Another botched execution? Arizona inmate took 2 hours to die

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It's just like two people who are so much alike, but cannot stand one another.

I just found it a bit odd that being for barbarism for criminals here and being against the eye for an eye Islamic law. Public stoning should be encouraged and enjoyed by all.

I don't really have any close black friends. But I don't have a lot of friends in general. I haven't made many outside of work since college. I guess I need to get out more.

You probably don't have any overweight friends either.

[Boiler 45,525]

Two black friends may be pushing it, not everybody lives in the Hood.

[GandD 5,966]

And people from Africa don't count apparently.

You probably don't have any overweight friends either.

Why would I?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

You mean make it more like those radical Islam countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan?

This. We are a nation of laws, and cleaving to those laws is important. This is for the maintenance of law and order, and for the people to understand that there is certainty and consistency in how the rule of law is applied. It is important that even our most despicable criminals receive adequate representation and the full protection of their constitutional rights. It shows us that if the worst of us have those rights, then so understandably the rest of us do too. This goes back to the principles of equity and equality that are enumerated in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. This is at the heart of what makes us American. It doesn't make us soft, nor does it diminish our reputation on the world stage. Rather, it makes us look more decent, more respectable, more modern and the most fair of nations.

Baying for the blood of criminals, for public executions sinks us to the level of regimes we revile. We don't always have to like what flows from the Constitution, but we must respect it nevertheless. It isn't something you can take piecemeal, and for the Bill of Rights it's really an all or nothing proposition, perhaps much more so than for more recent amendments (i.e. what happened with the 18th Amendment). I don't support capital punishment, but I do understand that in some states it is legal. These executions must be in line with the Constitution, or else the state is in danger of being unable to perform such executions. I support the Constitution, and expect that states will act in accordance with it.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Why would I?

With an attitude like that, no wonder you don't have any friends.

[Boiler 45,525]

This. We are a nation of laws, and cleaving to those laws is important. This is for the maintenance of law and order, and for the people to understand that there is certainty and consistency in how the rule of law is applied. It is important that even our most despicable criminals receive adequate representation and the full protection of their constitutional rights. It shows us that if the worst of us have those rights, then so understandably the rest of us do too. This goes back to the principles of equity and equality that are enumerated in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. This is at the heart of what makes us American. It doesn't make us soft, nor does it diminish our reputation on the world stage. Rather, it makes us look more decent, more respectable, more modern and the most fair of nations.

Baying for the blood of criminals, for public executions sinks us to the level of regimes we revile. We don't always have to like what flows from the Constitution, but we must respect it nevertheless. It isn't something you can take piecemeal, and for the Bill of Rights it's really an all or nothing proposition, perhaps much more so than for more recent amendments (i.e. what happened with the 18th Amendment). I don't support capital punishment, but I do understand that in some states it is legal. These executions must be in line with the Constitution, or else the state is in danger of being unable to perform such executions. I support the Constitution, and expect that states will act in accordance with it.

That has never been the case, the thing that has changed is the realization among the Public that that has never been the case.

[JohnR! 5,495]

That has never been the case, the thing that has changed is the realization among the Public that that has never been the case.

And your statement would be incorrect.

[GandD 5,966]

With an attitude like that, no wonder you don't have any friends.

Meh, having friends just means you gotta do stuff.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Meh, having friends just means you gotta do stuff.

Friends are overrated and usually cost you money.

[Boiler 45,525]

And your statement would be incorrect.

I would call it an observation, but confirmable by anyone with a vague interest in history.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Two black friends may be pushing it, not everybody lives in the Hood.

I'm sure you can find black people anywhere. I have to canvas my new home to see where they are.

And people from Africa don't count apparently.

Why would I?

Nope. Even Africans consider us "different".

[Boiler 45,525]

I'm sure you can find black people anywhere. I have to canvas my new home to see where they are.

Lots of Hispanics, would two of them equal one black?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I would call it an observation, but confirmable by anyone with a vague interest in history.

I respectfully disagree with you, and I say this as someone who has more than a passing interest in legal history and the common law. Interpretation of the underlying law may evolve (obviously, since we are a common law jurisdiction), but the tenets beneath the laws stay relatively stable. How are we not a nation of laws now? How were we not a nation of the laws in 1780, 1880, 1980? Observations are pointless without actually saying what the basis for the observation is.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Friends are overrated and usually cost you money.

I think you're confusing friends with wives and girlfriends.

[GandD 5,966]

I'm sure you can find black people anywhere. I have to canvas my new home to see where they are.

Nope. Even Africans consider us "different".

Having black friends sounds too complicated.