Brigitte Gabriel gives FANTASTIC answer to Muslim woman claiming all Muslims are portrayed badly

[JohnR! 5,495]

What percentage of Muslims world wide desire to see the United States and Israel harmed.?She gave a number you seem to dispute.

Ergo, you validate Terry Jone's position: All of Christianity is out to destroy Islam.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Terry Jones said that???

[JohnR! 5,495]

Terry Jones said that???

+100!!

[Pooky 3,843]

And now for something completely different.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Because every Muslim is running around beheading non-Muslims. Does the same rule ( s) apply to gun owners?

You, several people on this forum, and lots of folks in the gubmint seem to think it should. "If you own a gun, you are a nut!" seems to be a common theme here.

The difference here is... guns don't kill people. But muslim exremists do.

Edited July 7, 2014 by DavenRoxy

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

I'd be worried about the people here in my own country than a radical Muslim, since I'm more likely to be struck by lightning or gunned down by a criminal than be killed by a terrorist attack.

I'd kind of be worried about both. Considering there are as many muslim extremists in the world as there are people in America, I'd say that is a pretty significant number of people who hate/want to kill non-islams. And will the other 75% of peaceful muslims stand in their way, or defend Americans if it comes down to a fight? I reckon only time will tell...

[JohnR! 5,495]

I'd kind of be worried about both. Considering there are as many muslim extremists in the world as there are people in America, I'd say that is a pretty significant number of people who hate/want to kill non-islams. And will the other 75% of peaceful muslims stand in their way, or defend Americans if it comes down to a fight? I reckon only time will tell...

All you need do is look at our military. There are Muslims serving our armed forces and defending Americans in this fight. In fact, the very poster to whom your response was directed is a follower is Islam.

In addition, many of the locals who are operating alongside our military in foreign countries, are muslims as well.

Edited July 7, 2014 by JohnR!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'd kind of be worried about both. Considering there are as many muslim extremists in the world as there are people in America, I'd say that is a pretty significant number of people who hate/want to kill non-islams. And will the other 75% of peaceful muslims stand in their way, or defend Americans if it comes down to a fight? I reckon only time will tell...

I find it telling the woman carrying the torch for peaceful Muslims is a bosom buddy of the Christmas tree bomber, and big supporter. Maybe that kind of hypocrisy is exactly why they have an image problem

[JohnR! 5,495]

I find it telling the woman carrying the torch for peaceful Muslims is a bosom buddy of the Christmas tree bomber, and big supporter. Maybe that kind of hypocrisy is exactly why they have an image problem

We've covered the 'guilty by association' piece already. Done.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

All you need do is look at our military. There are Muslims serving our armed forces and defending Americans in this fight. In fact, the very poster to whom your response was directed is a follower is Islam.

In addition, many of the locals who are operating alongside our military in foreign countries, are muslims as well.

Only by virtue of wanting to marry a muslim, not because he is a lifelong believer. But be that as it may, yes, there are muslims in the military. And yes, some fight for us. But not all do, unfortunately.

And said poster is retiring soon, so there is one less muslim on our side. (But hey, so am I, so I guess that keeps the numbers even!)

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You, several people on this forum, and lots of folks in the gubmint seem to think it should. "If you own a gun, you are a nut!" seems to be a common theme here.

The difference here is... guns don't kill people. But muslim exremists do.

My stance has always been the same. Responsible gun owners are not responsible for murders committed by criminals. But for some reason I'm being held responsible for crimes committed by animals that claim to be followers of Islam.

I'd kind of be worried about both. Considering there are as many muslim extremists in the world as there are people in America, I'd say that is a pretty significant number of people who hate/want to kill non-islams. And will the other 75% of peaceful muslims stand in their way, or defend Americans if it comes down to a fight? I reckon only time will tell...

There are over 318,892,103 people in the united states. There is no way in heck there are that many folks that feel the way you describe. Not to mention there are several muslims in the United States Military. I wonder if I'm supposed to radicalize...

[JohnR! 5,495]

Only by virtue of wanting to marry a muslim, not because he is a lifelong believer. But be that as it may, yes, there are muslims in the military. And yes, some fight for us. But not all do, unfortunately.

And said poster is retiring soon, so there is one less muslim on our side. (But hey, so am I, so I guess that keeps the numbers even!)

