frankly, the math is not in our favor.

There's about a million of us a year being persecuted by the legal immigration nightmare. There's 12 million awaiting amnesty. Multiply that divide by three because for every one of them they have a couple of people that want to see them get green cards because they employ them, are their great friend or romantic interest, etc.

We do too, but in terms of sheer political numbers its like 36 million on their team and 3 million on our team. Doing what's right is unthinkable politically. Listen to legal immigrants? What for?

Reduce that number and do away with certain visa categories. Family category visas should only be issued to native born US citizens. There is no reason for the parents or siblings of naturalized US citizens to be eligible for greencards. I never understood the rationale behind that and it is also something that is widely abused. If an alien decides to marry a US citizen and relocate to the US it is their choice and there shouldn't be any derived privileges to parents or siblings. Let's get the house in order.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You raise an interesting point. There are a great number of misinformed individuals who falsely claim that DACA is responsible for all ailments of our immigration system, but no one has statistics as to how may enter the US on non-dual purpose visas or VWP, and decide to AOS.

IMHO we should also put an end to in-country AOS to prevent anyone from being placed at the front of the line. If we can secure the borders and stop the influx of undocumented immigrants, we should also put a stop at the abuse stateside AOS represents.

Newsflash: People who adjust status from within the US are NOT placed at the front of the line. They take the same spot at the end of the line as anyone else. I can attest to that as I have done so myself many years ago. Putting an end to adjusting status from within the US would also be a hardship for K-1 beneficiaries and their USC petitioners. After all, K-1s end up doing just that today - adjusting status from within the US.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You mean to say that if I were to pay their way to come over legally they would prefer that? Well duh.

Or are you trying to say that they don't sneak over because it is the easiest and cheapest way to get here?

I'm saying it's by and large the only way for them to get here. They don't have any legal path available to them.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Newsflash: People who adjust status from within the US are NOT placed at the front of the line. They take the same spot at the end of the line as anyone else. I can attest to that as I have done so myself many years ago. Putting an end to adjusting status from within the US would also be a hardship for K-1 beneficiaries and their USC petitioners. After all, K-1s end up doing just that today - adjusting status from within the US.

:thumbs:

Thanks for the testimonial and I also believe that to be the case. The implication being that the DREAMers didn't make it to the front of the line as purported by many. Everyone goes to the end of the line until their number is up.

On the stateside AOS, that would not include K-1s for they are entering the US with the purpose of AOS. It is not a decision made on the spur of the moment.

Edited August 3, 2014 by JohnR!

[Karee 4,190]

Newsflash: People who adjust status from within the US are NOT placed at the front of the line. They take the same spot at the end of the line as anyone else. I can attest to that as I have done so myself many years ago. Putting an end to adjusting status from within the US would also be a hardship for K-1 beneficiaries and their USC petitioners. After all, K-1s end up doing just that today - adjusting status from within the US.

He's referring to people that come here on non-immigrant visas that are not designed for adjustment of status, but you already knew that. A K-1 visa is a non-immigrant visa with immigrant intent. A B-1, B-2, or VWP is not. When going through CBP with a K-1 visa tell the agent that you're here to get married and adjust status for a green card. They'll tell you congratulations and welcome to the U.S.A. Come here on a B-1,B-2, or VWP and tell the CBP agent that, and you'll be on the next flight back to where you came from.

You're out of your realm when discussing the immigrations process. Stick to something you know about like the DNC talking points.

Only you could bring me to take Gegel's side in a debate. Congratulations!

[B & G 200]

He's referring to people that come here on non-immigrant visas that are not designed for adjustment of status, but you already knew that. A K-1 visa is a non-immigrant visa with immigrant intent. A B-1, B-2, or VWP is not. When going through CBP with a K-1 visa tell the agent that you're here to get married and adjust status for a green card. They'll tell you congratulations and welcome to the U.S.A. Come here on a B-1,B-2, or VWP and tell the CBP agent that, and you'll be on the next flight back to where you came from.

You're out of your realm when discussing the immigrations process. Stick to something you know about like the DNC talking points.

Only you could bring me to take Gegel's side in a debate. Congratulations!

I'm sorry but I don't see the harm of been able to AOS within the US on B1/B2 or from VWP. And I am not talking about a person lying at POE, I am talking about the few that do genuinely go to the US, meet someone, and fall in love. (regardless of the arguments of how can you decided to marry someone after only knowing them for a few weeks)

This rings of the mentality, well I had it hard.. why does it have to be so easy for you??

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He's referring to people that come here on non-immigrant visas that are not designed for adjustment of status, but you already knew that. A K-1 visa is a non-immigrant visa with immigrant intent. A B-1, B-2, or VWP is not. When going through CBP with a K-1 visa tell the agent that you're here to get married and adjust status for a green card. They'll tell you congratulations and welcome to the U.S.A. Come here on a B-1,B-2, or VWP and tell the CBP agent that, and you'll be on the next flight back to where you came from.

You're out of your realm when discussing the immigrations process. Stick to something you know about like the DNC talking points.

Only you could bring me to take Gegel's side in a debate. Congratulations!

I did know that. I was one of those very people back in the day that came here under the VWP with no intent to stay here but later ended up adjusting status. This stuff really happens. It's not a scam and it's not unlawful. It's perfectly legal. Now, if you believe that that path somehow got me to the front of the line when adjusting status, then it is YOU who is out of his realm discussing the immigration process. The fact of the matter is that I did not get to go to the front of the line and neither has anyone else that has gone down that path. I and everyone else that lawfully immigrated in that manner had to take their place at the end of the line and that hasn't changed. That's just a simple fact. And now you know.