Namecheck issue in the news

[rebeccajo 14]

*bumping this till 8 pm*

[ljs 1]

it's ashame I do not have cable to watch it. I wonder if they post it later on on their website. does anyone know??

if not, could anyone let me know any important thing they talk about after the show is over by posting it here?

thanks

Go to a bar or hotel lobby. Find a TV.

yes ma'm

I actually have a night class tonight that goes from 6 till 9 but maybe we get out early and i can go watch it somewhere

You can read the transcripts of the show after it airs on the cnn website:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/pzn.html

Linda

[rebeccajo 14]

it's ashame I do not have cable to watch it. I wonder if they post it later on on their website. does anyone know??

if not, could anyone let me know any important thing they talk about after the show is over by posting it here?

thanks

Go to a bar or hotel lobby. Find a TV.

yes ma'm

I actually have a night class tonight that goes from 6 till 9 but maybe we get out early and i can go watch it somewhere

You can read the transcripts of the show after it airs on the cnn website:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/pzn.html

Linda

Thanks Linda!

[DelcoCouple 1]

If discrimination is being alleged then I shall be intrigued to see what evidence they produce to definitively state that the FBI know the applicants are Muslim?

Of course if the programme causes enough of a stir (which I doubt somehow) then the obvious knee jerk response is that positive discrimination is applied so the FBIare not seem to be discriminating against Muslims which puts everyone else including the OP further down the list!!!

I am not sure what the intent of the OP was other than to say here is an example of the media missing the point entirely as ever and being sensationalist for viewing figures.

A non event is the likely reaction by most viewers is my suspicion.

Edited January 18, 2007 by DelcoCouple

[rebeccajo 14]

If discrimination is being alleged then I shall be intrigued to see what evidence they produce to definitively state that the FBI know the applicants are Muslim?

Of course if the programme causes enough of a stir (which I doubt somehow) then the obvious knee jerk response is that positive discrimination is applied so the FBIare not seem to be discriminating against Muslims which puts everyone else including the OP further down the list!!!

I am not sure what the intent of the OP was other than to say here is an example of the media missing the point entirely as ever and being sensationalist for viewing figures.

A non event is the likely reaction by most viewers is my suspicion.

My intent was to let other people know about the broadcast.

I don't think it would be too hard for the FBI to figure out someone might be Muslim. Sort of like it's not to hard to figure out Seamus O'Hanlon might be Irish.

[LaL 418]

If discrimination is being alleged then I shall be intrigued to see what evidence they produce to definitively state that the FBI know the applicants are Muslim?

Of course if the programme causes enough of a stir (which I doubt somehow) then the obvious knee jerk response is that positive discrimination is applied so the FBIare not seem to be discriminating against Muslims which puts everyone else including the OP further down the list!!!

I am not sure what the intent of the OP was other than to say here is an example of the media missing the point entirely as ever and being sensationalist for viewing figures.

A non event is the likely reaction by most viewers is my suspicion.

the media is not missing the point IMO. those who make the most noise get attention, kinda like squeaky wheel gets the grease? there is a very large class action suit going on in Denver by Muslims stuck in this situation, I am guessing this is a part of the attention this group is getting. I think its wonderful, and thankful that people are coming together over this issue.

- Not directed at the OP -

I think its rubbish if people think just because THIS article happens to be about muslims and their delays that somehow the big picture (meaning everyone) is lost. At this point publicity about this issue is wonderful, and NO ONE should complain if they are not trying to do something about it in a real way. You cant just sit back and say - hey what about us? DO something about it and quit whining. VJ is an excellent source of whining IMHO.

[amwo 0]

......here is an example of the media missing the point entirely as ever and being sensationalist for viewing figures.

A non event is the likely reaction by most viewers is my suspicion.

Bingo!

Media buzzword: Muslim

[DelcoCouple 1]

....VJ is an excellent source of whining IMHO.

The sad fact is no one really cares other than those of those affected by it. The vast majority of people are on the current anti immigrant bandwagon. They rarely know nor care that there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration and frankly it isn't a vote winner on a scale large enough to matter to politicians. So whilst I agree informative publicity (and I reserve judgement as to whether or not this broadcast is such until I have seen it) is never unhelpful, I do not hold out any great hope of it being anything in the great scheme of the universe than a filler.

[rebeccajo 14]

They rarely know nor care that there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration and frankly it isn't a vote winner on a scale large enough to matter to politicians.

I'd have to say I politely disagree with you on both points.

