looks like we are rejected

[kirk and Jenny 0]

I do not know if this will help anyone. It seems like we were rejected because Jenny did not have a picture of her and her ex-husband who deserted her and her child 5 years ago putting her brothers and then me in the position of supporting her and her child. Everything else was fine. I will fly over there and marry her soon. I will then come back and liquidate assets and emmigrate to the Philippines. I do not know if this is stating that presumptive death even though stated by the embassy is a valid show of singleness or not. I think we will never know the real reason for rejection. Anyway, I do not know if this helps anyone, but might be a reason to try annulment instead of presumptive death. Good luck to all of you and thanks for all the help this forum has been.

Take care,

Kirk and Jenny

[joeyjoey 1]

I do not know if this will help anyone. It seems like we were rejected because Jenny did not have a picture of her and her ex-husband who deserted her and her child 5 years ago putting her brothers and then me in the position of supporting her and her child. Everything else was fine. I will fly over there and marry her soon. I will then come back and liquidate assets and emmigrate to the Philippines. I do not know if this is stating that presumptive death even though stated by the embassy is a valid show of singleness or not. I think we will never know the real reason for rejection. Anyway, I do not know if this helps anyone, but might be a reason to try annulment instead of presumptive death. Good luck to all of you and thanks for all the help this forum has been.

Take care,

Kirk and Jenny

Kirk and Jenny,

I am very sorry to hear about the iterview.

And the denial was for lack of a photo? No one has a photo of the 2 of them together? Did you receive a 221-g? Did it state anything that made sense? Sounds like the CO decided that proof of the beneficiary's status of being "free to marry" was not met.

If an annulment is an option, why don't you have her take that route? You believe that you can challenge the decision by the Consulate. Ask them what your options would be. No need to just give up. The fight ain't over yet.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I do not know if this will help anyone. It seems like we were rejected because Jenny did not have a picture of her and her ex-husband who deserted her and her child 5 years ago putting her brothers and then me in the position of supporting her and her child. Everything else was fine. I will fly over there and marry her soon. I will then come back and liquidate assets and emmigrate to the Philippines. I do not know if this is stating that presumptive death even though stated by the embassy is a valid show of singleness or not. I think we will never know the real reason for rejection. Anyway, I do not know if this helps anyone, but might be a reason to try annulment instead of presumptive death. Good luck to all of you and thanks for all the help this forum has been.

Take care,

Kirk and Jenny

Kirk, I'm sorry to hear that...man. I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

[rebeccajo 14]

.... I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven, what is the consulates usual position on this type of scenario?

[MPGGPM 0]

I do not know if this will help anyone. It seems like we were rejected because Jenny did not have a picture of her and her ex-husband who deserted her and her child 5 years ago putting her brothers and then me in the position of supporting her and her child. Everything else was fine. I will fly over there and marry her soon. I will then come back and liquidate assets and emmigrate to the Philippines. I do not know if this is stating that presumptive death even though stated by the embassy is a valid show of singleness or not. I think we will never know the real reason for rejection. Anyway, I do not know if this helps anyone, but might be a reason to try annulment instead of presumptive death. Good luck to all of you and thanks for all the help this forum has been.

Take care,

Kirk and Jenny

Amazing the power our government has over our lives. On a technicality, you lose the right to be with the woman you love.

I wish you luck......

Were it me...I'd raise hell to no end. (don't know how much good it'd do). But I'd be at the embassy's door...day in and day out...contacting my congressmen in between. I wouldn't rest until I and my spouse were granted the visa you seemingly deserve.

Good luck.

It's stories like this and others that give me the "willies"......when it comes to our own case which has yet to be adjudicated.

....to you.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

.... I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven, what is the consulates usual position on this type of scenario?

That's my concern. I have no knowledge of what the CO will do. On the DS-156 we had to fill out for Job (Jinky's boy) - question 37 asks if any of the following relatives live in the U.S. or are a U.S. Citizen. The biological father is a Philippine National living here in the states, but it is unclear what his status is - Jinky believes he is here illegally. She has contact with him and we could get his written consent if needed, but Jinky was satisfied with her sister-in-law's legal advice.

After reading this topic I am once again concerned that this may cause a snag.

Not sure what to do? Jinky could possibly go to a government agency that will verify that she has full legal custody of the child. I believe that should satisfy any issues the CO might have...I hope.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I do not know if this will help anyone. It seems like we were rejected because Jenny did not have a picture of her and her ex-husband who deserted her and her child 5 years ago putting her brothers and then me in the position of supporting her and her child. Everything else was fine. I will fly over there and marry her soon. I will then come back and liquidate assets and emmigrate to the Philippines. I do not know if this is stating that presumptive death even though stated by the embassy is a valid show of singleness or not. I think we will never know the real reason for rejection. Anyway, I do not know if this helps anyone, but might be a reason to try annulment instead of presumptive death. Good luck to all of you and thanks for all the help this forum has been.

