Why religion holds families together

[2ndMessiah 184]

You need to re-read the fact we're homeschooling. We don't get government funding. As a matter of fact our oldest isn't even permitted to enroll in any place that accepts government money until 14 months from now when he can enroll as a kindergartener.

But at present his general reading is third grade level and in science he is off the charts. When he is finally eligible for kindergarten there's no telling where he'll be, but we can't enroll him with kids that can't even read.

We have had nothing but discouragement and harassment from the government and schools in terms of educating our children.

I totally agree with both of you above about public schools and religion.

Oh I got the fact you were home schooling. And If you child is doing as well as you say it is, good for you. I am glad it works for you.

But the state of education in the US is poor and I am being kind. For a first world country its lags so far behind the rest of the educated world. When standards are put forward, States about how their A students suddenly are failing. Obviously the standard they are teaching kids to is lackluster, not the failure of the Core standards themselves.

Sorry I get a bit annoyed at some things.

[2ndMessiah 184]

From NJ's public school standards document. By the end of grade 8, objective number 6.2.8.D.3.e.

Compare and contrast the tenets of various world religions (i.e., Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, and Taoism), their patterns of expansion, and their responses to the current challenges of globalization.

Oh OK, I must go ask my son. I never seen that in any homework. Mind you we live in Virginia. Things like that might be tantamount to heresy here.

[rlogan 2,036]

Just curious but what kind of harassment?

The worst of it was invading our home, separating us, interrogating us, and indeed terrorizing us for teaching our oldest how to walk. Yes, you heard that right.

We learned from peer review literature on early infant development that if you hold your two month-old by the hands and gradually help him doing assisted walking that it launches them into what they call the "Dawn of Active Thought". Instead of lying there stupidly in a basinet, they start mapping their world, thinking ahead and planning, evaluating risk, remembering cause-and-effect, etc.

So if you want their BRAIN to develop, early walking is a key insight. Even though they are holding your hands. So we were producing videos of this that we sent to the very researchers publishing the papers we read and getting wonderful feedback from them - but some really malicious people seeing it on our blog called in to child protective services screeching about buying a Filipina from her parents against her will, holding her immigration documents hostage, and abusing her son by forcing him to learn to walk "too early".

So they raided, and we actually fled the country before learning that our pediatrician threw them out of her office. She told them they were idiots. She knew everything we were doing and knew the literature whereas these CPS workers didn't even know what peer review literature was. But after we returned, we tried to call early child development people at the state department of education. Looking for curriculum. And instead of helping us they told us that they disagreed with what we were doing. Teaching the alphabet, reading and all so early.

So then most recently we had heard the state will give an allotment to people for musical instruments, computers and such if they are homeschooling. But through a number of really frustrating phone calls I came to the realization that they are lying about what "homeschool" is, and that under the definition we don't qualify for any allotment. That's because under state law it is only CORRESPONDENCE schools that can give allotments to parents. These are public schools, and everyone who is not a total retard understands what correspondence school is.

These correspondence schools call themselves correspondence schools when they interface with the state, for funding. But then they turn around and call themselves HOMESCHOOLS to the parents. They were trying to pretend to me that I had to go in to the school district and meet with a teacher that would design the curriculum, supposedly with my input, and then I could get my allotment for a computer and set of drums for my boys. I told everyone I talked to that I was holding the state law in my hand that prohibited them from exercising any authority over me whatsoever in my child's education. They kept insisting that was not true. They tried to convince me in other words that as a parent you don't have this right and that "Homeschooling" means public school correspondence where the parent does nothing but watch on the sidelines. They get paid by the state for correspondence whereas they get nothing for a homeschooler like us. That's why they want to manipulate people into their correspondence school.

Many places we have looked to try enrolling in something already established so we don't have to design the whole thing has resulted in the same: too young to enroll because of government regulations. He is in Khan Academy for math because it is a free internet site.

I was singing the ABC song through my wife's womb every day to these kids before they were born. When they popped out and I started singing that song their heads lurched over to look at me. They both said STFU, I am so sick of that song!

Edited July 23, 2014 by rlogan

[mota bhai 2,675]

From http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/history_socialscience/next_version/stds_all_history.pdf

The student will demonstrate knowledge of Islamic civilization from about 600 to 1000 A.D.
(C.E.) by
a) describing the origin, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Islam;
b) assessing the influence of geography on Islamic economic, social, and political
development, including the impact of conquest and trade;
c) identifying historical turning points that affected the spread and influence of Islamic
civilization, with emphasis on the Sunni-Shi’a division and the Battle of Tours;
d) citing cultural and scientific contributions and achievements of Islamic civilization.

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the influence of Judaism, Christianity, Islam,

Buddhism, and Hinduism in the contemporary world by
a) describing their beliefs, sacred writings, traditions, and customs;
b) locating the geographic distribution of religions in the contemporary world.

