Work auth needed for SSN?

[Together4ever 1]

Yep. But his heart was so in the right place. Bless him.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Yep. But his heart was so in the right place. Bless him.

agreed. it takes time to learn those things we all take for granted in the usa - like which soap to use and so on.

[Together4ever 1]

Makes me feel almost silly that we make things so complicated... hand soap, body soap, soft soap, bar soap, dish soap, dishWASHER soap, laundry soap... AAAAARRRGH. I remember when my grandmother made just plain ole lye soap and used it for everything. The bain of technology I suppose.

[~ Karima ~ 0]

Don't EVEN ask me about the hand soap in the dishwasher...)

Simo did the same thing, only he used regular dish soap. I came home to towels all over the floor and he could'nt understand why the kitchen was flooded with sudsy water.

[noura 0]

Don't EVEN ask me about the hand soap in the dishwasher...)

Simo did the same thing, only he used regular dish soap. I came home to towels all over the floor and he could'nt understand why the kitchen was flooded with sudsy water.

We *are* the dishwashers here... so that's not a problem!

[Together4ever 1]

We should start a thread on "Things to remember to tell your SO when they arrive".

[Bosco 1]

It's def not worth the risk of "under the table" employment if they are caught - possible deportation for the SO and huge fines for the employer!

Actually a K1 holder *is* authorized to work as long as the I-94 is valid even without the temp EAD, the problem is that an employer is required to ask for proof of this authorization, and the only valid form is the temp EAD. If one were to work without the temp EAD, they wouldn't be doing anything wrong (and not subject to deportation), as long as they subsequently declared that income when filing their taxes. It is the employer who would be subject to fines, etc. for not verifying eligibilty for employment.

IOW it's a big confusing mess!

My husband got the temp EAD when he arrived, but I can't say that it sped up or made easier any part of the process.

Are you sure about this? I called the service center a while ago and they could not answer and so I transferred me to an immigration officer. I was told that K1 status and I-94 absolutely do not make one eligible to work and work authorization absolutely is required. An I-94 only shows your permission to be in the United States, and does not authorize work if you are here on a K1.

from USCIS

Can a K-1 Visa Holder Work in the United States?

As a K-1 visa holder you may file Form I-765 Application for Employment Authorization with the USCIS office that serves the area where you live for a work permit (employment authorization document). For more information see How Do I Get a Work Permit (Employment Authorization Document)?

[Jenn! 918]

It's def not worth the risk of "under the table" employment if they are caught - possible deportation for the SO and huge fines for the employer!

Actually a K1 holder *is* authorized to work as long as the I-94 is valid even without the temp EAD, the problem is that an employer is required to ask for proof of this authorization, and the only valid form is the temp EAD. If one were to work without the temp EAD, they wouldn't be doing anything wrong (and not subject to deportation), as long as they subsequently declared that income when filing their taxes. It is the employer who would be subject to fines, etc. for not verifying eligibilty for employment.

IOW it's a big confusing mess!

My husband got the temp EAD when he arrived, but I can't say that it sped up or made easier any part of the process.

Are you sure about this? I called the service center a while ago and they could not answer and so I transferred me to an immigration officer. I was told that K1 status and I-94 absolutely do not make one eligible to work and work authorization absolutely is required. An I-94 only shows your permission to be in the United States, and does not authorize work if you are here on a K1.

from USCIS

Can a K-1 Visa Holder Work in the United States?

As a K-1 visa holder you may file Form I-765 Application for Employment Authorization with the USCIS office that serves the area where you live for a work permit (employment authorization document). For more information see How Do I Get a Work Permit (Employment Authorization Document)?

Well, technically K1 holders are authorized to work while the I-94 is valid, but good luck trying to get an employer to hire you without showing one of the documents required to fill out the I-9 (namely, in this case, the EAD). The fact that K1's *are* authorized to work becomes moot since employers are not authorized to hire them.

Check section C here:

https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/36f...b4?OpenDocument

This is the reason that K1's can get a SSN before the EAD, while K3's can not. K1's are technically employment authorized, but they still need to actually get the EAD before an employer can hire them legally.

I, of course, can not claim authority on this over the immigration officer you spoke to, but I think he is wrong. I've read about them trying to change this law so that K1's are *not* employment authorized, but nothing about this has gone through yet.

Check out this thread:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46825

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

It's def not worth the risk of "under the table" employment if they are caught - possible deportation for the SO and huge fines for the employer!

Actually a K1 holder *is* authorized to work as long as the I-94 is valid even without the temp EAD, the problem is that an employer is required to ask for proof of this authorization, and the only valid form is the temp EAD. If one were to work without the temp EAD, they wouldn't be doing anything wrong (and not subject to deportation), as long as they subsequently declared that income when filing their taxes. It is the employer who would be subject to fines, etc. for not verifying eligibilty for employment.

IOW it's a big confusing mess!

My husband got the temp EAD when he arrived, but I can't say that it sped up or made easier any part of the process.

Are you sure about this? I called the service center a while ago and they could not answer and so I transferred me to an immigration officer. I was told that K1 status and I-94 absolutely do not make one eligible to work and work authorization absolutely is required. An I-94 only shows your permission to be in the United States, and does not authorize work if you are here on a K1.

from USCIS

Can a K-1 Visa Holder Work in the United States?

As a K-1 visa holder you may file Form I-765 Application for Employment Authorization with the USCIS office that serves the area where you live for a work permit (employment authorization document). For more information see How Do I Get a Work Permit (Employment Authorization Document)?