Take care,

Kirk and Jenny

Amazing the power our government has over our lives. On a technicality, you lose the right to be with the woman you love.

I wish you luck......

Were it me...I'd raise hell to no end. (don't know how much good it'd do). But I'd be at the embassy's door...day in and day out...contacting my congressmen in between. I wouldn't rest until I and my spouse were granted the visa you seemingly deserve.

Good luck.

It's stories like this and others that give me the "willies"......when it comes to our own case which has yet to be adjudicated.

....to you.

As unfortunate as the situation was, as Kirk realized afterwards, an anullment is what was needed in his fiancee's case. The downside is the anullment process is long and difficult in the Philippines. Simply presuming the husband is deceased would not be sufficient.

[RiggerAF 0]

Kirk, I'm sorry to hear that...man. I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven_and_Jinky,

If Jinky has CENOMAR then no need to worry about it. My son is illegitimate too but his bio-father has a signature at the back of my sons BC under ADMITION OF PATERNITY and listed in his BC as FATHER. The consul isn't going to ask any paternal consent. I had a paternal consent with me during the interview, we spent money to get the signature of my sons bio-father but all of it is useless. Just tell Jinky to bring photograph of her and her son when Job was still a baby. I mean like aged 2 months to 3 yrs old. Just a picture of them together. Also ask Jinky if her son was late registered or not coz then if he is late registered the pre-interviewer is going to ask for Baptismal Certificate.

RiggerAF

[rebeccajo 14]

.... I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven, what is the consulates usual position on this type of scenario?

That's my concern. I have no knowledge of what the CO will do. On the DS-156 we had to fill out for Job (Jinky's boy) - question 37 asks if any of the following relatives live in the U.S. or are a U.S. Citizen. The biological father is a Philippine National living here in the states, but it is unclear what his status is - Jinky believes he is here illegally. She has contact with him and we could get his written consent if needed, but Jinky was satisfied with her sister-in-law's legal advice.

After reading this topic I am once again concerned that this may cause a snag.

Not sure what to do? Jinky could possibly go to a government agency that will verify that she has full legal custody of the child. I believe that should satisfy any issues the CO might have...I hope.

I can't quite fathom that with all the members of this board petitioning for Filipinas this question has not been answered before.

Have you raised this question on the boards, Steven?

[RiggerAF 0]

.... I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven, what is the consulates usual position on this type of scenario?

That's my concern. I have no knowledge of what the CO will do. On the DS-156 we had to fill out for Job (Jinky's boy) - question 37 asks if any of the following relatives live in the U.S. or are a U.S. Citizen. The biological father is a Philippine National living here in the states, but it is unclear what his status is - Jinky believes he is here illegally. She has contact with him and we could get his written consent if needed, but Jinky was satisfied with her sister-in-law's legal advice.

After reading this topic I am once again concerned that this may cause a snag.

Not sure what to do? Jinky could possibly go to a government agency that will verify that she has full legal custody of the child. I believe that should satisfy any issues the CO might have...I hope.

I can't quite fathom that with all the members of this board petitioning for Filipinas this question has not been answered before.

Have you raised this question on the boards, Steven?

DS 156 question number 37... Simply answer NO. Kids won't be questioned during the interview. According to my experience the pre-interviewer asked me for my son was his birthdate, birth place, if i live with his bio-father, pictures of my son and my fiance. So no worries about it and simply put NO to avoid any complications.you are unsure about his status anyway.

Edited January 20, 2007 by RiggerAF

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Kirk, I'm sorry to hear that...man. I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven_and_Jinky,

If Jinky has CENOMAR then no need to worry about it. My son is illegitimate too but his bio-father has a signature at the back of my sons BC under ADMITION OF PATERNITY and listed in his BC as FATHER. The consul isn't going to ask any paternal consent. I had a paternal consent with me during the interview, we spent money to get the signature of my sons bio-father but all of it is useless. Just tell Jinky to bring photograph of her and her son when Job was still a baby. I mean like aged 2 months to 3 yrs old. Just a picture of them together. Also ask Jinky if her son was late registered or not coz then if he is late registered the pre-interviewer is going to ask for Baptismal Certificate.

RiggerAF

Thank you! Yep, the biological father is also listed on the back of the BC as well....thank God. I will tell her to bring photos of her and Job when he was small as the registration info. Thanks again...you calmed my nerves a bit! Hope your nerves are calmer from the fire earlier!