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the Reformation in terms of its impact on Western

civilization by
a) explaining the effects of the theological, political, and economic differences that emerged,
including the views and actions of Martin Luther, John Calvin, Henry VIII, and Elizabeth I;

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the civilizations of Persia, India, and China in terms

of chronology, geography, social structures, government, economy, religion, and contributions
to later civilizations by
a) describing Persia, including Zoroastrianism and the development of an imperial
bureaucracy;
b) describing India, with emphasis on the Aryan migrations and the caste system;
c) describing the origins, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Hinduism;
d) describing the origins, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Buddhism;

[mota bhai 2,675]

The worst of it was invading our home, separating us, interrogating us, and indeed terrorizing us for teaching our oldest how to walk. Yes, you heard that right.

We learned from peer review literature on early infant development that if you hold your two month-old by the hands and gradually help him doing assisted walking that it launches them into what they call the "Dawn of Active Thought". Instead of lying there stupidly in a basinet, they start mapping their world, thinking ahead and planning, evaluating risk, remembering cause-and-effect, etc.

So if you want their BRAIN to develop, early walking is a key insight. Even though they are holding your hands. So we were producing videos of this that we sent to the very researchers publishing the papers we read and getting wonderful feedback from them - but some really malicious people seeing it on our blog called in to child protective services screeching about buying a Filipina from her parents against her will, holding her immigration documents hostage, and abusing her son by forcing him to learn to walk "too early".

So they raided, and we actually fled the country before learning that our pediatrician threw them out of her office. She told them they were idiots. She knew everything we were doing and knew the literature whereas these CPS workers didn't even know what peer review literature was. But after we returned, we tried to call early child development people at the state department of education. Looking for curriculum. And instead of helping us they told us that they disagreed with what we were doing. Teaching the alphabet, reading and all so early.

So then most recently we had heard the state will give an allotment to people for musical instruments, computers and such if they are homeschooling. But through a number of really frustrating phone calls I came to the realization that they are lying about what "homeschool" is, and that under the definition we don't qualify for any allotment. That's because under state law it is only CORRESPONDENCE schools that can give allotments to parents. These are public schools, and everyone who is not a total retard understands what correspondence school is.

These correspondence schools call themselves correspondence schools when they interface with the state, for funding. But then they turn around and call themselves HOMESCHOOLS to the parents. They were trying to pretend to me that I had to go in to the school district and meet with a teacher that would design the curriculum, supposedly with my input, and then I could get my allotment for a computer and set of drums for my boys. I told everyone I talked to that I was holding the state law in my hand that prohibited them from exercising any authority over me whatsoever in my child's education. They kept insisting that was not true. They tried to convince me in other words that as a parent you don't have this right and that "Homeschooling" means public school correspondence where the parent does nothing but watch on the sidelines. They get paid by the state for correspondence whereas they get nothing for a homeschooler like us. That's why they want to manipulate people into their correspondence school.

Many places we have looked to try enrolling in something already established so we don't have to design the whole thing has resulted in the same: too young to enroll because of government regulations. He is in Khan Academy for math because it is a free internet site.

I was singing the ABC song through my wife's womb every day to these kids before they were born. When they popped out and I started singing that song their heads lurched over to look at me. They both said STFU, I am so sick of that song!

Sounds like you fell victim to the Mommy Olympics.

[rlogan 2,036]

Sounds like you fell victim to the Mommy Olympics.

Oh, hey we're accustomed to malicious people framing what we're doing as bad. In fact, both Dr. Karen Adolph at NYU and Dr. Phil Zelazo who wrote the seminal research in Walking in the Newborn told us we should expect it for the rest of their lives.

The trick with this kind of attack is to try putting the target on the defensive, and I am supposed to get all embarrassed by it. But we follow the people publishing peer reviewed science instead of anonymous internet posters who think they can shame us. Lol. As if we would listen to you.

[mota bhai 2,675]

Oh, hey we're accustomed to malicious people framing what we're doing as bad. In fact, both Dr. Karen Adolph at NYU and Dr. Phil Zelazo who wrote the seminal research in Walking in the Newborn told us we should expect it for the rest of their lives.

The trick with this kind of attack is to try putting the target on the defensive, and I am supposed to get all embarrassed by it. But we follow the people publishing peer reviewed science instead of anonymous internet posters who think they can shame us. Lol. As if we would listen to you.

You are pissing them off right now, in fact.

[decocker 7,198]

From http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/history_socialscience/next_version/stds_all_history.pdf

The student will demonstrate knowledge of Islamic civilization from about 600 to 1000 A.D.

