When Do you Think Enough Evidence Is Enuff!!

[Ta Ta 1]

Good info...thanks Kitkat. a lot here can use that address.

[NaijaPrincess Need NaijaPrince 0]

Thanks for trying to help. However I called The Office of Int'l Operations and was told that that is their specialty is NOT dealing with immigration. They are a go between the Dept of State and military operations abroad.

I am in contact with the Dept. of Homeland Security, Jesse Jackson & Congress's committee on Africa and Global Health. I will let everyone know how they turn out.

When you don't have the means to hire an attorney or travel back and forth, you do what you can.

As a US Citizen you have the right to file a petition for your fiance or spouse. An approved petition allows your fiance or spouse the priviledge of interviewing for an immigrant visa. Unfortunately, being a US citizen does not give you the right to say " who comes into the country". That is the job of the US Consulate and the Department of Homeland Security.

If your husband was treated rudely and poorly by a consulate employee, which clearly he was, you have the right to complain, either to American Citizens services at the Consulate directly or by getting in touch with the Director of the International USCIS offices.

All USCIS office websites have contact information for complaints -- have you tried to contact someone in DC? Might be worth the effort to locate a phone number. Good luck.

If you feel you were mistreated by an immigration employee, or wish to make a complaint of misconduct by an immigration employee, you may write to the District Director, or write directly to the

Director, Office of International Operations

20 Massachusetts Ave., NW

Suite 3300

Washington, DC 20529

Or write to the Director, Office of Internal Audit, 425 I Street, NW, Room 3260, Washington, DC 20536.

[Private 1]

I WANT TO COMPLAIN TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE. I called and nobody knows how does what. You do not just have the laws of the US but also International Laws. The government is using this war on terror to discriminate. I personal think that if they followed the rules that they made it would be better. They are suppose to investigate go out in the neighborhood and find out things. I also believe that the folks that are married to citizens should not get citizenship and they should not be able to stay if it all goes away. I have heard some very bad things and it seems like the fake people are better planned and will be able to BS them all the way to citizenship. I would be concerned if the person knew everything about the petitioner and I would make the effort to confirm some of my answers. Like call the US citizen, I really believe that they should go after those that are found ot be fuard. If they do this trust a lot of people would not even want to come and go through the knowledge that they may get kick out.

[jms 0]

When the CO abuses my husband he is abusing me as well. I am aware that Nigeria has fraud but the point is there is no more fraud in Nigeria than in America. US Embassys are known world wide for denying countries of dark color. Nigeria's government may be corupt but look at our own!!! A fraudulant government will invade Iraq and tell its own country men that it is for the good of Iraq. But in reality it is to make him and his stupid buddies well worth billions of dollars. Don't believe watch in the up and coming years.

For your information, my husband and I have given them every piece of evidence imagine. It is that I am not rich and he is not rich so we get this run around. Believe me, the experience that we have had we will not be cuddling on the couch but marching for others so they don't have to go through this unreasonable ######!!!

Also, my husband went for his CR1 interview on Thursday which he was invited to by the Embassy. The CO looked him in the face laughed and asked him what he was doing there and gave him a denial without looking at any evidence. Now if anyone can sit up here and tell me that what that CO did was correct, please tell me what type of "crack" you are smoking. I sure need what you are smoking!!!

THAT WAS VERY RUDE & UNCALLED FOR!!!

However, nobody has the " right" to go to any country just because they married someone or want to. I WILL BE DAMNED. I PAY TAXES & CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTRY'S WELL BEING!!!

Unfortunately, Nigeria is all about fraud and it is because of their fraudulent gov't that they go to such means to escape a country which is getting continuously worse all the time with people starving, fighting over scarce fuel like animals, and doing what they can to survive. Jobs are scarce and there are so many highy educated people that the young new college people are finding ways to scam people and it works often and they get money so they continue doing it. It is easy to get the email addresses of people like us at internet cafes because often the power goes off before a person can sign off or someone looks over their shoulder to get e-mail addresses. They will tell you anything to get a visa, including undying lovel If not that, then they are the serial scammer who gives the found relative with riches for you story. I had no idea. I am glad that I have known my fiance' for 5 years and that I have tested him, grilled him and not trusted him for alot of that time. I now know for sure he is the most wonderful man in the world and loves me and not my country, Most Nigerians do think the streets of the US are lined in Gold!! Much of this comes from them seeing our country give so much aide, etc to other countries. They cannot imagine poverty in the US. They are amazed at the assistance given to needy people with children here. The poorest people in this country are way better off than the majority of Nigerians.