.... I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven, what is the consulates usual position on this type of scenario?

That's my concern. I have no knowledge of what the CO will do. On the DS-156 we had to fill out for Job (Jinky's boy) - question 37 asks if any of the following relatives live in the U.S. or are a U.S. Citizen. The biological father is a Philippine National living here in the states, but it is unclear what his status is - Jinky believes he is here illegally. She has contact with him and we could get his written consent if needed, but Jinky was satisfied with her sister-in-law's legal advice.

After reading this topic I am once again concerned that this may cause a snag.

Not sure what to do? Jinky could possibly go to a government agency that will verify that she has full legal custody of the child. I believe that should satisfy any issues the CO might have...I hope.

I can't quite fathom that with all the members of this board petitioning for Filipinas this question has not been answered before.

Have you raised this question on the boards, Steven?

Yes, but the only response I got at the time was from someone who hadn't been through the interview and I didn't think the info was reliable.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

.... I hope we don't run into any snags with Jinky's 5 year old son. She was never married and has the CENOMAR document, but I am concerned they may ask for the biological father's written consent for his son to leave the country because his name is listed on the child's Birth Certificate.

Jinky has a sister-in-law who is a top law student - she told us we have nothing to worry about because the biological father has no legal custody of the child.

Steven, what is the consulates usual position on this type of scenario?

That's my concern. I have no knowledge of what the CO will do. On the DS-156 we had to fill out for Job (Jinky's boy) - question 37 asks if any of the following relatives live in the U.S. or are a U.S. Citizen. The biological father is a Philippine National living here in the states, but it is unclear what his status is - Jinky believes he is here illegally. She has contact with him and we could get his written consent if needed, but Jinky was satisfied with her sister-in-law's legal advice.

After reading this topic I am once again concerned that this may cause a snag.

Not sure what to do? Jinky could possibly go to a government agency that will verify that she has full legal custody of the child. I believe that should satisfy any issues the CO might have...I hope.

I can't quite fathom that with all the members of this board petitioning for Filipinas this question has not been answered before.

Have you raised this question on the boards, Steven?

DS 156 question number 37... Simply answer NO. Kids won't be questioned during the interview. According to my experience the pre-interviewer asked me for my son was his birthdate, birth place, if i live with his bio-father, pictures of my son and my fiance. So no worries about it and simply put NO to avoid any complications.you are unsure about his status anyway.

If she answers NO, that would not be truthful because his biological father lives here in the states. I'd be scared of that causing a denial should they find out that in fact he does live here. What do you think they will require if the biological father is here in the states?

[RonMay 1]

im so sorry to hear what happened...

am i understanding it right that you state that since the father is missing for 5 yrs then u state the reason that he might be dead or "presumptive death"???

correct me if im wrong (i might be wrong) but i think in phil., one could only assume someone is dead if the person has been missing for 7 years or after 7 yrs of not showing up/missing in the family, then you can file for abandonment/annulment??? thats what ive always heard... its better to seek legal advice in phil on whats the next step...

truly hope everything will work out in the end...

[RiggerAF 0]

If she answers NO, that would not be truthful because his biological father lives here in the states. I'd be scared of that causing a denial should they find out that in fact he does live here. What do you think they will require if the biological father is here in the states?

Wow yeah that'S truly hard. I honestly can't answer this question I am sorry. Does jinky still have contact with Job's bio father? Coz if they don't communicate at all she have reason to answer NO. but if she really knows her sons bio-father address and status then it's better to answer honestly.

[Ken_Maria 0]

Steve, if Jinky has contact with the father, what would it hurt to get his notarized consent to bring her son with her to the states? At least she would have the affidavit on her if asked.

I think the CO will ask about the father more if she says yes in question 37. If she says yes, she might want to be able to answer questions lke his citizenship status, marriage status...etc. Saying no and claiming not to know where the father is might be a lie but it might also garner less questions. This is a sticky one but if Jinkys CEMONAR says she is single and she checks no, maybe they will not ask her like they did not ask RiggerAF. JMHO, Ken

DS 156 question number 37... Simply answer NO. Kids won't be questioned during the interview. According to my experience the pre-interviewer asked me for my son was his birthdate, birth place, if i live with his bio-father, pictures of my son and my fiance. So no worries about it and simply put NO to avoid any complications.you are unsure about his status anyway.

If she answers NO, that would not be truthful because his biological father lives here in the states. I'd be scared of that causing a denial should they find out that in fact he does live here. What do you think they will require if the biological father is here in the states?