40 shot, 4 dead from gun violence in Chicago over weekend

[spookyturtle 9,465]

The purchase is considered to be a lawful one until the gun changes hands illegaly. So yes the gun is being purchased legally.

Just like buying alcohol for a minor, the sale was legal until it changed hands. So all alcohol sales should be banned. But you wouldn't want that since you like to drink responsibly. But you want to take things away from responsible guns owners. Interesting.

[Sousuke 1,214]

What a coincidence, that's the way I view both of your viewpoints on blaming law abiding legal gun owners for the actions of criminals. Strangely, I feel that most adults are responsible for their own actions. You two sound like Republicans blaming everything on the Democrats.

Don't worry, the argument that guns are only designed to kill therefore they somehow standalone falls flat because its not even true statement.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Don't worry, the argument that guns are only designed to kill therefore they somehow standalone falls flat because its not even true statement.

Agreed, most of my guns have never killed anything. I used to bird hunt, but I haven't done that for a couple of decades. I guess I have guns just in case I have to kill something? I mean we all know that there is no sport or competitive shooting. Only criminals shoot trap, skeet, targets, etc. The anti gun people play golf.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I just love cute anti gun nutters

Buying a legally to give to a person who can no legally buy one is not illegal until you give it to them

Well most crimes are not crimes until you do them

Wait, there is hate crimes.. They got you for what you might have been thinking

P.S. Knowingly buying a gun, with the intent to be a straw purchase is indeed a crime

But what they hey! Anti-gun nutters are fun to toy with

PS Anti-gun nutter is not meant to imply all that want to circumvent the 2nd amnd are nuts. Just some

Edited July 23, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Agreed, most of my guns have never killed anything. I used to bird hunt, but I haven't done that for a couple of decades. I guess I have guns just in case I have to kill something? I mean we all know that there is no sport or competitive shooting. Only criminals shoot trap, skeet, targets, etc. The anti gun people play golf.

Many a golf club has been used as a weapon. Look at what the vile woman did to poor Tiger woods. Ban Golf clubs. I mean would society really be impacted if people could not play golf.

Edited July 23, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[Boiler 45,516]

[Boiler 45,516]

Like most people, James Dittrich had horrible situational awareness.

He’d walked his dog and was returning up the stairs to his third floor apartment, and the two thugs were on him in the stairwell before he knew what was going on. They robbed him of his wallet, and forced him into his apartment at gunpoint, where his fiance was sleeping.

Dettrich—finally clued into the fact that he put his fiance, Meredith Duffy in great danger—went after the gun, hoping to give Duffy a chance to call 911:

So I reached up and I grabbed [the gun],” Dittrich said. “I couldn’t wrestle it free, but I knew, with both hands on it, I had control of it, and that was the opportunity that she needed to call. And I just, I really just hoped I could keep control of it for her to make that call.”

But when Dittrich grabbed the gun, the burglars attacked him, he said. As her fiance was beaten in front of her, Duffy was able to call for help.

“That was the absolute hardest part, was that when I dialed 911, they were just beating him so absolutely mercilessly and brutally,” she said. “And the one kept yelling, ‘Shoot him, shoot him, shoot him.’”

In the end, the attackers fled, but not before breaking Dittrich’ nose, both cheekbones, and the bones around one of his eye sockets. Both Dittrich and Duffy were rushed to the emergency room at University Hospital in Newark, where the drama of their horrific ordeal and resulting injuries happened to be captured on ABC’s medical docu-series “NY Med,” which airs Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET.

Dr. Hugo Razo, the emergency room physician who treated Dittrich, told him that night, “You’re a hero. You’re an American hero.”

The couple are convinced that fighting back saved Duffy from being raped, and saved both of their lives that night.

A “hero?”

I’d argue instead that Dittrich put Duffy and himself in that situation because he was blissfully unaware of his surroundings. He didn’t see the two men outside the building, as they were attempting to select a victim. He didn’t make eye contact, which most likely would have cued them to leave him alone.

The two men, noticing that Dettrich was blissfully clueless of his surroundings, followed him into his building and up three flights of stairs. It wasn’t until Dettrich had his keys out that he was bum-rushed at his door, and only then finally realized he was under attack.

Dittrich then put his Duffy in danger of being raped and murdered by letting the robbers into the apartment.

His later “heroic” attempt to grab the gun was a desperation move after poor situational awareness and a grave misjudgment of the intentions of the robbers finally forced him to act, or watch his fiance be raped and perhaps murdered in front of his eyes.

Dettrich and Duffy changed several things as a result of the attack. The first thing they did was leave New Jersey (always a smart move). One of the other things was that they re-thought their stance on firearms ownership and self-defense.

