If we did election over today, Romney would trounce Obama: Nationwide Poll

[Teddy B 17,252]

Did not you just say yesterday, you don't understand how people could attack someone just for having a different view point. or words to that effect ?

I believe I said it's comical how some people vilify other people simply for having different beliefs. You can find the exact quote if you'd like. But what's your point? Have I vilified anyone here?

[decocker 7,198]

I had a family member that was getting like $5k a year via the EITC a few years ago. Not too mention all the school loans and grants etc. that were never paid back and were guaranteed by the govt.

were they working?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I believe I said it's comical how some people vilify other people simply for having different beliefs. You can find the exact quote if you'd like. But what's your point? Have I vilified anyone here?

That sounds about right.

Of course you have not. Making personal comments about their intelligence level is not vilifying anyone is it ? Nor is calling someones comments vile and pathetic a personal attack. It's amazing to me just how un self aware many of you are. SMH

[Karee 4,190]

were they working?

I believe she was waitressing part time. There was also something about not being able to marry her father's children because then they would count his income or something like that. The whole thing was setup so that she could get the maximum amount of free stuff possible, by doing as little as possible. The govt. was right there to oblige. It was quite an eye-opener for me. The school loan thing for online classes was another great scam, but I wont go into that one here.

[Teddy B 17,252]

That sounds about right.

Of course you have not. Making personal comments about their intelligence level is not vilifying anyone is it ? Nor is calling someones comments vile and pathetic a personal attack. It's amazing to me just how un self aware many of you are. SMH

No, it's not actually, especially when it was a retort to a previous insult. But you chose to focus on my retort rather than what garnered my reaction. You really should be a mod here.

The context in which my statement about vilifying someone was in reference to how some people make it their lifes work belittling and degrading one particular person, like what certain posters do here to Obama.

And btw:

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[Karee 4,190]

I believe I said it's comical how some people vilify other people simply for having different beliefs. You can find the exact quote if you'd like. But what's your point? Have I vilified anyone here?

When Gegel is +1ing you, that's a bad sign.

[Umka36 781]

"Paying" taxes by having them deducted from a paycheck and getting a refund for at least the same amount at the end of the year is not paying taxes at all.

Absolutely wrong thinking about taxes. And I am talking income taxes here, that's the biggie. Every time in a discussion like this someone brings up the fact that low earners people pay sales taxes, or some other miniscule tax. We all pay those taxes, including the rich. Sales taxes and income taxes are in no way equivalent in terms of dollars. And certainly high income citizens pay much more in sales taxes that low wage earners, anyway. This is a red herring designed to deflect the argument away from the fact that we have millions and millions paying no income taxes at all. (And that's the definition of "freeloader", Teddy.)

Sales tax is regressive, so is that fair to those not so fortunate to make higher wages? This would be ridiculous, but what if we apply the so called "flat tax" when people buy thing based on their income then. Would that be fair? Everyone is benefiting welfare in some form or another. I would rather see people get temporary assistance to get them off their feet, than let say steal from me because they are desperate. I get the fact that no system is perfect, and their will always be people who abuse the system.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

There's also a nice little nugget in the tax code called the Earned Income Tax Credit. That allows people that don't pay any federal income taxes, to get money back from the government simply by generating children.

So what your saying is that because he made one statement that was taken out of context that it should define his whole campaign? Kinda like "You didn't build that, the government did"

How could it be out of context? It's not my job to care about them. Isn't that what he said? He didn't think to reach out to that voter base, because as he put it, he can't change their minds. How does he know that? Is he a mind reader? Maybe, just maybe, there are folks out there that can be reached, but with this mindset, how can you accomplish that goal if you've given up before you take the first swing. It's flat out lazy, and you know it. Just another excuse to bypass folks you don't want to deal with.

