Brigitte Gabriel gives FANTASTIC answer to Muslim woman claiming all Muslims are portrayed badly

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

C. I have no idea idea how to respond to the overwhelming facts you presented, so I will just deflect the issue and move on. Face Palm, Reading comprehension, Missed the point..

Par for the course. Shouldn't have expected any different.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Par for the course. Shouldn't have expected any different.

There are so many state Dept warnings on travel to many different parts of the world, because of the WBC rofl

Heck you can't even travel to some parts of the Philippines because of Muslim Radicals. They are everywhere

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Ok. Be sure to book a flight for every non-terrorist Muslim in the world to do the same.

In modern times when Muslims have become the majority in a population they have passed laws to persecute those of different religions and those of no religion or those that would mock or question their religion. This has not happened in just one country, or two countries, or three countries, or four countries, or five countries, or six countries, or seven countries.. well you get the idea.

We can give smarmy one liners and be glib and PC and pretend it is all the same as every other religion - as long as they don't have a majority or a large minority we will be fine. We've had *seemingly" normal people on the upper forums go apesh*t over supposed blasphemy issues - I remember the embassies being attacked in Egypt and elsewhere and people on this site waiting for visas upset about the movie and not the action of the people reacting to a movie and questioning why making such a movie is legal.. Those people are moving here with those ideas - you laugh and make incorrect analogies but in the not too distant future debates about these laws will come to our doorstep as those that believe that religious beliefs take precedent over other freedoms have greater say.

Terrorists and crazy religious people don't scare me. The throngs of the devout willing to turn away from secular thinking do.. The Christians are bad enough with trying to remove evolution from textbooks and being babies when they can't have the ten commandments splattered everywhere I look - and the tax breaks they get for all the churches.

Edited July 8, 2014 by OnMyWayID

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the Muslim world spoke out against terrorists the way Christians and most Americans speak out against and protest the WBC, Muslim extremist would not be an issue .

They do. Open your fricking eyes and ears.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

If the Muslim world spoke out against terrorists the way Christians and most Americans speak out against and protest the WBC, Muslim extremist would not be an issue .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. A leader of an evangelical Christian para-church group, broadcasting over Sirius Family Net radio, stated that he had done a thorough search on the Internet for a Muslim statement condemning terrorism, without finding a single item. Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets. A 2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether attacks on civilians were justified. Globally 72% of Muslims said violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims opposed such violence.

They're out here. And they're doing exactly that. But no one hears it because there's no focus on those folks. There's tons of groups dedicated to denouncing terrorism and teaching Islam the right way, but they're ignored for the radicals.

In modern times when Muslims have become the majority in a population they have passed laws to persecute those of different religions and those of no religion or those that would mock or question their religion. This has not happened in just one country, or two countries, or three countries, or four countries, or five countries, or six countries, or seven countries.. well you get the idea.

We can give smarmy one liners and be glib and PC and pretend it is all the same as every other religion - as long as they don't have a majority or a large minority we will be fine. We've had *seemingly" normal people on the upper forums go apesh*t over supposed blasphemy issues - I remember the embassies being attacked in Egypt and elsewhere and people on this site waiting for visas upset about the movie and not the action of the people reacting to a movie and questioning why making such a movie is legal.. Those people are moving here with those ideas - you laugh and make incorrect analogies but in the not too distant future debates about these laws will come to our doorstep as those that believe that religious beliefs take precedent over other freedoms have greater say.

Terrorists and crazy religious people don't scare me. The throngs of the devout willing to turn away from secular thinking do.. The Christians are bad enough with trying to remove evolution from textbooks and being babies when they can't have the ten commandments splattered everywhere I look - and the tax breaks they get for all the churches.

If this country was run by a bunch of fanatics that followed the Old Testement to the letter, the same thing would occur.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. A leader of an evangelical Christian para-church group, broadcasting over Sirius Family Net radio, stated that he had done a thorough search on the Internet for a Muslim statement condemning terrorism, without finding a single item. Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets. A 2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether attacks on civilians were justified. Globally 72% of Muslims said violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims opposed such violence.

They're out here. And they're doing exactly that. But no one hears it because there's no focus on those folks. There's tons of groups dedicated to denouncing terrorism and teaching Islam the right way, but they're ignored for the radicals.

If this country was run by a bunch of fanatics that followed the Old Testement to the letter, the same thing would occur.

Which should tell anyone that the issue is not the religion but the cultural interpretations and subcultural values of insular immigrant groups.

No matter how many times it is said, this simple concept can't penetrate the thick skulls of some of these posters.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Which should tell anyone that the issue is not the religion but the cultural interpretations and subcultural values of insular immigrant groups.

No matter how many times it is said, this simple concept can't penetrate the thick skulls of some of these posters.

