The moan and groan thread

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So, do you want to move on to MENA now or would you still like to go round and round on the God issue?

You have no credibility with me re the God issue. MENA (the geography) is irrelevent.

Because I still find it hypocritical that someone would comment that honor killings and disowning is a common idea in MENA, and it was said many husbands here have at the very least agreed that it happens and have little to say about it, and so when women display behavior that would most certainly fall into the category of unacceptable in MENA terms, I am curious how this is rationalized.

We're not in MENA, and MENA is not Islam.

[peezey 0]

Regardless of what Islam says about sex or masturbating and dildos, don't you think its disrespectful to discuss such personal things with people you don't know? Don't you think your husband or the husband of those who shared this info would be bothered by this? I don't think you need to be an Arab or Muslim to think this discussion in inappropriate.

The other thing is some of the women (not all) who have posted in this thread about their sex toys have often made comments about how modest they are and then turn around and describe their sex toys on a public forum.

I said I have a #######. MY #######, not my husband's #######. I'm a sexual being. I'm not embarrassed by that. I said nothing about my husband, as have others revealed things about their husbands that perhaps they should not have. I'm also not among those who claim to be overly modest. If others can come here and admit openly to pre-marital sex and people get mad if someone tells them that that is wrong, they have no basis upon which to complain about dildos being mentioned.

No one said you said anything about your husband. JP and I have said, wouldn't husbands be offended that such personal things are being discussed in public, and with A MAN WHO IS NOT YOUR HUSBAND?

So, do you want to move on to MENA now or would you still like to go round and round on the God issue?

You have no credibility with me re the God issue. MENA (the geography) is irrelevent.

Because I still find it hypocritical that someone would comment that honor killings and disowning is a common idea in MENA, and it was said many husbands here have at the very least agreed that it happens and have little to say about it, and so when women display behavior that would most certainly fall into the category of unacceptable in MENA terms, I am curious how this is rationalized.

We're not in MENA, and MENA is not Islam.

What does this last statement have to do with anything? I said move off religion and on to culture. You are refusing to do that I take it?

[jordanianprincess 0]

Regardless of what Islam says about sex or masturbating and dildos, don't you think its disrespectful to discuss such personal things with people you don't know? Don't you think your husband or the husband of those who shared this info would be bothered by this? I don't think you need to be an Arab or Muslim to think this discussion in inappropriate.

The other thing is some of the women (not all) who have posted in this thread about their sex toys have often made comments about how modest they are and then turn around and describe their sex toys on a public forum.

I said I have a #######. MY #######, not my husband's #######. I'm a sexual being. I'm not embarrassed by that. I said nothing about my husband, as have others revealed things about their husbands that perhaps they should not have. I'm also not among those who claim to be overly modest. If others can come here and admit openly to pre-marital sex and people get mad if someone tells them that that is wrong, they have no basis upon which to complain about dildos being mentioned.

No one said you said anything about your husband. JP and I have said, wouldn't husbands be offended that such personal things are being discussed in public, and with A MAN WHO IS NOT YOUR HUSBAND?

Which has nothing to do with God or Islam. The only reason I brought that up is because of one particular person who described their #######. This person has gone on and on about how religious they are, doesn't make sense.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You don't think it would bother your husband that you are telling people about your #######? Saying you have had pre-marital sex is not nearly as personal as telling people you masturbate and what you use to do it. There is quite a differnce. If someone were to start telling sex stories of how and when it would be just as personal. But to know that someone is using the drill master 5000 every night before bed is just TMI!

I merely said I had a #######. All the ruckus around that has raised the issue of what's done with it. As I said before, those who say it shouldn't be discussed pubically are plenty discussing it publically. I'm the only one saying that discussing it publically doesn't bother me. If it bothers others, they should stop talking about it.

Let's see if that happens . . .

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Which has nothing to do with God or Islam. The only reason I brought that up is because of one particular person who described their #######. This person has gone on and on about how religious they are, doesn't make sense.

Does being religious equal fridgid? I have not defined myself as religious. It is a designation being put upon me. I don't care to defend it.

[jordanianprincess 0]

You don't think it would bother your husband that you are telling people about your #######? Saying you have had pre-marital sex is not nearly as personal as telling people you masturbate and what you use to do it. There is quite a differnce. If someone were to start telling sex stories of how and when it would be just as personal. But to know that someone is using the drill master 5000 every night before bed is just TMI!

