Brigitte Gabriel gives FANTASTIC answer to Muslim woman claiming all Muslims are portrayed badly

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I appreciate what you're saying as radical Islam is a clear threat. But it has been that way with Christianity before, for like 1000 years. Now its not, what has changed? The bible didn't, so why would people take a less aggressive message from it now? Its all wealth and education man. Islam is just the vessel used for radicalization. The part of the brain that handles religion can accept a lot of things, its really an oddity. How different are Muslims and Amish people? They're both super conservative and have a no compromises look at religion and religious text. The problem is the situation in all the countries you're talking about. They're super poor, uneducated, and under a totalitarian government in many situations. These are the situations that breed squalor on a mass scale. Islam is just a trick used to get everybody united under the same flag.

What changed was the enlightenment and the rise of secularism. Christianity did not voluntarily give up power it was taken away. I think where we disagree is I don't see it as permanent change that can't be undone.. It will start with small steps - say the next anti-Islamic movie made by a Jewish American that sets off protests and people end up dead will result in calls to define speech that incites some religions to violence to be viewed as hate speech..

Go back and read the speeches given in the UK during the last incident and how well they were attended.. That block of people is growing and their view of what should be allowed is different than yours and mine. The last time ended with Obama giving a very good speech about why even disgusting speech must be allowed - I am fearful that the next president will look at a growing voting block the same way Obama did this week when 200 groups sent him petitions and got him to drop his plans for changing the process to send the new wave of illegal aliens back sooner.. He caved.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

That is an interesting point and considering nothing in these TV shows happen without a reason, it may very well be that the woman was planted in the audience just to Brigitte could go on her tirade. She was too quickly to respond. The entire sequence seems to have been rehearsed.

The woman was hardly a plant. She is a well known supporter of radical Muslims in that area, and was on Hannity. Her name is Saba Ahmed. She lead her question with an attacking prologue which, included the statement " you paint all Muslims as radicals" Hardly a question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-YaSuA52g&feature=player_detailpage

[JohnR! 5,495]

The woman was hardly a plant. She is a well known supporter of radical Muslims in that area, and was on Hannity. Her name is Saba Ahmed. She lead her question with an attacking prologue which, included the statement " you paint all Muslims as radicals" Hardly a question.

I think there is a good possibility her question was planted. Brigitte's answer was just too rehearsed and too ready. She lacked conviction. By the way, nice tap dancing...

Edited July 8, 2014 by JohnR!

[JohnR! 5,495]

This is why I would never try to argue with someone like her. Her, and those like her, have already made their minds up.

They are so desperate to believe in their preconceived notions it is unreal the lengths they will go to explain why this person could not answer a simple question.

[GandD 5,966]

What changed was the enlightenment and the rise of secularism. Christianity did not voluntarily give up power it was taken away. I think where we disagree is I don't see it as permanent change that can't be undone.. It will start with small steps - say the next anti-Islamic movie made by a Jewish American that sets off protests and people end up dead will result in calls to define speech that incites some religions to violence to be viewed as hate speech..

Go back and read the speeches given in the UK during the last incident and how well they were attended.. That block of people is growing and their view of what should be allowed is different than yours and mine. The last time ended with Obama giving a very good speech about why even disgusting speech must be allowed - I am fearful that the next president will look at a growing voting block the same way Obama did this week when 200 groups sent him petitions and got him to drop his plans for changing the process to send the new wave of illegal aliens back sooner.. He caved.

It can certainly be done. When people are in squalor, they need something to give them hope. That's where religion or nationalism comes into play. When life is good, religion takes a back seat for the masses. Its like kids with a toy. They may not be using it, at all. Take it away from them and its the only thing they've ever wanted or cared about.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

They are so desperate to believe in their preconceived notions it is unreal the lengths they will go to explain why this person could not answer a simple question.

It does seem like she was waiting for the question, or at least prepared for it if it was brought up. Reading her history, one should have been more prepared for it. The young lady who asked didn't have a thing to say. If I were there, I would have at least fought back with intelligence.

[JohnR! 5,495]

It does seem like she was waiting for the question, or at least prepared for it if it was brought up. Reading her history, one should have been more prepared for it. The young lady who asked didn't have a thing to say. If I were there, I would have at least fought back with intelligence.

If she had something to say they must have cut off her mic and/or edited out her rebuttal.

Edited July 8, 2014 by JohnR!

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

It can certainly be done. When people are in squalor, they need something to give them hope. That's where religion or nationalism comes into play. When life is good, religion takes a back seat for the masses. Its like kids with a toy. They may not be using it, at all. Take it away from them and its the only thing they've ever wanted or cared about.

Maybe turning away from Religion and embracing secular thought is what freed the Europeans from the squalor.. I agree that the poor turn to religion, bu that mentality on a large scale may be keeping them there..

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

They are so desperate to believe in their preconceived notions it is unreal the lengths they will go to explain why this person could not answer a simple question.

It's kind of adorable that you think repeating an untrue statement over and over will somehow make it true.

