Brigitte Gabriel gives FANTASTIC answer to Muslim woman claiming all Muslims are portrayed badly

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

We just don't have a world wide problem with Christian extremists. Many of you keep comparing the organized efforts of radical Islam to any bad thing a Christan does, and their are plenty of Bat crazy Christians..

However there are no whole countries run by Christian fundamentalists, that oppress women and where it is unsafe for Non-Christians to travel. There are no organized Christian groups world wide that slam planes into buildings in the name of God.

About the only thing i can think of is, there have been one or two random events of some wacko bombing an abortion clinic, but these peopel were quickly brought to justice and universally condemned by main stream Christians.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nice try. The LOWEST estimate I have sen is 7%. That's 112 million "attacks" you are looking for. As to why? Even though their numbers may be pretty high, their courage and cohesion lacks quite a bit. Plus, though it may APPEAR that many want all those virgins promised in heaven (though why ANYONE would want even one is beyond me), I suspect that most extremists realize that pushing the little red button means THE END, and not all are quite as ready to head up north...

So are there 112 million attacks? That's a shabby, dishonest argument.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We just don't have a world wide problem with Christian extremists. Many of you keep comparing the organized efforts of radical Islam to any bad thing a Christan does, and their are plenty of Bat crazy Christians..

However there are no whole countries run by Christian fundamentalists, that oppress women and where it is unsafe for Non-Christians to travel. There are no organized Christian groups world wide that slam planes into buildings in the name of God.

About the only thing i can think of is, there have been one or two random events of some wacko bombing an abortion clinic, but these peopel were quickly brought to justice and universally condemned by main stream Christians.

Untrue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I think there is a good possibility her question was planted. Brigitte's answer was just too rehearsed and too ready. She lacked conviction. By the way, nice tap dancing...

So a well known curseder against Islamic extremist , recurited an Islamic extremist to come to her forum and set her up with a question

Brilliant Holmes

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Actually it wasn't. I'm sorry, but practicing my faith properly doesn't make me irreverent, nor am I responsible for the animals that commit atrocities that claim to follow Islam(they don't). Because if that's the case, every single crime committed here by a Christian, needs to be held accountable.

"During the panel, Gabriel argued that “15-25 percent” of the world’s Muslims are extremists, and that the remaining “moderates” are “irrelevant” (I shouldn’t have to explain that it’s usually the majority of a given group that makes the minority irrelevant, not vice versa). Based on the lower end of that range, that’s 240 million of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims — the equivalent of every single Muslim in Sub-Saharan Africa, or nearly six times the number of all Muslims on the entire continent of Europe. Where are the examples of such supposedly widespread extremism? Even if a mere 1 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims is committed to violence, why is it that we haven’t seen 16 million violent attacks?"

That absurd. Just because 300 million agree with a certain position does not mean all 300 million are out planning attacks, any more than all 3300+ million Americans fought in Iraq.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Nice try. The LOWEST estimate I have sen is 7%. That's 112 million "attacks" you are looking for. As to why? Even though their numbers may be pretty high, their courage and cohesion lacks quite a bit. Plus, though it may APPEAR that many want all those virgins promised in heaven (though why ANYONE would want even one is beyond me), I suspect that most extremists realize that pushing the little red button means THE END, and not all are quite as ready to head up north...

Or maybe, there isn't that many terrorists willing to kill Americans. Folks may not agree with us, but that doesn't make them insurgents willing to take lives at a moment's notice. That was the point of the article. Those suicide bombers don't care about themselves or the lives they take. If 116 million people wanted us dead, there would be more blood shed. As it stands, more people have died from other Americans in one year than the last 30 years of terrorism here in the US.

That absurd. Just because 300 million agree with a certain position does not mean all 300 million are out planning attacks, any more than all 3300+ million Americans fought in Iraq.

And that was the point. You do realize you're now disagreeing with your original stance?

[JohnR! 5,495]

So a well known curseder against Islamic extremist , recurited an Islamic extremist to come to her forum and set her up with a question

Brilliant Holmes

You sound as though you must have bought a bridge or two in your lifetime...

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Or maybe, there isn't that many terrorists willing to kill Americans. Folks may not agree with us, but that doesn't make them insurgents willing to take lives at a moment's notice. That was the point of the article. Those suicide bombers don't care about themselves or the lives they take. If 116 million people wanted us dead, there would be more blood shed. As it stands, more people have died from other Americans in one year than the last 30 years of terrorism here in the US.

And that was the point. You do realize you're now disagreeing with your original stance?

Hardly but do go on.

You sound as though you must have bought a bridge or two in your lifetime...

C

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Hardly but do go on.

C

Your statement is in direct opposition of the video. According to Miss Gabriel(at around the 1:50 mark) there are between 180 to 300 million muslims dedicated to the destruction of western civilization. That's an entire country of terrorists that want to see if dead. It's absurd like you said, but she thinks it's true.