I merely said I had a #######. All the ruckus around that has raised the issue of what's done with it. As I said before, those who say it shouldn't be discussed pubically are plenty discussing it publically. I'm the only one saying that discussing it publically doesn't bother me. If it bothers others, they should stop talking about it.

Let's see if that happens . . .

It went on for quite a few pages in this thread. People were just pointing out the hypocrisy. In any regard no one said this was directed at you. The bottom line is that this is a inappropriate discussion to have on a public forum, especially given the fact that most people have seen each others photos and know their stories. There are pleny of websites you can go to where you can discuss these things with people who don't mind. I think it has crossed a line here and many agree, someone had to speak up...end of story.

Which has nothing to do with God or Islam. The only reason I brought that up is because of one particular person who described their #######. This person has gone on and on about how religious they are, doesn't make sense.

Does being religious equal fridgid? I have not defined myself as religious. It is a designation being put upon me. I don't care to defend it.

Did I say you were frigid? I don't really care who uses a vibrator here or what they do in their sex life, but does everyone have to know. Does that fact that I don't discuss my sex life publically make me a prude or frigid?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

No one said you said anything about your husband. JP and I have said, wouldn't husbands be offended that such personal things are being discussed in public, and with A MAN WHO IS NOT YOUR HUSBAND?

Will you please post the discussion I had with this man?

What does this last statement have to do with anything? I said move off religion and on to culture. You are refusing to do that I take it?

What does MENA culture have to do with this? Is that the culture you represent in your objections, or is peezey, not MENA, preturbed? If peezey is preturbed, let's talk about peezey, not MENA. They are two different things.

Did I say you were frigid? I don't really care who uses a vibrator here or what they do in their sex life, but does everyone have to know. Does that fact that I don't discuss my sex life publically make me a prude or frigid?

I said I had a #######. If that's all there was to say about my sex life, I would be pretty damn pathetic. You got off easy.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Let me ask you something szsz, since the majority of this forum are Muslim I think my question will apply. Now even if you don't wear hijab, are you not supposed to be modest? Should't a woman be modest and not attact any unwanted attention?

Do you think describing someone's personal sex toy's in a public forum is going to go unnoticed to men? Men get their jollies on this kind of #######.

[You got off easy.

What do you mean?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Let me ask you something szsz, since the majority of this forum are Muslim I think my question will apply. Now even if you don't wear hijab, are you not supposed to be modest? Should't a woman be modest and not attact any unwanted attention?

Do you think describing someone's personal sex toy's in a public forum is going to go unnoticed to men? Men get their jollies on this kind of #######.

[You got off easy.

What do you mean?

Like I said, women, Muslim and Christian, who come here and pronounce that they had sex before marriage and don't care what anyone thinks don't catch as much ####### as someone saying they have a ####### does. When was the last time I saw someone ask a fornicator what would their husband think about their public announcement? Or shouldn't you be modest?

Never.

I'm not about not attracting attention. Going thru life gets me attention. Apparently much of what I say here attracts attention; if not this, then something else.

Men are not the only ones who get their jollies from dildos.

Edited January 20, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[jordanianprincess 0]

Let me ask you something szsz, since the majority of this forum are Muslim I think my question will apply. Now even if you don't wear hijab, are you not supposed to be modest? Should't a woman be modest and not attact any unwanted attention?

Do you think describing someone's personal sex toy's in a public forum is going to go unnoticed to men? Men get their jollies on this kind of #######.

[You got off easy.

What do you mean?

Like I said, women, Muslim and Christian, who come here and pronounce that they had sex before marriage and don't care what anyone thinks don't catch as much ####### as someone saying they have a ####### does. When was the last time I saw someone ask a fornicator what would their husband think about their public announcement? Or shouldn't you be modest?

Never.

I'm not about not attracting attention. Going thru life gets me attention. Apparently much of what I say here attracts attention; if not this, then something else.

Men are not the only ones who get their jollies from dildos.

Like I said, there is a big difference. If a women were to say, I had pre-marital sex she is not really giving out information that is very personal unless she were to get into more detail. If she were to start telling sexcapade stories I'm sure people would speak up. How you can possible compare that with someone describing what they use to masturbate? To give a full description of what you use to pleasure yourself is in no way comparable to stating you have had pre-marital sex. You are comparing apples and oranges. I will agree with you on this, if one were to share sexcapade stories it would be no different that sharing stories about sex toys. However people have been very vauge about premarital sex and pretty much refer to it as "doing the laundry".

