If was President my first act would be

[Peikko 1,575]

Again: why would anyone imagine that a leader would be elected who wouldn't have the country's best interests at heart? That's the current situation, and was entirely unforeseeable by the Framers. This kind of malice is a recent development.

Oh, I don't know, based on world history at the time, I can think of a million and one reasons why a president might NOT have the country's best interests at heart and why the framers might indeed have wanted to create a robust constitution that wasn't susceptible to the whims of the leader, but that's just me. Clearly you think differently, and again, what exactly are you going to do about it? All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is fun and all, but not exactly productive.

You really believe that the president doesn't have the country's best interests at heart?

So his disagreement with you about policies gets turned into some kind of evil overlord who wants to destroy us from within? Whose very goal is to ruin the US?

That's pretty... out there. Revealing, though.

it is and it is

[UncleBeer 244]

You really believe that the president doesn't have the country's best interests at heart?

Yes. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but:

- turning down the Keystone pipeline repeatedly

- politicization & weaponization of almost all government agencies against his 'enemies'

- encouraging illegal immigration

- alienating former US allies, and going to extraordinary lengths to befriend countries clearly hostile to the US

- fomenting class warfare and race enmity amongst Americans

- unwillingness to heed the will of the public. Numerous polls show Americans stronly against items he deems important enough to sidestep Congress on

- despite bragging of his 'transparent' administration, a stunning unwillingness to answer simple oversight questions from those charged with this task

- swapping five Taliban captains for a deserter? Really?

- must I go on?

So his disagreement with you about policies gets turned into some kind of evil overlord who wants to destroy us from within?

I notice in another thread where you seem quite comfortable accusing others of racism based on . . . nothing Now that's messed up.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I notice in another thread where you seem quite comfortable accusing others of racism based on . . . nothing Now that's messed up.

Strange, I don't recall accusing anyone of racism lately. Since it's not generally a thing I do.

I really think that people have reading comprehension problems far greater than I give them credit for.

I also did not say what you said was messed up, so your "that's messed up" doesn't make sense. I said your idea was, and I quote, "out there."

It really seems that people on this forum put words in my mouth and decide what I am like based on what they think I write, instead of what I actually write.

[Peikko 1,575]

Strange, I don't recall accusing anyone of racism lately. Since it's not generally a thing I do.

I really think that people have reading comprehension problems far greater than I give them credit for.

I also did not say what you said was messed up, so your "that's messed up" doesn't make sense. I said your idea was, and I quote, "out there."

It really seems that people on this forum put words in my mouth and decide what I am like based on what they think I write, instead of what I actually write.

Par for course. It's easier to knock down a straw man than counter the argument that's actually put forward. It's particularly spectacular when some members run the double bluff, so they pretend they were so clear in the original post that you comment on in a pithy and succinct manner, and then turn around and claim that what they actually meant was the exact opposite. It's very clever

Edited June 30, 2014 by The Truth™

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Strange, I don't recall accusing anyone of racism lately. Since it's not generally a thing I do.

I really think that people have reading comprehension problems far greater than I give them credit for.

I also did not say what you said was messed up, so your "that's messed up" doesn't make sense. I said your idea was, and I quote, "out there."

It really seems that people on this forum put words in my mouth and decide what I am like based on what they think I write, instead of what I actually write.

Yes that's old hat on here. By and large the more right wing a poster is the less educated they appear to be. It's the only explanation for why they constantly misconstruing what you actually write with some stereotype they have in their heads. American news media, being the steaming pile arsebiscuits that it is, encourages people not to look at others as individuals but as types with a checkbox list of stereotyped beliefs.

There's a few posters here who make wild assumptions about my beliefs and seem oblivious to what you actually right and expect you to defend positions that you don't hold. Piss-poor reading comprehension is exactly right. I proved that the other day - some of these jokers resolutely seriously tried to defend a two (single clause) sentence statement that made out that one group of Muslim extremists were indistinguishable from the wider muslim community.

If these guys were being intellectually honest they'd find that there's more of a middle ground than they are willing to give credit for. Listening to them talk, you'd think there were extremists under every rock.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[Karee 4,190]

I notice no one had any comment on the points in Uncle Beer's post. He must have gotten it right.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I notice no one had any comment on the points in Uncle Beer's post. He must have gotten it right.

I have no doubt that he believes that. Or that, in you, he has a one man cheerleading squad.

Of course, I take it that it didn't occur to you that rendering a complex series of separate events into a series of biased one-liners probably doesn't provide much food for discussion.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[JohnR! 5,495]

I notice no one had any comment on the points in Uncle Beer's post. He must have gotten it right.

I have absolutely no doubt that can be the only reason, all else failing short of impossibilities. :rofl: :rofl:

[Peikko 1,575]

I notice no one had any comment on the points in Uncle Beer's post. He must have gotten it right.

