Israel Should Be in Germany

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I remember a certain poster accusing me of writing things I hadn't (on a deleted post). I have been wary since.

Fortunately the mods returned it and proved the lie!

Jacque, you misread. I explained your mistake, yet you keep on about it. It's your error. I said you said what you said, nothing more.

You confused the concepts of former and latter. In English, you can list two things, then say one, which refers to the first thing listed, and the other, which refers to the second thing. You mixed that up.

Edited July 25, 2014 by Harpa Timsah

[mota bhai 2,675]

(comment quoting personal attack has bee removed - VJ Moderation)

smh. that's just as bad as calling people nazis. harpa's good people, shes no fascist.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Kathryn41
to remove quoted personal attack

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

smh. that's just as bad as calling people nazis. harpa's good people, shes no fascist.

Ok this is the words mean things I fail at some time. (comment that could be misinterpreted as a personal attack has been removed -VJ Moderation)

What I should have said is,

Oh to heck with it. I just meant the firing rockets part of it

How about this ..If you are going to be Goliath don't be surprised, if David flings a rock at you

My analogy sucked I admit that

Harpa I sincerely apologize if in my goofy analogy, I somehow drew an a similarity in philosophy between you and Hamas. i mean that

smh. that's just as bad as calling people nazis. harpa's good people, shes no fascist.

and P>S> I am pretty sure you got the analogy and what I meant .

Edited July 26, 2014 by Kathryn41

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

NB, the TOS forbids personal attacks, you can say things about people's ideas all you want.

Or at least, that is how it used to be.

I would be very pleased if this whole thread was removed.

I will defend you too if someone calls you a murderer.

I just scanned thru all the posts. I failed to see the one, in which he called you a murderer. Can you link me to it

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I just scanned thru all the posts. I failed to see the one, in which he called you a murderer. Can you link me to it

He said I am busy persecuting people and putting them in concentration camps.

[mota bhai 2,675]

That's right. Play the victim card. Instead of addressing the subject.

-the injustice of taking land from the Palestinians and persecuting them while housed in a concentration camp.

When I say YOU: anyone who refuses to acknowledge this injustice.

Harpa, I believe you misread him. He's saying the Israelis have put the Palestinians in concentration camps and you refuse to address that.

[GandD 5,966]

smh. that's just as bad as calling people nazis. harpa's good people, shes no fascist.

If he'd actually read the thread instead of barging in and belligerently making judgments about people based on his previous incidents of doing the same, he'd see how poor his comments look on this one.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

lol. Tell that to your team-mate who was in this very thread guilt-tripping us all about "The only homeland they've ever had". See, it's okay when one of YOU says it, but if anyone criticizes that then it's "Oh no, you are misunderstanding". Israel a homeland for the Jews? No way! No really, it's always been about a homeland for everyone, especially the Palestinians we forced off their homeland. To make it OUR homeland.

I know too much to be manipulated by your propaganda. You want me to believe that the Palestinians who were forcibly removed from their own land and put on a concentration camp in Gaza are not part of Israel. You have to play these word games when you are busy persecuting the people you took the land from.

I can admit to the USA taking land from native Americans and applaud the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act which gave a billion dollars and over 30 million acres to various native organizations in Alaska because their claims were legitimate. That is how you settle peacefully: you admit the original wrong. You negotiate a settlement. You vote on it. I work for one of those native organizations right now and I am really happy for them that they are wealthy. Unbelievably wealthy, because of taxes they are levying on the companies extracting oil from the largest oilfield on the continent.

Until you can do like me and admit the original wrong, there will be no chance at solving this like we solved our conflict over land with native Alaskans.

AJ, who is one of me? How am I busy persecuting people? What do I have to do with Israel except I know someone from there?

Him saying he really means whoever doesn't acknowledge injustice is a pathetic backtrack. I think it's pretty clear what he means here.

Edited July 25, 2014 by Harpa Timsah

[mota bhai 2,675]

Aah, different post. You're right, he said it.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

He said I am busy persecuting people and putting them in concentration camps.

He clearly did not call you a murder. I read most of his posts, and to be honest none of them were nearly as personal as you calling him pathetic and vile. There is no differance in calling a person pathetic and calling his thoughts pathetic. One is an extension of the other.