Well, technically K1 holders are authorized to work while the I-94 is valid, but good luck trying to get an employer to hire you without showing one of the documents required to fill out the I-9 (namely, in this case, the EAD). The fact that K1's *are* authorized to work becomes moot since employers are not authorized to hire them.

Check section C here:

https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/36f...b4?OpenDocument

This is the reason that K1's can get a SSN before the EAD, while K3's can not. K1's are technically employment authorized, but they still need to actually get the EAD before an employer can hire them legally.

I, of course, can not claim authority on this over the immigration officer you spoke to, but I think he is wrong. I've read about them trying to change this law so that K1's are *not* employment authorized, but nothing about this has gone through yet.

Check out this thread:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46825

that is my understanding of it too. a k-1 can work until married. however, fat chance of getting an employer (or the ssn office in some cases) to admit the ssn regulations say that.

[Bosco 1]

It's def not worth the risk of "under the table" employment if they are caught - possible deportation for the SO and huge fines for the employer!

Actually a K1 holder *is* authorized to work as long as the I-94 is valid even without the temp EAD, the problem is that an employer is required to ask for proof of this authorization, and the only valid form is the temp EAD. If one were to work without the temp EAD, they wouldn't be doing anything wrong (and not subject to deportation), as long as they subsequently declared that income when filing their taxes. It is the employer who would be subject to fines, etc. for not verifying eligibilty for employment.

IOW it's a big confusing mess!

My husband got the temp EAD when he arrived, but I can't say that it sped up or made easier any part of the process.

Are you sure about this? I called the service center a while ago and they could not answer and so I transferred me to an immigration officer. I was told that K1 status and I-94 absolutely do not make one eligible to work and work authorization absolutely is required. An I-94 only shows your permission to be in the United States, and does not authorize work if you are here on a K1.

from USCIS

Can a K-1 Visa Holder Work in the United States?

As a K-1 visa holder you may file Form I-765 Application for Employment Authorization with the USCIS office that serves the area where you live for a work permit (employment authorization document). For more information see How Do I Get a Work Permit (Employment Authorization Document)?

Well, technically K1 holders are authorized to work while the I-94 is valid, but good luck trying to get an employer to hire you without showing one of the documents required to fill out the I-9 (namely, in this case, the EAD). The fact that K1's *are* authorized to work becomes moot since employers are not authorized to hire them.

Check section C here:

https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/36f...b4?OpenDocument

This is the reason that K1's can get a SSN before the EAD, while K3's can not. K1's are technically employment authorized, but they still need to actually get the EAD before an employer can hire them legally.

I, of course, can not claim authority on this over the immigration officer you spoke to, but I think he is wrong. I've read about them trying to change this law so that K1's are *not* employment authorized, but nothing about this has gone through yet.

Check out this thread:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46825

The officer I spoke with actually discussed this and said this information was incorrect. Also said this is why the SS card is issued requiring work authorization.

[yassmine2878 1]

The OP has returned. Back to your seats everyone! Charles, stop sticking the girls pigtails in the inkwells.

Thanks to all for the fantastic info, we REALLY appreciate it. I cannot tell you how grateful I am to get such a wealth of knowledge and experience from you guys.

We should start a thread on "Things to remember to tell your SO when they arrive".

Here here!

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

The OP has returned. Back to your seats everyone! Charles, stop sticking the girls pigtails in the inkwells.

[LaL 418]

It's def not worth the risk of "under the table" employment if they are caught - possible deportation for the SO and huge fines for the employer!

Actually a K1 holder *is* authorized to work as long as the I-94 is valid even without the temp EAD, the problem is that an employer is required to ask for proof of this authorization, and the only valid form is the temp EAD. If one were to work without the temp EAD, they wouldn't be doing anything wrong (and not subject to deportation), as long as they subsequently declared that income when filing their taxes. It is the employer who would be subject to fines, etc. for not verifying eligibilty for employment.

IOW it's a big confusing mess!

My husband got the temp EAD when he arrived, but I can't say that it sped up or made easier any part of the process.

Are you sure about this? I called the service center a while ago and they could not answer and so I transferred me to an immigration officer. I was told that K1 status and I-94 absolutely do not make one eligible to work and work authorization absolutely is required. An I-94 only shows your permission to be in the United States, and does not authorize work if you are here on a K1.

from USCIS

Can a K-1 Visa Holder Work in the United States?

As a K-1 visa holder you may file Form I-765 Application for Employment Authorization with the USCIS office that serves the area where you live for a work permit (employment authorization document). For more information see How Do I Get a Work Permit (Employment Authorization Document)?

Well, technically K1 holders are authorized to work while the I-94 is valid, but good luck trying to get an employer to hire you without showing one of the documents required to fill out the I-9 (namely, in this case, the EAD). The fact that K1's *are* authorized to work becomes moot since employers are not authorized to hire them.

Check section C here:

https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/36f...b4?OpenDocument

This is the reason that K1's can get a SSN before the EAD, while K3's can not. K1's are technically employment authorized, but they still need to actually get the EAD before an employer can hire them legally.

I, of course, can not claim authority on this over the immigration officer you spoke to, but I think he is wrong. I've read about them trying to change this law so that K1's are *not* employment authorized, but nothing about this has gone through yet.

Check out this thread:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46825

that is my understanding of it too. a k-1 can work until married. however, fat chance of getting an employer (or the ssn office in some cases) to admit the ssn regulations say that.

exactly correct. it's the I-9 requirement component that fouls things up for K1's in the first 90 days. You are employment authorized (EA) but cannot prove it without the document (EAD) that employers need to satisfy the I-9.