The answer she received was more than fair to the question she asked in the forum she asked it.. The panel should not have changed the topic to suit one person who unsuccessfully tried to ask ambush question. She tried, she failed, life goes on. The fact that it went so spectacularly bad for her that that you feel the need to build a conspiracy around it and make baseless accusations well... that's just funny.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

If she had something to say they must have cut off her mic and/or edited out her rebuttal.

I read the original article that goes with the video. They basically ganged up on her after this. She had to have know who she was going up against and the environment was not Muslim friendly at all. My old boss used to say, if you're going into the lion's den, make sure your weapons are sharp.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

It's kind of adorable that you think repeating an untrue statement over and over will somehow make it true.

The answer she received was more than fair to the question she asked in the forum she asked it.. The panel should not have changed the topic to suit one person who unsuccessfully tried to ask ambush question. She tried, she failed, life goes on. The fact that it went so spectacularly bad for her that that you feel the need to build a conspiracy around it and make baseless accusations well... that's just funny.

Actually it wasn't. I'm sorry, but practicing my faith properly doesn't make me irreverent, nor am I responsible for the animals that commit atrocities that claim to follow Islam(they don't). Because if that's the case, every single crime committed here by a Christian, needs to be held accountable.

"During the panel, Gabriel argued that “15-25 percent” of the world’s Muslims are extremists, and that the remaining “moderates” are “irrelevant” (I shouldn’t have to explain that it’s usually the majority of a given group that makes the minority irrelevant, not vice versa). Based on the lower end of that range, that’s 240 million of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims — the equivalent of every single Muslim in Sub-Saharan Africa, or nearly six times the number of all Muslims on the entire continent of Europe. Where are the examples of such supposedly widespread extremism? Even if a mere 1 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims is committed to violence, why is it that we haven’t seen 16 million violent attacks?"

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Actually it wasn't. I'm sorry, but practicing my faith properly doesn't make me irreverent, nor am I responsible for the animals that commit atrocities that claim to follow Islam(they don't). Because if that's the case, every single crime committed here by a Christian, needs to be held accountable.

"During the panel, Gabriel argued that “15-25 percent” of the world’s Muslims are extremists, and that the remaining “moderates” are “irrelevant” (I shouldn’t have to explain that it’s usually the majority of a given group that makes the minority irrelevant, not vice versa). Based on the lower end of that range, that’s 240 million of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims — the equivalent of every single Muslim in Sub-Saharan Africa, or nearly six times the number of all Muslims on the entire continent of Europe. Where are the examples of such supposedly widespread extremism? Even if a mere 1 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims is committed to violence, why is it that we haven’t seen 16 million violent attacks?"

You DO realize he was talking to GandD JohnR!, not you, right?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You DO realize he was talking to GandD JohnR!, not you, right?

I know, but being that I am a follower of Islam and I've been monitoring this event since before it was posted, I felt my insight could be useful.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What changed was the enlightenment and the rise of secularism. Christianity did not voluntarily give up power it was taken away. I think where we disagree is I don't see it as permanent change that can't be undone.. It will start with small steps - say the next anti-Islamic movie made by a Jewish American that sets off protests and people end up dead will result in calls to define speech that incites some religions to violence to be viewed as hate speech..

Go back and read the speeches given in the UK during the last incident and how well they were attended.. That block of people is growing and their view of what should be allowed is different than yours and mine. The last time ended with Obama giving a very good speech about why even disgusting speech must be allowed - I am fearful that the next president will look at a growing voting block the same way Obama did this week when 200 groups sent him petitions and got him to drop his plans for changing the process to send the new wave of illegal aliens back sooner.. He caved.

I agree with you on this. Islamic nations in Africa, the Middle East and Asia never had an enlightenment in the modern era and have been the plaything of various imperial powers. That doesn't lend itself to developing a secular, reasonable world view.

That isn't to say that there aren't liberal minded people in those countries.

I agree free speech should never be infringed for fear of someone being offended, but it should also be recognised when that speech comes from hate groups with an agenda.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Actually it wasn't. I'm sorry, but practicing my faith properly doesn't make me irreverent, nor am I responsible for the animals that commit atrocities that claim to follow Islam(they don't). Because if that's the case, every single crime committed here by a Christian, needs to be held accountable.

"During the panel, Gabriel argued that “15-25 percent” of the world’s Muslims are extremists, and that the remaining “moderates” are “irrelevant” (I shouldn’t have to explain that it’s usually the majority of a given group that makes the minority irrelevant, not vice versa). Based on the lower end of that range, that’s 240 million of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims — the equivalent of every single Muslim in Sub-Saharan Africa, or nearly six times the number of all Muslims on the entire continent of Europe. Where are the examples of such supposedly widespread extremism? Even if a mere 1 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims is committed to violence, why is it that we haven’t seen 16 million violent attacks?"

Nice try. The LOWEST estimate I have sen is 7%. That's 112 million "attacks" you are looking for. As to why? Even though their numbers may be pretty high, their courage and cohesion lacks quite a bit. Plus, though it may APPEAR that many want all those virgins promised in heaven (though why ANYONE would want even one is beyond me), I suspect that most extremists realize that pushing the little red button means THE END, and not all are quite as ready to head up north...