It doesn't matter. He is a Muslim and is serving our military. I believe what you meant to say was 'Thank you for your service'.

Not all Muslims fight for America, neither do all Christians or Jews.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

My stance has always been the same. Responsible gun owners are not responsible for murders committed by criminals. But for some reason I'm being held responsible for crimes committed by animals that claim to be followers of Islam.

There are over 318,892,103 people in the united states. There is no way in heck there are that many folks that feel the way you describe. Not to mention there are several muslims in the United States Military. I wonder if I'm supposed to radicalize...

I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure I have seen you jump on the "America doesn't need guns" bandwagon before. If I am wrong, sorry in advance. But I will be keeping one eye on your posts from now on, young man!

I guess it depends on the numbers one uses. Just looked again, and have seen percentages as low as 7% (radicals) and I recently heard/saw 25% (was that in the video in first post? Can't remember, may have been).

Here's some numbers for you to play with: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Are_the_Overwhelming_Majority_of_Muslims_Peaceful_Moderates

If 36.6% of all muslims think 9/11 was justified, and there are about 1.5 billion islamists in the world today, that's about 549 million that feel America deserved 9/11. Doesn't mean they would go out and kill themselves to punish the US, no. But they feel, in some way, that it was justified.

As you can see from the above figures, 36.6 percent of Muslims think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified. This does not support the claim that the "overwhelming majority" of Muslims are peace loving moderates.

Sure, "peace loving" Muslims, according to this survey, are a majority. But when almost 4 out of every 10 Muslim is a terrorist-supporting "radical", they are hardly "overwhelming". It is a proven fact that Islamic extremists are certainly not "a tiny minority".

Now if we go with a low of 7%, that means there are about 105 million extremists. If we use only 20%, that means there are about 300 million. Pretty close to the US population. But I would say getting an accurate count is pretty darn tough, even if the surveys had guaranteed anonymity.

Questions on the survey:

1) Are you are radical islamic?

2) Do you seek to kill all who do not believe in islam?

3)... you get my point.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

It doesn't matter. He is a Muslim and is serving our military. I believe what you meant to say was 'Thank you for your service'.

Not all Muslims fight for America, neither do all Christians or Jews.

But it does matter, a little bit. If I convert to buddhism because my wife's culture demands it if I am to be permitted to marry her, I am probably FAR from a devout follower such as a person who was raised that way their whole life, and his/her family for generations before I was born. It makes a difference.

For example, I would say Nidal Hasan's muslim beliefs are much deeper than someone who just recently converted. And he chose to do harm. But I have lived near other muslim families who were as peace loving as you or I (well, me at least). They did no harm that I could ever tell. Never even told me I needed to convert to their religion or I would burn in hell (as some American religions are wont to do).

Thank you for your service, Marvin. You have given so much more than so many here even begin to understand, and I appreciate your sacrifice.

[JohnR! 5,495]

But it does matter, a little bit. If I convert to buddhism because my wife's culture demands it if I am to be permitted to marry her, I am probably FAR from a devout follower such as a person who was raised that way their whole life, and his/her family for generations before I was born. It makes a difference.

For example, I would say Nidal Hasan's muslim beliefs are much deeper than someone who just recently converted. And he chose to do harm. But I have lived near other muslim families who were as peace loving as you or I (well, me at least). They did no harm that I could ever tell. Never even told me I needed to convert to their religion or I would burn in hell (as some American religions are wont to do).

Thank you for your service, Marvin. You have given so much more than so many here even begin to understand, and I appreciate your sacrifice.

I would not venture into determining how committed to his faith Marvin is. That is between him and god. Just saying...

However, we agree on one point: There are some religious fundamentalists in Islam who believe god command them to do harm to others, but in all fairness this is not something that happens in Islam only. There are similar nutjobs in Christianity and Judeism. There have been religious nutjobs since religion was invented and any of the sacred books carry passages, verses or chapters that might be interpreted as condoning violence.

The issue here is not religion, so much as education. You are most likely to find fundamentalism amongst the uneducated - you can see that right here in America, so you can imagine how easy it is to have someone engage in religious-based terrorism in some countries where people live in medieval conditions and lack basic education. All you need to is prey on the uneducated to get your religion going - look at televangelism right here in America.