ALL of my friends, colleagues and associates are pretty incredulous about the fact that my husband's immigration was 100% by the book and yet the system has failed him miserably. That type of information makes people think about the issues being pushed in Washington.

And immigration WAS a huge vote getter. Both in areas where the constituency was against it - and areas with large immigrant communities.

This is what I worry about regards WHATEVER immigration law passes in Washington this year(and believe me, there will be new law written)- how can the system take on more petitioners, be they migrant, business based, EWI or whatever - how can the system take on more when it is already so broken?

[Synthetrix 0]

You go! I hope that it has some effect....

They post the transcripts of her show on the following day, so you may be able to read it there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/pzn.html

[DelcoCouple 1]

The beauty of freedom of speech is the right to disagree

It would appear that with some 300 million American citizens that your circle of relatives, friends and acquantainces is not totally representative however.

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/polls/200...mmarycharts.pdf

Interesting to note the views on immigrants even by those who are able to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration. Immigration is a political hot potato.

Supporting immigration is not a vote winner which ever way you look at. Oh sure noises are made in pre election speeches in districts that have large immigrant population, but do those platitudes ever transform into real political action once in power? I think not, but please feel free to post a link to such an act by a politician of either party.

The great unwashed do not listen to reasoned debate or apply critical thinking skills. They listen to the soundbite that tells them immigration hurts them and America. Hence there is never any serious immigration reform but rather a muddle of poorly drafted legislation to give the appearance that something has been done. If you seriously believe that there will be any sensible or meaningful immigration legislation passed in the term of this presidency then I respectfully suggest you blow the smoke aside and look in the mirrors that are revealed. Because like it or not, in essence smoke and mirrors are all that offered by either party when it comes to this particular political 10 foot barge poll.

People vote for what they perceive to be the best for themselves, their families and their pocket. Most people fail to see immigration legal or illegal as positive for any of those.

Do we find it frustrating, annoying, incredulous, obscene? Heck yes of course we do, but that is because those of us on here have an intimate knowledge of the situation. Sometimes to intimate in that it clouds our judgement on the real perception that the rest of the populace have with regards to immigration benefits.

By all means educate people, publicise the insanity of a situation that can leave a person in limbo for two years on the basis of needing background security checks. Heck does anyone really think a terrorists who is in the country and intent on causing mayhem is going to wait two years to have clearance before committing such mayhem?

The answer to that is obvious - unless of course you are a politician or an employee of DHS

[rebeccajo 14]

......If you seriously believe that there will be any sensible or meaningful immigration legislation passed in the term of this presidency then I respectfully suggest you blow the smoke aside and look in the mirrors that are revealed.......

By all means educate people, publicise the insanity of a situation that can leave a person in limbo for two years on the basis of needing background security checks. Heck does anyone really think a terrorists who is in the country and intent on causing mayhem is going to wait two years to have clearance before committing such mayhem?

The answer to that is obvious - unless of course you are a politician or an employee of DHS

I'm concerned about the proposed legislation. I'm concerned whatever meaningful portions of it that do come to pass will only benefit business, migrants and the like. I'm concerned for families.

Your last comment - about the obvious - that's the part America needs to be made aware of. How the 'protection' that these clearances are supposed to achieve is hardly effective when it becomes protracted.

[DelcoCouple 1]

I'm concerned about the proposed legislation. I'm concerned whatever meaningful portions of it that do come to pass will only benefit business, migrants and the like. I'm concerned for families.

Your last comment - about the obvious - that's the part America needs to be made aware of. How the 'protection' that these clearances are supposed to achieve is hardly effective when it becomes protracted.

My crystal ball predicts that any proposed legislation will be watered down to appease both sides and the end result will be any such legislation that actually makes it to the statute books will be within an economic rather than humanitarian frame work. This is not anything peculiar to the USA it is seen in immigration law throughout the world. I am not in disagreement with your viewpoint and beliefs just rather more cynical.

With regards to edumicating the country I again empathise with your position but fear that the large number of people who believe that removing your shoes at an airport makes us safe really won't pick up on the subtle points you wish to convey

Oh well c'est la vie the wait goes on. Besides if it all went smoothly where would all these people post if there was no reason for VJ to exist?

[DelcoCouple 1]

Well there we go, as predicted a non event. The thrust of the entire programme was racism and the piece was poorly researched and presented. It gave a platform to a lawyer for some very cost effective advertising, other than than that nothing to see here!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/17/pzn.01.html

Edited January 18, 2007 by DelcoCouple

[dcl766 0]

Looks like there is a link to read the full transcript too....

RebecaJo....I forgot, have you contacted the Ombusdman yet?

Dave