Some conservatives rant and rave about work and personal responsibility, it's the party line. If Romney went to those places where he wasn't expected to go, folks might have said, he cares about us, the little people. Those voices that are often ignored. And they proved in that last election, they are just as important as anyone else.

Obama has stuck his foot in his mouth a few times, and has been called out about it. The same thing about clinging to guns and religion, which bit him in the butt.

[Teddy B 17,252]

When Gegel is +1ing you, that's a bad sign.

Just because the dude has an unlimited vocabulary, most of which you don't understand, does not make him a bad person.

[JohnR! 5,495]

How could it be out of context? It's not my job to care about them. Isn't that what he said? He didn't think to reach out to that voter base, because as he put it, he can't change their minds. How does he know that? Is he a mind reader? Maybe, just maybe, there are folks out there that can be reached, but with this mindset, how can you accomplish that goal if you've given up before you take the first swing. It's flat out lazy, and you know it. Just another excuse to bypass folks you don't want to deal with.

Some conservatives rant and rave about work and personal responsibility, it's the party line. If Romney went to those places where he wasn't expected to go, folks might have said, he cares about us, the little people. Those voices that are often ignored. And they proved in that last election, they are just as important as anyone else.

Obama has stuck his foot in his mouth a few times, and has been called out about it. The same thing about clinging to guns and religion, which bit him in the butt.

The reality is that Romney was caught on camera discarding about 47% of the American people as freeloaders. It would have been a miracle if he had been elected after alienating half of the country in such a swift and undeniable manner.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Sorry but you are talking about a perfect world, with unlimited funds and time with which to run a campaign. It is never done like that, unfortunately.

How does one win a campaign? They only cater to the people that will vote for them? Obama hit the rich and the poor, guess he can multi-task.

[unsmiley 111]

No, it's not actually, especially when it was a retort to a previous insult. But you chose to focus on my retort rather than what garnered my reaction. You really should be a mod here.

The context in which my statement about vilifying someone was in reference to how some people make it their lifes work belittling and degrading one particular person, like what certain posters do here to Obama.

Sorry but I never insulted you. Just because you do not agree with my position is no reason for the personal attacks.

We are trying to have a discussion. We may denigrate third parties - no problem with that - but never the participants in a supposedly civilized discussion.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Just because the dude has an unlimited vocabulary, most of which you don't understand, does not make him a bad person.

And yet, all of it available online, and free of charge at www.m-w.com

[Karee 4,190]

How could it be out of context? It's not my job to care about them. Isn't that what he said? He didn't think to reach out to that voter base, because as he put it, he can't change their minds. How does he know that? Is he a mind reader? Maybe, just maybe, there are folks out there that can be reached, but with this mindset, how can you accomplish that goal if you've given up before you take the first swing. It's flat out lazy, and you know it. Just another excuse to bypass folks you don't want to deal with.

Some conservatives rant and rave about work and personal responsibility, it's the party line. If Romney went to those places where he wasn't expected to go, folks might have said, he cares about us, the little people. Those voices that are often ignored. And they proved in that last election, they are just as important as anyone else.

Obama has stuck his foot in his mouth a few times, and has been called out about it. The same thing about clinging to guns and religion, which bit him in the butt.

Again he said in the context that they wouldn't vote for him, not that he didn't care about them. It's pretty clear if you watch the video. As far as going to places he wasn't expected to go, have you seen what happens when a conservative goes to an NAACP convention. I suspect you have. I'm at work right now paying for all these folks to sit on their azz so I don't have time to find the video, but I'm sure it's pretty easy to find.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Sorry but I never insulted you. Just because you do not agree with my position is no reason for the personal attacks.

We are trying to have a discussion. We may denigrate third parties - no problem with that - but never the participants in a supposedly civilized discussion.

Oh really? I guess I got my "mindset' all wrong, eh?

And how about that other liberal classic: "It is your patriotic duty to pay taxes." But I guess to people of your mindset these only apply to "non hard-working white collar" workers. What a joke.