There are many good honest people in the country, but so many more that are not. And, the majority do have a fraudulent mindset as that is how the country works--off bribes and it is what they have been taught. Thankfully you and I found good men there, but the embassy has every right and reason to expect all applications to be fraudulent until proven different.

If what happened to your husband is exactly as described, then it was totally wrong and he was given no chance. But I do believe that at this point an attorney is going to be your best bet. I have not read all of your story and do not know if they are just waiting for the test or what the next step is. The CO he got was apparently a jerk, but picketing or storming the embassy is not going to help as not all the CO's are like that and it is true........Nigeria does = fraud!!!!!! They must be careful with all cases. And, it seems that they already treat applicants alot better than a few years ago (or so I have heard), Not in your case, but don't waste time and energy on a lost cause. Find some legal services and get your man here!!!! Best of luck to you!

[ursy 0]

WOW, I am a MENA girl and I have heard of fuard but i still wished that I knew how they got the numbers with the high fuard etc. Who tells them information or where do they get there information from. I have heard that most Nigerians do this but I have also heard of most Moroccans doing it. They deny a lot of cases in Morocco and I was told that when they do this and it is returned to the USCIS I hear that a lot of the petitions just die. The US citizen moves or or the Moroccan man. But I feel like this, when you deny a true union and these two people, in our case are muslim and it is not a natural nor is it encouraged for muslims to go a long time with your spouse. I know that we are trying but it is so hard. But I ws thinking, if i was getting paid and we got denied wouldn't I just call him and tell him and see if he wants to make up some information???? The USCIS will send me the letter right, well all i will do is just call the person and tell them and if it was really worth the money I would help him get it. This is what confusses me beucase I have heard of several faurd marriages and I want to know how to report it.

I am so upset and hurt by everything and confussed at the same time. I mean hearding this board I am starting to find some sympathy with the COs. (OF ALL THINGS. And I hate those people.) But I will say this maybe people need to be punished I see that the Couslar Corps and the USCIS have two different things going on. I do not think that the rude manner and the probing questions are necessary. I believe that the USC should have some say over the person they are bring over. Another is the culture I know a friend he went and married a Nigerian girl beucase he said he could not deal with the culutre differences of the American woman. I believe that Moroccans are a little better at this, but I know they do the same. It seems that becuase a relationship fails people seem to always go with the fuard. America does not have the same morals nor vaule system and when you think about it, people normally divorce after about 2 to 5 years.

I do not think that the US should make the country so applying and that they should not give some who came to the US the right to become a citizen if the SO was abused they shoudl go back to there country. I know that may seem hard but why did they come here, to be married not pursue other opportunities right???? It seems like they put two in the same. I asked my fiance what happens if we do not work out if he was here and he said that he wants to be married and if we are not together, he go back to easy life in Morocco. America he says sounds like a hard place and life in Africa is easy compared to here. Alot though we have a lot of money (debt) we are not that great and it seems that people are really abusing and using others to get what they want. I wonder what would happen if they did not get the citizenship or if they where more restricted. I also believe the USCIS should interview the petitioner and that we should be place under the microscope you know. I am not saying that someone with less should be treadted differently than some with more, but the motives of people should be place out there.

I am willing to do a lie detector test, I am willing to be interviewed and I am willing to give you a few tell all pics if this would get my guy her. However, if I ever in my mind thing that he is using me. I believe I would stop it right before it started.

It seems that the Immgration process places you in a different mode of thinking. It is a different kind of relationship. When you remove the visa and everything else what do you have????? I wished that people would not behave this way and I am not sure how to resolve the problem. But I will say this a lot of conseuling with the couples should be given and alot of support is needed. I also think they shoudl have the prison time just deal with if for two years and then you will get the green card. Because this is what it sounds like is going on. What I do not understand is why woudl America want these people to stay in the US if they are lairs, you know.

I think that more should be done at home. It seems like the approvals go through and people think they have a marriage. I mean if the embassy wants me to make a home porn just let me know, they can have it if this is what they want. But this really tells about how the US does not trust us and how we should not trust them. I wonder why do people help stay in the US. I hear a lot of sad stories of someone coming here and they need etc. But you know in the end these people are lairs. I think that the ability to become a citizen shoudl be taken away and other things should come in to play. I think they should

Your comment is all emotional !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Sleep it off!!!!!!!!!! Then come up with a real plan because I think your comments are irrational. If they denied they must have had some reason!!!!!!!!!!! Pursue that ! Don't insult America or the American People. And there are many Americans with morals . Besides the Muslims don't need morals ......they can marry up to seven wives !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!