We clearly disagree on this and I don't think that will change. I am however going to head off to bed, have a good night.

Edited January 20, 2007 by jordanianprincess

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Like I said, there is a big difference. If a women were to say, I had pre-marital sex she is not really giving out information that is very personal unless she were to get into more detail. If she were to start telling sexcapade stories I'm sure people would speak up. How you can possible compare that with someone describing what they use to masturbate? To give a full description of what you use to pleasure yourself is in no way comparable to stating you have had pre-marital sex. You are comparing apples and oranges. I will agree with you on this, if one were to share sexcapade stories it would be no different that sharing stories about sex toys. However people have been very vauge about premarital sex and pretty much refer to it as "doing the laundry".

We clearly disagree on this and I don't think that will change. I am however going to head off to bed, have a good night.

I'm quite sure I didn't share any sexcapade stories. I believe that a lot of this uprour stems from some very fertile imaginations on the part of the objectors, not from any particular comment about dildos.

We've had some heated discussions on this board regarding the "judgmentalism" of people who believe premarital sex is wrong infringing on the "rights" of fornicators to fornicate and admit it. There have been some rather elaborate details given out about philosophies re sexual freedom and secular concepts of sexuality that beat mentioning a ####### all to hell.

So it's clear that there is a double standard in that folks feel free to discuss their sex lives with their partners in some capacity and to not be questioned about it, but a sex life without a partner is up for scrutiny.

Yes, we do disagree, and that's ok with me. Good night! Sleep tight!

Edited January 20, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[Private 1]

You're an atheist. How would you know what God has in mind?

Additionally, why would you even care?

You're the one who trotted out what God thought and said about sex. And, this atheist has read the good book a few times, as you well know, it's really not hard to figure out what God had in mind.

But we can skip that if you like and move on to MENA culture and the un-acceptability of talking about sex, sex toys, and masturbation with virtual strangers and men who aren't your husband.

What is your problem? Whatever relationship you have with god is own just like ours is. I not sure if you are referring to me about the Hajj comment and how some paint themselves to be, however, nobody mentioned anything or claimed to be religious in any nature. I am Muslim and very proud of it and I still say that a honeymoon to the Hajj would be wonderful. As far as the comments it was a joke referring to the "Moan and groan” and I assumed that was the intention in the group, I know it was mine. If it concerns people so much and everyone has a problem with it either do not read it or report it. But your sly comments about religion and people are not needed. When you become perfect then you can judge me and/or anybody else but until then (you fill in the blank.)

So get over it. So what? Nobody talked about how they used they, when, where or explained their sex lives. As far as my fiancé is concerned he thinks we are all bored and he is LHAO about it. And he liked Green-eyed girl comments, so he was rooting for you.

[Private 1]

I give lots of ####### about God.

####### being the operative word.

As far as the strangeness of this goes, I have two women who publically defend and support bumpin uglies outside of marriage arguing with me about the permissibility of mentioning a sex toy on the Internet.

Talk about hypocrisy!

You can keep trying to say the question is about talking about a sex toy on the "internet" but I have never asked that question. I have asked about married women talking about sex toys with a married man who is not their husband.

I say what I mean and what I believe, a line you often use. You pronounce and announce what you think is right and wrong all over this board. There is no hypocrisy in asking how it is you rectify what you've previously said with what you've done today.

What men are you talking about? The prophets wives talked a lot about many subjects include sex to the believers, so I do not see anything wrong with saying I own a toy or discussing the topic in general. You will never learn unless you talk about it. It was a joke that made a few folks mad and made some smile. Now if you want to say we have poor humor then fine, however sex is not a off limit topic in "our religion".

[Private 1]

Regardless of what Islam says about sex or masturbating and dildos, don't you think its disrespectful to discuss such personal things with people you don't know? Don't you think your husband or the husband of those who shared this info would be bothered by this? I don't think you need to be an Arab or Muslim to think this discussion in inappropriate.

The other thing is some of the women (not all) who have posted in this thread about their sex toys have often made comments about how modest they are and then turn around and describe their sex toys on a public forum.

I wonder who is modest, because I swear no of us are? We are fighters and we are all sisters. I do not think that any topic in general is disrespectful unless it is expressed to me that it is. (If I care or not is a whole other topic.) We we say Arab and Muslim. We also have to remember that there are several sub-cultures in the group also.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

ok no idea how my thread got to this point ......................

wow i leave work one day and check back in the next and this topic took a left turn and went 5 more pages?