Here's the point I'm trying to make:

From her stance and those here who think like her, there's no right way to practice Islam. If I'm a "true" Muslim, by that definition, I'm a radical extremist that wants to kill infidels. That makes me the problem. If I'm a "peaceful" Muslim, then I'm a "moderate" which makes me irrelevant because apparently I'm not true enough to Islam to be a terrorist, but I'm also not doing enough to stop terrorism, so that makes me part of the problem. Her statement was if you're doing the right thing, it doesn't matter because the minority is killing people so we're responsible for them. She asked where are the rest of us:

http://www.muslimsforpeace.org/

http://www.irusa.org

http://www.islamforpeace.org/

http://muslimpeacecoalition.org/

http://www.cair.com/

If she is so dedicated about this, get with those groups and have the same conversation. It's easy to talk like that in a room full of like minded individuals and gang up on the one Muslim lady in the room.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Your statement is in direct opposition of the video. According to Miss Gabriel(at around the 1:50 mark) there are between 180 to 300 million muslims dedicated to the destruction of western civilization. That's an entire country of terrorists that want to see if dead. It's absurd like you said, but she thinks it's true.

Here's the point I'm trying to make:

From her stance and those here who think like her, there's no right way to practice Islam. If I'm a "true" Muslim, by that definition, I'm a radical extremist that wants to kill infidels. That makes me the problem. If I'm a "peaceful" Muslim, then I'm a "moderate" which makes me irrelevant because apparently I'm not true enough to Islam to be a terrorist, but I'm also not doing enough to stop terrorism, so that makes me part of the problem. Her statement was if you're doing the right thing, it doesn't matter because the minority is killing people so we're responsible for them. She asked where are the rest of us:

http://www.muslimsforpeace.org/

http://www.irusa.org

http://www.islamforpeace.org/

http://muslimpeacecoalition.org/

http://www.cair.com/

If she is so dedicated about this, get with those groups and have the same conversation. It's easy to talk like that in a room full of like minded individuals and gang up on the one Muslim lady in the room.

When I got out of the Infantry I was a Maintenance officer in the army. I did not actively carry atttacks but I did support those who did. So the point is...If their are 330 million radical Islamic, to suggest that each and every one is engaged in direct terrorist attacks or they are not radical is absurd, to assert that they support or agree with those that do is accurate.

[Karmalicious 60]

Are you suggesting in a roundabout way that Christians are not actually responsible for the ridiculous nonsense of the Westboro Baptist Church?

You guys can play "Troll" Twister all you want. I was serious.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Your statement is in direct opposition of the video. According to Miss Gabriel(at around the 1:50 mark) there are between 180 to 300 million muslims dedicated to the destruction of western civilization. That's an entire country of terrorists that want to see if dead. It's absurd like you said, but she thinks it's true.

Here's the point I'm trying to make:

From her stance and those here who think like her, there's no right way to practice Islam. If I'm a "true" Muslim, by that definition, I'm a radical extremist that wants to kill infidels. That makes me the problem. If I'm a "peaceful" Muslim, then I'm a "moderate" which makes me irrelevant because apparently I'm not true enough to Islam to be a terrorist, but I'm also not doing enough to stop terrorism, so that makes me part of the problem. Her statement was if you're doing the right thing, it doesn't matter because the minority is killing people so we're responsible for them. She asked where are the rest of us:

http://www.muslimsforpeace.org/

http://www.irusa.org

http://www.islamforpeace.org/

http://muslimpeacecoalition.org/

http://www.cair.com/

If she is so dedicated about this, get with those groups and have the same conversation. It's easy to talk like that in a room full of like minded individuals and gang up on the one Muslim lady in the room.

So why did a lady who travels in circles of and supports known radical Muslims, feel it necessary to go to a panel on Benghazi and lobby for non-radical Muslims, which she herself is not a good example of . Kind of hurts her own cause...unless she was a plant... LOL

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

When I got out of the Infantry I was a Maintenance officer in the army. I did not actively carry atttacks but I did support those who did. So the point is...If their are 330 million radical Islamic, to suggest that each and every one is engaged in direct terrorist attacks or they are not radical is absurd, to assert that they support or agree with those that do is accurate.

Listen to the video. She is saying flat out 180 to 300 million Muslims are dedicated to the destruction of the US. Not support or agree with. She is calling them terrorists. Not supporters or sympathizers, terrorists. That's her words. There is no way in God's green earth there are 300 million Al Qaeda members, if there were, you're looking at WW III.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Here's the point I'm trying to make:

Why be part of a religion who's main book, commonly referred to as a bible, teaches its followers to kill those who are not like-minded believers? That's the part I don't get, and don't think I could ever get behind enough to say I am "part of that religion"...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why be part of a religion who's main book, commonly referred to as a bible, teaches its followers to kill those who are not like-minded believers? That's the part I don't get, and don't think I could ever get behind enough to say I am "part of that religion"...

So why do you think the radical interpretations of the Quran are any more meaningful to law abiding Muslims than the Old Testament is to Christians?

What about Revelations in the New Testament? How many Christians believe that on a literal level. No doubt a fair few more in the US than the UK. Is it fair to say that there is more extremism in the USA?

Edited July 8, 2014 by Hail Ming!