Since 9/11 it's been permanently seared into some people's brains that Muslims are just evil. I've posted the groups that denounce and decry terrorism here more than once, but it's either ignored or completely bypassed, as if it can't possibly be any group that stands against this AND be Muslims at the same time.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

In modern times when Muslims have become the majority in a population they have passed laws to persecute those of different religions and those of no religion or those that would mock or question their religion. This has not happened in just one country, or two countries, or three countries, or four countries, or five countries, or six countries, or seven countries.. well you get the idea.

We can give smarmy one liners and be glib and PC and pretend it is all the same as every other religion - as long as they don't have a majority or a large minority we will be fine. We've had *seemingly" normal people on the upper forums go apesh*t over supposed blasphemy issues - I remember the embassies being attacked in Egypt and elsewhere and people on this site waiting for visas upset about the movie and not the action of the people reacting to a movie and questioning why making such a movie is legal.. Those people are moving here with those ideas - you laugh and make incorrect analogies but in the not too distant future debates about these laws will come to our doorstep as those that believe that religious beliefs take precedent over other freedoms have greater say.

Terrorists and crazy religious people don't scare me. The throngs of the devout willing to turn away from secular thinking do.. The Christians are bad enough with trying to remove evolution from textbooks and being babies when they can't have the ten commandments splattered everywhere I look - and the tax breaks they get for all the churches.

This place went crazy about the movie also then it was like crickets

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. A leader of an evangelical Christian para-church group, broadcasting over Sirius Family Net radio, stated that he had done a thorough search on the Internet for a Muslim statement condemning terrorism, without finding a single item. Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets. A 2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether attacks on civilians were justified. Globally 72% of Muslims said violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims opposed such violence.

They're out here. And they're doing exactly that. But no one hears it because there's no focus on those folks. There's tons of groups dedicated to denouncing terrorism and teaching Islam the right way, but they're ignored for the radicals.

If this country was run by a bunch of fanatics that followed the Old Testement to the letter, the same thing would occur.

And if Monkeys had wings they could fly,. Thing is , we have laws to keep our wing nuts in check. They have whole countries being run by their wingnuts.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

And if Monkeys had wings they could fly,. Thing is , we have laws to keep our wing nuts in check. They have whole countries being run by their wingnuts.

On this we agree.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And if Monkeys had wings they could fly,. Thing is , we have laws to keep our wing nuts in check. They have whole countries being run by their wingnuts.

Muslims are not some monolithic entity - that says something about your xenophobic attitude to value systems that you don't understand. It's a religion taken up be a diverse range of people, from countries all over the world, by all sorts of people.

The fact that you have muslims living in the USA, should tell you that using statements where you refer to all muslims as some sort of single entity is, at best innappropriate, extremely ignorant at worst.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Muslims are not some monolithic entity - that says something about your xenophobic attitude to value systems that you don't understand. It's a religion taken up be a diverse range of people, from countries all over the world, by all sorts of people.

The fact that you have muslims living in the USA, should tell you that using statements where you refer to all muslims as some sort of single entity is, at best innappropriate, extremely ignorant at worst.

I think what he means is, the ones who extort the worse in religion are in charge. At least, that's how I read it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think what he means is, the ones who extort the worse in religion are in charge. At least, that's how I read it.

That's certainly true of some countries, Iran for example.

Of course, when a lot of those countries have been the plaything of various imperial powers - it's not surprising that extremist elements take over. Would the middle east be better or worse if it hadn't been for western involvement in 20th century?

Going back to Iran - I think the reason for the vehement anti-americanism from 1979 onwards has to do with the US overthrowing the formerly democratic government of Iran back in 1953. Noone should really be surprised that oppressive foreign involvement in another country's affairs results in a rise in extremism in that country.

Similarly, Afghanistan hasn't a period of significant political stability in over 100 years. Is it surprising, that there are the sort of anti-western sentiments that allowed groups like Al Qaeda to take root there?

Edited July 8, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[mota bhai 2,675]

That's certainly true of some countries, Iran for example.

Of course, when a lot of those countries have been the plaything of various imperial powers - it's not surprising that extremist elements take over. Would the middle east be better or worse if it hadn't been for western involvement in 20th century?

Going back to Iran - I think the reason for the vehement anti-americanism from 1979 onwards has to do with the US overthrowing the formerly democratic government of Iran back in 1953. Noone should really be surprised that oppressive foreign involvement in another country's affairs results in a rise in extremism in that country.

Similarly, Afghanistan hasn't a period of significant political stability in over 100 years. Is it surprising, that there are the sort of anti-western sentiments that allowed groups like Al Qaeda to take root there?

Kabul was quite stable during the Soviet occupation, all the Western propaganda to the contrary notwithstanding.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Kabul was quite stable during the Soviet occupation, all the Western propaganda to the contrary notwithstanding.

But the rest of the country went to hell with extremist groups rising up to kick out the foreign invader.

Nearly 2 million people killed in that war. That would have a significant impact on a country of 300,000,000, let alone one with less than 1/20th of that.