Not sure what thread you read but you clearly missed the pertinent posts, it's all been discussed for the flummery that it is, but if you seriously want to believe that the US constitution was framed in such a way that Obama the merciless can just come along and ruin it simply for 'not having Americas best interests at heart' (whatever that's meant to mean) as Uncle Beer suggested, then have at it. It's a crazy idea but you and he are welcome to embrace it if you like.

Edited June 30, 2014 by The Truth™

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yes that's old hat on here. By and large the more right wing a poster is the less educated they appear to be. It's the only explanation for why they constantly misconstruing what you actually write with some stereotype they have in their heads. American news media, being the steaming pile arsebiscuits that it is, encourages people not to look at others as individuals but as types with a checkbox list of stereotyped beliefs.

There's a few posters here who make wild assumptions about my beliefs and seem oblivious to what you actually right and expect you to defend positions that you don't hold. Piss-poor reading comprehension is exactly right. I proved that the other day - some of these jokers resolutely seriously tried to defend a two (single clause) sentence statement that made out that one group of Muslim extremists were indistinguishable from the wider muslim community.

If these guys were being intellectually honest they'd find that there's more of a middle ground than they are willing to give credit for. Listening to them talk, you'd think there were extremists under every rock.

Where have you been all of my life?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Strange, I don't recall accusing anyone of racism lately. Since it's not generally a thing I do.

I really think that people have reading comprehension problems far greater than I give them credit for.

I also did not say what you said was messed up, so your "that's messed up" doesn't make sense. I said your idea was, and I quote, "out there."

It really seems that people on this forum put words in my mouth and decide what I am like based on what they think I write, instead of what I actually write.

Ahh the ol Reading comprehension I did not write that dodge. Never gets old second only to Bush did it also, in leftist absurdity

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ahh the ol Reading comprehension I did not write that dodge. Never gets old second only to Bush did it also, in leftist absurdity

There's always an excuse why it's never your fault isn't there. It's all a leftist conspiracy. Sure, yeah. Maybe you should just put a pasta strainer on your head and sit in a dark room. Edited July 1, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

You really believe that the president doesn't have the country's best interests at heart?

So his disagreement with you about policies gets turned into some kind of evil overlord who wants to destroy us from within? Whose very goal is to ruin the US?

Let's turn this around, since you think the president is doing so well for the US...

What do YOU think he has done that is good for us as a country? Name 5. Just 5. I mean, he's had 6 years, so 0.8333 things per years should be easy for such a staunch supporter to come up with, eh?

Yes. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but:

- turning down the Keystone pipeline repeatedly

- politicization & weaponization of almost all government agencies against his 'enemies'

- encouraging illegal immigration

- alienating former US allies, and going to extraordinary lengths to befriend countries clearly hostile to the US

- fomenting class warfare and race enmity amongst Americans

- unwillingness to heed the will of the public. Numerous polls show Americans stronly against items he deems important enough to sidestep Congress on

- despite bragging of his 'transparent' administration, a stunning unwillingness to answer simple oversight questions from those charged with this task

- swapping five Taliban captains for a deserter? Really?

- must I go on?

The deficit has shrunk under him - http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/budget-deficit-shrinks-103092.html

President George W. Bush - President Bush added the most to the debt, more than $6 trillion. This more than doubled the debt, which was $5.8 trillion on September 30, 2001.

President Barack Obama - The second largest contributor to the debt dollar-wise was President Obama. He added $4.8 trillion, a 41% increase, in just one term. (But that may be different by the end of his second term, only time will tell)

Deficit shrinkage is a "sleight of hand" kind of thing....

However, there's a difference between the deficit and the debt by President. That's because every President can employ a sleight of hand to make his deficit appear smaller. They can borrow internally from other government sources. For example, the Social Security Trust Fund has run a surplus since 1987. That's because there were more working people contributing via payroll taxes than retired people withdrawing benefits. The Fund invests its surplus in U.S. Treasury notes. The President can reduce his deficit by spending these Treasuries, instead of issuing new ones.

Other than that, I agree with your assessment. I have not seen much in the way of improvements for the US since he took office.

[unsmiley 111]

I notice no one had any comment on the points in Uncle Beer's post. He must have gotten it right.

Yep, you got that right. All they do is attack the opposition's reading and writing abilities, without tackling the meat of the matter.

Ahh the ol Reading comprehension I did not write that dodge. Never gets old second only to Bush did it also, in leftist absurdity

Yessir. They bury their attacks and editorialization in superficially plausible psychobabble and insults, while picking apart words. Signs of sure (and sore) losers.

[mota bhai 2,675]

The reason these conversations go nowhere is you guys aren't even talking in the same language.

Hail Ming comes from a background in which words have specific meanings and those meanings matter.

The rest of us... well, we don't. Murka!