They feel safer in Ohio, they said, adding that their experience drastically changed them and their views on a number of issues, including gun control. Before, both didn’t feel the need to own a gun. Now, they are proud gun owners and keep a handgun in the bedroom.

“I didn’t want a gun. I specifically didn’t want one,” Dittrich said. “I was very much opposed to hav[ing] one, and I guess I got the realization that the police really can’t protect you. They can respond, and they can protect you once they get there. But, you’re on your own.”

It’s quite sad that Dittrich and Duffy lacked any sense of awareness before the attack. Had Dettrich simply been aware of his surroundings and made eye contact with the criminals when he went by them, there is a good chance that they would have passed on selecting him as a victim.

I hope that in addition to purchasing firearms the couple has opted to find a good trainer in their area who can teach them not just marksmanship, but also situational awareness and movement.

Owning a firearm is a great step towards being prepared for self-defense, but in the end, it is only a tool, and it is the skill and capability of the person wielding the tool that determines how effectively it will be used, or even if it has to be used at all.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Just like buying alcohol for a minor, the sale was legal until it changed hands. So all alcohol sales should be banned. But you wouldn't want that since you like to drink responsibly. But you want to take things away from responsible guns owners. Interesting.

There has been a very large clamp down on alcohol and the tolerance of it's use in the last 3 decades or so. This clamp down has resulted in a decrease of drunk driving fatalities of almost 50% since the early 1980's. I'm in favor of doing more to get those fatalities even lower. I like to think I drink responsibly, more so now than when I was younger. I have never had a DUI and never had any alcohol related arrests. Some people had to change their drinking habits and the way they purchase alcohol to conform with these new laws, but no one had to give up any of their freedoms to consume alcohol for this decrease in fatalities to be accomplished.

Why is it such a terrible thing to want the same thing done with guns? I do not want to take your right to own a gun away, but I do want to implement new laws, strictly enforce the laws already in place and implement programs that will reduce gun fatalities. Some gun owners might have to change their gun buying habits and the way they use their firearms to conform, but you can all still own guns.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

There has been a very large clamp down on alcohol and the tolerance of it's use in the last 3 decades or so. This clamp down has resulted in a decrease of drunk driving fatalities of almost 50% since the early 1980's. I'm in favor of doing more to get those fatalities even lower. I like to think I drink responsibly, more so now than when I was younger. I have never had a DUI and never had any alcohol related arrests. Some people had to change their drinking habits and the way they purchase alcohol to conform with these new laws, but no one had to give up any of their freedoms to consume alcohol for this decrease in fatalities to be accomplished.

Why is it such a terrible thing to want the same thing done with guns? I do not want to take your right to own a gun away, but I do want to implement new laws, strictly enforce the laws already in place and implement programs that will reduce gun fatalities. Some gun owners might have to change their gun buying habits and the way they use their firearms to conform, but you can all still own guns.

what news laws would you like to see in place ?

[Boiler 45,516]

what news laws would you like to see in place ?

Perhaps they could try them in Chicago?

[Teddy B 17,252]

what news laws would you like to see in place ?

I've told you this a thousand times over. Nationwide gun laws, not state to state. Mandatory background checks including mental health checks for all new gun purchases, no exceptions. These are probably the two things that could be implemented with little to no inconvenience for law abiding gun owners that will also garner some positive results. That would be plenty to get started along with strictly enforcing all other laws already on the books.

Perhaps they could try them in Chicago?

Chicago's problem is complex. You have poverty a long with broken homes, that's a recipe for disaster. I do believe the economic situation in poverty stricken areas needs to be addressed, along with people stepping up and taking responsibility for themselves.

[Boiler 45,516]

Having bought 2 guns and thinking of another for EDC, certainly in Colorado you do go through a check process, think the last one took 30 minutes of so of on line form filling.

Not aware that this is something gang bangers do. Perhaps they should start with them?

And would the likes of NY, DC etc like people to have their Constitutional rights, can not see the current Politicos letting go.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Stopping the flow of guns from states where gun laws are lax to the states with tougher gun laws would be a big step as well. Having strict nationwide gun laws would address this problem.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Teddy B

[Jacque67 7,328]

Nah- you just need 2 morally upright parents.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I've told you this a thousand times over. Nationwide gun laws, not state to state. Mandatory background checks including mental health checks for all new gun purchases, no exceptions. These are probably the two things that could be implemented with little to no inconvenience for law abiding gun owners that will also garner some positive results. That would be plenty to get started along with strictly enforcing all other laws already on the books.

I think most responsible gun owners would be ok with that . I don't even have a problem with something along the lines of a gun safety course or prior military service