(C.E.) by

a) describing the origin, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Islam;

b) assessing the influence of geography on Islamic economic, social, and political

development, including the impact of conquest and trade;

c) identifying historical turning points that affected the spread and influence of Islamic

civilization, with emphasis on the Sunni-Shi’a division and the Battle of Tours;

d) citing cultural and scientific contributions and achievements of Islamic civilization.

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the influence of Judaism, Christianity, Islam,

Buddhism, and Hinduism in the contemporary world by

a) describing their beliefs, sacred writings, traditions, and customs;

b) locating the geographic distribution of religions in the contemporary world.

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the Reformation in terms of its impact on Western

civilization by

a) explaining the effects of the theological, political, and economic differences that emerged,

including the views and actions of Martin Luther, John Calvin, Henry VIII, and Elizabeth I;

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the civilizations of Persia, India, and China in terms

of chronology, geography, social structures, government, economy, religion, and contributions

to later civilizations by

a) describing Persia, including Zoroastrianism and the development of an imperial

bureaucracy;

b) describing India, with emphasis on the Aryan migrations and the caste system;

c) describing the origins, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Hinduism;

d) describing the origins, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Buddhism;

i search i no find. but i'm slow..so what page is that on?

[rlogan 2,036]

You are pissing them off right now, in fact.

lol. Pissing who off. You apparently didn't read that right. Not Zelazo or Adolph, that's for sure.

Pissing off parents that have kids who can't read - sure. Because it makes them look irresponsible, which they are. The one thing we understand well enough is that the US Educational system is not the standard by which we should compare our children.

Pretty laughable to talk about "mommy Olympics" with a nation performing so abysmally in education. The USA is below average in math and I think 23rd in science. A responsible parent should be scoffing at the performance of the US School System and blowing the doors off it.

[mota bhai 2,675]

i search i no find. but i'm slow..so what page is that on?

The student will demonstrate knowledge of Islamic civilization from about 600 to 1000 A.D. - page 22

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the influence of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism in the contemporary world - page 27

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the Reformation in terms of its impact on Western civilization - page 24

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the civilizations of Persia, India, and China in terms of chronology, geography, social structures, government, economy, religion, and contributions to later civilizations - page 21

[2ndMessiah 184]

From http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/history_socialscience/next_version/stds_all_history.pdf

The student will demonstrate knowledge of Islamic civilization from about 600 to 1000 A.D.

(C.E.) by

a) describing the origin, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Islam;

b) assessing the influence of geography on Islamic economic, social, and political

development, including the impact of conquest and trade;

c) identifying historical turning points that affected the spread and influence of Islamic

civilization, with emphasis on the Sunni-Shi’a division and the Battle of Tours;

d) citing cultural and scientific contributions and achievements of Islamic civilization.

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the influence of Judaism, Christianity, Islam,

Buddhism, and Hinduism in the contemporary world by

a) describing their beliefs, sacred writings, traditions, and customs;

b) locating the geographic distribution of religions in the contemporary world.

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the Reformation in terms of its impact on Western

civilization by

a) explaining the effects of the theological, political, and economic differences that emerged,

including the views and actions of Martin Luther, John Calvin, Henry VIII, and Elizabeth I;

...

The student will demonstrate knowledge of the civilizations of Persia, India, and China in terms

of chronology, geography, social structures, government, economy, religion, and contributions

to later civilizations by

a) describing Persia, including Zoroastrianism and the development of an imperial

bureaucracy;

b) describing India, with emphasis on the Aryan migrations and the caste system;

c) describing the origins, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Hinduism;

d) describing the origins, beliefs, traditions, customs, and spread of Buddhism;

Thats great thanks. I am away to have a talk with my sons to see if they have covered this yet. Interesting.

I now hold the Virginia Public schools in slightly higher esteem.

Its a shame they couldn't adopt the new Core standards though.

Edited July 24, 2014 by 2ndMessiah

[mota bhai 2,675]

lol. Pissing who off. You apparently didn't read that right. Not Zelazo or Adolph, that's for sure.

Pissing off parents that have kids who can't read - sure. Because it makes them look irresponsible, which they are. The one thing we understand well enough is that the US Educational system is not the standard by which we should compare our children.

Pretty laughable to talk about "mommy Olympics" with a nation performing so abysmally in education. The USA is below average in math and I think 23rd in science. A responsible parent should be scoffing at the performance of the US School System and blowing the doors off it.

In America, student achievement is measured by how smart Young Johnny thinks he is, not how smart he actually is.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

What about Islamic civilization before 600 AD?

[mota bhai 2,675]

Their prophet was born in 570 A.D (the 6th century).

Here is some supplemental (and easy) reading for those interested:

http://eawc.evansville.edu/chronology/ispage.htm

[rlogan 2,036]

He's probably tired of those seven virgins by now.