[mota bhai 2,675]

There is no differance in calling a person pathetic and calling his thoughts pathetic. One is an extension of the other.

I am excerpting this because I find this problematic at some level but I can't quite put words to it yet.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm sorry NB, what is the point of a concentration camp? To kill people, right? It's usually a holding ground for future mass murder, no?

Not in all cases.Harpa I don't pretend to understand the all the angles in the middle east crisis, and both sides make good points. About the only thing I agree on and understand is that you can't fire hundreds of rockets based in schools and hospitals, into your much stronger neighbor, then boo-hoo to the world when the whip your tail.

You wanna sacrifice civilians to gain world sympathy. Starve yourself to death or set yourself on fire, or provoke a soldier into beating a child to death and blast it all over the news.

Bottom line is Hamas needs a new PR director if their mission is to garner support. if their mission is to go to war with Israel they are insane

P.S. I think the poster was referring to playing word games in the collective sense, and honestly, taking that as calling you a murder is a long stretch

I am excerpting this because I find this problematic at some level but I can't quite put words to it yet.

If I called you a pervert. (which I am not). Am I labeling your actions, thoughts or words?

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Not in all cases.Harpa I don't pretend to understand the all the angles in the middle east crisis, and both sides make good points. About the only thing I agree on and understand is that you can't fire hundreds of rockets based in schools and hospitals, into your much stronger neighbor, then boo-hoo to the world when the whip your tail.

You wanna sacrifice civilians to gain world sympathy. Starve yourself to death or set yourself on fire, or provoke a soldier into beating a child to death and blast it all over the news.

Bottom line is Hamas needs a new PR director if their mission is to garner support. if their mission is to go to war with Israel they are insane

P.S. I think the poster was referring to playing word games in the collective sense, and honestly, taking that as calling you a murder is a long stretch

If I called you a pervert. (which I am not). Am I labeling your actions, thoughts or words?

He said "that's what YOU people do." And that I, me now, had to play word games because I am busy putting people in camps.

I think you need to think about words

I don't understand everything about the crisis either, but I see a lot of strong opinions based on things that I know to be false, and it is too bad. I was just pointing out one of those things, that non-jews live in Israel with full citizenship, just like Utah!

I think it is fine to say "that idea of yours is idiotic." No, it's not nice. I don't think it is okay to say "You are an idiot." That is also how I understand the TOS, and how it has been until this month.

Edited July 25, 2014 by Harpa Timsah

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

He said "that's what YOU people do." And that I, me now, had to play word games because I am busy putting people in camps.

I think you need to think about words

I don't understand everything about the crisis either, but I see a lot of strong opinions based on things that I know to be false, and it is too bad. I was just pointing out one of those things, that non-jews live in Israel with full citizenship, just like Utah!

I think it is fine to say "that idea of yours is idiotic." No, it's not nice. I don't think it is okay to say "You are an idiot." That is also how I understand the TOS, and how it has been until this month.

I saw your post about people from all over living, in Israel and found it educational. My views on the situation are closer to yours.

But Harpa, you did not say Idiot, or even that his idea was idiotic. You closed by saying Pathetic. Words mean things. If you had just finished a presentation and your co-worker leaned over and said, Pathetic as opposed to you are pathetic, would you really be less offend ? Basically the same thing.

In closing if you understand the TOS and how they are applied, then Ma'am you are my new hero, all this other stuff side. I think we can all agree on that

[Kathryn41 3,205]

thread closed for review.

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After review, this thread will remain closed for numerous TOS violations. The topic quickly wandered off from discussion about the original posted news story to become an exchange of personal comments aimed at individuals and their perspectives rather than about the situation. Comments made with the intent to be personally offensive are TOS violations.

Make comments in a Post either direct or implied toward another member that are purposely designed to upset, antagonize, make fun of, belittle, harass, insult, or otherwise instigate an argument that takes away from the personal enjoyment of the Service by other users.

If the thread were still on topic I would re-open it, but as it is not and hasn't been for a number of pages, and that a number of the comments have resulted in TOS violations and this is unlikely to change, I see little value in allowing this particular thread to continue.

-VJ Moderation

Edited July 26, 2014 by Kathryn41