Multiple deportee arrested in molestation of 9-year-old North Texas girl

[belinda63 3,051]

So violating US Federal Immigration Law is not committing a crime?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Justice by vigilante prisoner? Not my idea of justice. Murder is murder, regardless. I think it's appalling to laud the actions of violent prisoners just because they occasionally mete violence out to a sexual criminal. That's just a complete breakdown in the prison system, not justice or something that rational people would or should applaud.

Nah, but in prison, it's a known fact that rapists and child molesters don't last long at all. It's a code they live by. I have 3 sons, and I don't wish ill on anybody, but if that happened to anyone of my kids, I'd be hard pressed to not want to do something like that to the perp.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

You could quite easily introduce work permits and visas for the people who want to come here to work in jobs that US citizens do not want to do, for whatever reason as well, but that's not what you suggested. You said 'keeping them locked up' would stop them from coming in again'. Well, stringing them up would achieve the same thing as would putting them in rockets and shooting them off to the moon. There are myriads of inappropriate solutions, how many would you like to bring up, not as 'suggestions' but merely as what? Random thoughts? Or, was that it?

There is already a process in place for hiring out of country workers for jobs Americans don't want. Why don't you read my last post and see if makes sense. E-Verify is not an inappropriate solution. Try to twist that into the circle talk.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So violating US Federal Immigration Law is not committing a crime?

Illegal entry by a Mexican citizen is a crime that has about the same consequences as jaywalking.

[Merrytooth 5,748]

Nah, but in prison, it's a known fact that rapists and child molesters don't last long at all. It's a code they live by. I have 3 sons, and I don't wish ill on anybody, but if that happened to anyone of my kids, I'd be hard pressed to not want to do something like that to the perp.

This reminded me of this news in Brazil:

http://elitedaily.com/news/world/brazilian-man-raped-killed-1-year-old-baby-gets-gang-raped-20-prisoners/

[Peikko 1,575]

Nah, but in prison, it's a known fact that rapists and child molesters don't last long at all. It's a code they live by. I have 3 sons, and I don't wish ill on anybody, but if that happened to anyone of my kids, I'd be hard pressed to not want to do something like that to the perp.

Which, I find odd coming from someone who is supposed to espouse religious principals.

First off, if this really is something that regularly occurs in US prisons that's appalling and not something that should be complacently accepted. There is no justice in vigilantism, how could you derive any satisfaction at all from a death at the hands of someone in prison who is 'supposed' to be incarcerated because of their violent crimes to prevent them from committing those crimes? Allowing them to continue to perpetrate violence on other inmates because sexual crimes that do not result in death do not qualify for the death sentence is wretched, I just can't begin to make any sense of that. It's just wrong, period. If you want to advocate capitol punishment for sexual crimes, that's an option, not one that I would ever agree with, but at least it would be part of the judicial process. 'Allowing' criminals to kill each other because there is a view that sexual criminals are less than human? There is no justification for this attitude, none whatsoever, it's just messed up, big time. Wrong on every level.

You should maybe look at what forgiveness really means in religious terms - it's easy to forgive those who do not really sin, the true test is forgiving someone who has done something heinous - and forgiveness is NOT acceptance of what they have done, but not buying into the negative cycle that is revenge. More than that hatred of that magnitude is not healthy, even in theory.

Edited July 14, 2014 by Peikko

[Peikko 1,575]

There is already a process in place for hiring out of country workers for jobs Americans don't want. Why don't you read my last post and see if makes sense. E-Verify is not an inappropriate solution. Try to twist that into the circle talk.

Migrant workers do not qualify for any type of visa, E-Verify does not address the issue of low paid jobs that US citizens do not want to do, for whatever reasons. Do not start with the negativity, I am not the one who wandered off into lalaland with incarcerating people who haven't committed any crimes, you did that.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Which, I find odd coming from someone who is supposed to espouse religious principals.

First off, if this really is something that regularly occurs in US prisons that's appalling and not something that should be complacently accepted. There is no justice in vigilantism, how could you derive any satisfaction at all from a death at the hands of someone in prison who is 'supposed' to be incarcerated because of their violent crimes to prevent them from committing those crimes? Allowing them to continue to perpetrate violence on other inmates because sexual crimes that do not result in death do not qualify for the death sentence is wretched? I just can't begin to make any sense of that. It's just wrong, period. If you want to advocate capitol punishment for sexual crimes, that's an option, not one that I would ever agree with, but at least it would be part of the judicial process. 'Allowing' criminals to kill each other because there is a view that sexual criminals are less than human? There is no justification for this attitude, none whatsoever, it's just messed up, big time. Wrong on every level.

