US Citizens Arrested For Protesting Arrival Of Bus Full Of Illegals

[Boiler 45,486]

How much would First Class Air tickets cost?

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Quite true. But we're better than the new illegal immigrants.

Only cuz our guns reload faster and shoot farther. And our Ford Mustangs outrun anything the Natives ever rode...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And why not? How many do you see risking their lives to live in the UK?

Or to put another spin on it... why do you think the original settlers risked SO MUCH to leave the British tyranny?

Probably because it's more practical to cross a land border to an adjacent country. The UK is a tad far from Mexico, at least that's my guess. You might have a different idea?

[aaron2020 11,651]

I have not seen any suggestion that they are Asylum Seekers.

The issue is that none are Mexican and are entering through Mexico.

Potential DACA beneficiaries would seem most descriptive.

DACA does not apply to those arriving after June 15, 2012. So, they are not potential DACA beneficiaries as you assert.

Just because you have not seen any suggestion that they are asylum seekers, I suggest you read these articles from CBS News, PBS Neweshour, and LA Times which talks about these children seeking asylum. Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News probably leave that out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-illegal-immigration-plan-alarms-migrant-childrens-advocates/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/hope-citizenship-endemic-violence-driving-migrant-children-cross-border/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-answers-20140621-story.html

And why deoes it matter that they are not Mexicans and entered from Mexico? However is this an issue?

[Boiler 45,486]

I am talking about the next round of DACA. Has been suggested that Obama will use his executive powers again.

I presume you are aware of the requirements for asylum. From your own link:

JESSICA VAUGHAN, Center for Immigration Studies: Well, there certainly is poverty and violence in the three countries that are sending most of the people across the border in South Texas now, but many of them who are coming are not actually coming from the violent areas of those countries.

They’re coming from all over, rural areas, areas distant from the violence. What we do know from Border Patrol intelligence, from immigration agencies’ assessment, from all of the interviews that the migrant themselves have done with reporters, from their own government officials, is that the main reason that they’re coming is because they know that they will be allowed to stay, for the most part.

And that’s what’s driving this at this time. They have been told by friends and family who have already come here illegally what they can say and that if they come with kids or if they send their kids, that the chances are almost certain that they will be allowed to stay here.

[aaron2020 11,651]

They are here because of the dream act nonsense mostly is my opnion. Why else would you cross all of dangerous Mexico

Maybe to escape the violence and persecution in their counteries and seek asylum as afforded to them under US law and the US Constitution.

[Boiler 45,486]

Maybe to escape the violence and persecution in their counteries and seek asylum as afforded to them under US law and the US Constitution.

Suggests you read your own links.

[aaron2020 11,651]

It's not about right or left, it's about right and wrong. They crossed the border illegally. They do not have visas. They do not have a valid, LEGAL reason to be here. They WANT to be here. That is all.

So if my wife had left the Philippines, and somehow sneaked into the USA, would you be such a champion for her "right" to be here? Or would you say she should go back home and do it all legally?

Oh Hail, I won't even go there....

The US Constitution and federal laws affording them the right to seek asylum is the valid and legal reason for them to be here regardless of how they entered.

If your wife was seeking asylum, I have no problem with it since the law afford her that right. If she was just seeking in, then I do have a problem with that. Surprised?

[aaron2020 11,651]

I am talking about the next round of DACA. Has been suggested that Obama will use his executive powers again.

I presume you are aware of the requirements for asylum. From your own link:

JESSICA VAUGHAN, Center for Immigration Studies: Well, there certainly is poverty and violence in the three countries that are sending most of the people across the border in South Texas now, but many of them who are coming are not actually coming from the violent areas of those countries.

Theyre coming from all over, rural areas, areas distant from the violence. What we do know from Border Patrol intelligence, from immigration agencies assessment, from all of the interviews that the migrant themselves have done with reporters, from their own government officials, is that the main reason that theyre coming is because they know that they will be allowed to stay, for the most part.

And thats whats driving this at this time. They have been told by friends and family who have already come here illegally what they can say and that if they come with kids or if they send their kids, that the chances are almost certain that they will be allowed to stay here.

The Center for Immigration Studies? That hate group. Really? Biased and Fox News conservatives.

Suggests you read your own links.

I did. What are you confused about?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

The article in the original post is not about children seeking asylum.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

DACA does not apply to those arriving after June 15, 2012. So, they are not potential DACA beneficiaries as you assert.

Just because you have not seen any suggestion that they are asylum seekers, I suggest you read these articles from CBS News, PBS Newshour, and LA Times which talks about these children seeking asylum. Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News probably leave that out.

And why does it matter that they are not Mexicans and entered from Mexico? However is this an issue?

Because the law is different for people from bordering countries.. Read the third link you posted, it was answered there.. These people not being from Mexico are by definition not a bordering country and are therefore handled differently.

As far as seeking asylum: They *all* say they are seeking asylum because that is what they were told to say...

I see one of the ideas being floated is to allow for an asylum claim to be made in the various home countries so they don't need to make the journey unless they would eventually be allowed to stay. Sounds like a good litmus test to see where some advocates really stand...

Edited July 9, 2014 by OnMyWayID

[TBoneTX 45,287]

One inadvertent duplicate post and 5 others (off-topic and quoting) have been removed. Please stick to the topic.

[UncleBeer 244]

How much would First Class Air tickets cost?

According to Senator Tom Coburn:

"We can put them all on a first class seat to their homes, that's $8 million,' he added.

Contrast this with the $3.7 billion requested by the preznit to make sure illegals are ferried further into the US and made really, really comfortable while waiting for their hearing which they absolutely will show up for.

[UncleBeer 244]

More on that "first class plane ticket" alternative"

It’s also closer to fly them from McAllen to Guatemala City than to Murietta, California. Only 1,297 miles compared to 1,549 miles. And no protesters.

But what about the red-tape processing that Obama says gets in ther way? We know the president skirts inconvenient laws when he wants to do so. And although there is some red tape for the minors, there is no federal law that requires officials to drag their feet on deporting the thousands of adults newly arrived from Central America. And no red tape on the accompanied minors. All of them can be placed on planes pronto, arriving home far more quickly than it took them to journey to Texas. And arriving there more quickly than flying to California.

[Boiler 45,486]

Which begs the question what the end game is.