You should maybe look at what forgiveness really means in religious terms - it's easy to forgive those who do not really sin, the true test is forgiving someone who has done something heinous - and forgiveness is NOT acceptance of what they have done, but not buying into the negative cycle that is revenge. More than that hatred of that magnitude is not healthy, even in theory.

Like I said, I'd be hard pressed not to do something. Doesn't mean I'd commit murder. We're all human, even those who walk the path of religion.

I didn't say it was allowed, but it does happen.

[Peikko 1,575]

Like I said, I'd be hard pressed not to do something. Doesn't mean I'd commit murder. We're all human, even those who walk the path of religion.

I didn't say it was allowed, but it does happen.

Why? What can you possibly do to someone that commits that type of crime that would make you feel better other than 'turning the other cheek'? Any type of violence debases the person who commits the violence and renders their outrage rather moot. Of course, I am not saying that any of this is 'easy' for anyone, but I am just questioning why anyone would even, in passing, suggest that justice would be served by having a sexual criminal killed by a fellow inmate.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Migrant workers do not qualify for any type of visa, E-Verify does not address the issue of low paid jobs that US citizens do not want to do, for whatever reasons. Do not start with the negativity, I am not the one who wandered off into lalaland with incarcerating people who haven't committed any crimes, you did that.

I didn't say migrant workers you did. Leopards don't change their spots, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway. You are what you are. Your husband must be a saint.

[Peikko 1,575]

I didn't say migrant workers you did. Leopards don't change their spots, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway. You are what you are. Your husband must be a saint.

I will totally ignore the ridiculous attempt to side step this into some kind of personal exchange. You are saying that e verify would magically solve the problem of undocumented migrants, I am saying that you are wrong, there are jobs that need to be done by someone, currently these not too fun jobs are mostly undertaken by undocumented migrant workers who would happily come here, do the jobs and go back home to their own country with their paychecks in their pockets if the US chose to issue visas for this type of unpopular and not very handsomely paid work. E-Verify does not address this issue at all, and yet the vast majority of undocumented migrants who come here are here doing just that.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Why? What can you possibly do to someone that commits that type of crime that would make you feel better other than 'turning the other cheek'? Any type of violence debases the person who commits the violence and renders their outrage rather moot. Of course, I am not saying that any of this is 'easy' for anyone, but I am just questioning why anyone would even, in passing, suggest that justice would be served by having a sexual criminal killed by a fellow inmate.

Once again I didn't say it was right.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I will totally ignore the ridiculous attempt to side step this into some kind of personal exchange. You are saying that e verify would magically solve the problem of undocumented migrants, I am saying that you are wrong, there are jobs that need to be done by someone, currently these not too fun jobs are mostly undertaken by undocumented migrant workers who would happily come here, do the jobs and go back home to their own country with their paychecks in their pockets if the US chose to issue visas for this type of unpopular and not very handsomely paid work. E-Verify does not address this issue at all, and yet the vast majority of undocumented migrants who come here are here doing just that.

You really have no idea what goes on in the underground community. You honestly think that those 12 million illegals currently here would rather be back in their home countries? You keep talking about migrant workers, Where do you live, CA? The illegals here in NE have year round jobs.

[Peikko 1,575]

You really have no idea what goes on in the underground community. You honestly think that those 12 million illegals currently here would rather be back in their home countries? You keep talking about migrant workers, Where do you live, CA? The illegals here in NE have year round jobs.

Not every undocumented migrant is the same. However, there are a lot of migrant workers in the US who would perfectly happily work here and go back home with their pay packets if that was an option Having a year round job does not mean that the person wouldn't go home and come back were it legal to do so either. Some would, some wouldn't. A solution would encompass all these issues. E-verify on its own is not a solution, it's a sticking plaster.

Once again I didn't say it was right.

No, you didn't say it was right, but, if it's not right, why wouldn't you find a way to a different solution rather than accepting something that is, quite frankly, wrong?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It's easy for them to come back when they get deported or turned back when they get caught. If they don't commit any crimes, there are no consequences, so they can try to enter as often as they like.

actually they have committed crime. 4 times in fact.

Singapore jailed and caned people who overstayed or illegally entered the country

Odd isn't it. coutnries that have real consequences don't have that problem

I'm not advocating anything, It's not practical to lock up tens of thousands of people caught trying to cross the border. It's like a revolving door. I simply pointed out that there is no way to stop this from happening. Someone can get deported 10 times and nothing will happen to them to deter them from trying again. My solution would be to make E-Verify and a few other things mandatory. No jobs, no mass asylum, no reason to come. Those here would go home. It would be the easiest and cheapest way to solve the problem, but neither party want's to do it. Even our prime fact ignoring, die hard everything is Obama's fault VJ'ers don't want it.

Try getting a bill run thru congress that makes hiring illegals a serious crime. The pubs would have a coronary for one reason and the dems for another .