Nigeria kidnapping: 60 girls and women, 31 boys said to be abducted

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

My point is, people are killed at a greater number by each other, rather than by someone claiming Allah is great. And I agree, anyone who kills someone should be a terrorist.

No.. You chose to group people and compare numbers - a woman drowning a child and a man killing his lover is two unrelated acts. An organized group killing as many as they possibly can (4000 was not a goal, it was all they could accomplish) is not the same thing.

Anyone killing is not a terrorist - a terrorist uses terror in order to push some sort of political change.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It would be most helpful the non-violent 75 percent of Islam to stand up and say: "We're mad as hell and were not going to accept the other 25 whacko percent who claim to be a part of our faith to speak for us and to murder in the name of our God. We are in fact so mad about them killing and murdering in the name of God that we will speak out against them whatever chance we get"

Again. Because you don't see the opposition does not mean that it does not exist.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

No.. You chose to group people and compare numbers - a woman drowning a child and a man killing his lover is two unrelated acts. An organized group killing as many as they possibly can (4000 was not a goal, it was all they could accomplish) is not the same thing.

Anyone killing is not a terrorist - a terrorist uses terror in order to push some sort of political change.

That group doesn't speak for all Muslims or Islam. Guns kill 35000 people a year, whether on purpose or accident, that's a fact. More people were killed in the neighborhoods here than the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet, instead of any type of reasonable gun control, we want to talk about Islam as a problem.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

That group doesn't speak for all Muslims or Islam. Guns kill 35000 people a year, whether on purpose or accident, that's a fact. More people were killed in the neighborhoods here than the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet, instead of any type of reasonable gun control, we want to talk about Islam as a problem.

I never claimed that they did.. If we chose to ignore them they would be happy to increase the number to much more than 35000 a year. In our lifetime we will more than likely see them take out an entire city - if they had the ability to kill millions they would kill millions. Yes THEY are the problem.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

No.. You chose to group people and compare numbers - a woman drowning a child and a man killing his lover is two unrelated acts. An organized group killing as many as they possibly can (4000 was not a goal, it was all they could accomplish) is not the same thing.

Anyone killing is not a terrorist - a terrorist uses terror in order to push some sort of political change.

Sure it is, don't you pay attention . An organized group conspiring to slame airplanes into buildings killing 4K innocent men women and kids, is the same thing as a someone killing your neighbor in a fight. It's lib logic.. Now get back in line.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

That group doesn't speak for all Muslims or Islam. Guns kill 35000 people a year, whether on purpose or accident, that's a fact. More people were killed in the neighborhoods here than the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet, instead of any type of reasonable gun control, we want to talk about Islam as a problem.

I had a long talk with my glock before I left the house. I told it to stay inside and not go out. At the first hint any of my guns are acting up, it's off to military school they go. No gun of mine will ever kill anybody, can't say the same for me .

Sigh

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Edited June 26, 2014 by Kathryn41

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

My point is, people are killed at a greater number by each other, rather than by someone claiming Allah is great. And I agree, anyone who kills someone should be a terrorist.

Whether they do it in the name of Allah, because the Son of Sam talked to them thru a dog, or because they think they are performing for any other "higher power"... are they any less crazy? Seriously. They are bat-shite crazy, my man. No other way around it.

Wait a minute... maybe if we took all the guns away from islamic extremists, they wouldn't kill as much!! Man, why didn't I think of THAT before? Oh wait, they would just a pipe bomb, IED, or any other freakin' method to kill, because they believe in killing. Once again, the gun matters not, it is the hands within which it is held that matters most, eh?

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

That group doesn't speak for all Muslims or Islam. Guns kill 35000 people a year, whether on purpose or accident, that's a fact. More people were killed in the neighborhoods here than the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet, instead of any type of reasonable gun control, we want to talk about Islam as a problem.

Marvin, seriously man, stop it, or MBD will start smacking you around with facts. In his absence, I will step up to the plate for a minute...

It's not a fact, if you are referring to the US. Earlier, you used the number 35,000 as the number of deaths in the US, and I let it slide. It's more like 32K for 2013. But gun deaths??? Nowhere NEAR. Try 11,078. ALL homicides, 16K.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

THEM'S da fax, Jack!!

ETA: Those numbers you postulate about deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq... those are just the ones reported by the media as a result of our war. Car to offer a SWAG as to how many died not because of our war, but due to infighting, religious wars, opium wars, etc? Numbers no one in the USA has any way to calculate? I don't know, and neither do you. But let me postulate that they numbers are fairly high. A LOT of killing goes on unreported every day over there. And yes, quite a bit of it is over drugs, but a pretty fair amount is over religious and land disagreements, I assure you.

Edited June 26, 2014 by DavenRoxy

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The USA had something like 4.8 murders per 100,000 people in 2012. That's higher than any other developed nation.

Ignoring the whole gun proliferation thing, why does the USA have so many people who kill?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Marvin, seriously man, stop it, or MBD will start smacking you around with facts. In his absence, I will step up to the plate for a minute...

It's not a fact, if you are referring to the US. Earlier, you used the number 35,000 as the number of deaths in the US, and I let it slide. It's more like 32K for 2013. But gun deaths??? Nowhere NEAR. Try 11,078. ALL homicides, 16K.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

THEM'S da fax, Jack!!

ETA: Those numbers you postulate about deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq... those are just the ones reported by the media as a result of our war. Car to offer a SWAG as to how many died not because of our war, but due to infighting, religious wars, opium wars, etc? Numbers no one in the USA has any way to calculate? I don't know, and neither do you. But let me postulate that they numbers are fairly high. A LOT of killing goes on unreported every day over there. And yes, quite a bit of it is over drugs, but a pretty fair amount is over religious and land disagreements, I assure you.

You know what? I stand corrected. I had to check those links.

My point is, everyone is running around profiling Muslims. The Al Qaeda is a terrorist group, that happens to be muslims. They don't represent us or the majority of all muslims. Yet, when they do something, we have to denounce it. When gun owners go on killing sprees, do you have to apologize for it?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You know what? I stand corrected. I had to check those links.

My point is, everyone is running around profiling Muslims. The Al Qaeda is a terrorist group, that happens to be muslims. They don't represent us or the majority of all muslims. Yet, when they do something, we have to denounce it. When gun owners go on killing sprees, do you have to apologize for it?

All most all the gun owners rail against killings with Guns, and the NRA speaks out strongly against Gun crime.

Edited June 26, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I had a long talk with my glock before I left the house. I told it to stay inside and not go out. At the first hint any of my guns are acting up, it's off to military school they go. No gun of mine will ever kill anybody, can't say the same for me .

Sigh

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Quote from Duplicate account... WT heck they talking about. I don't have a duplicate account

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

All most all the gun owners rail against killings with Guns, and the NRA speaks out strongly against Gun crime.

And yet you don't think Muslims rail against terrorism? That's interesting - people who possess guns possess conscience. People who possess religion do not. Great.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Wow, this thread is stupid.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

More proof that American Conservatives can't do memes.

Posting a picture that implies that Muslims as a whole are responsible for Benghazi. Yeah that's not bigoted at all is it.

Except we don't like to call people bigoted on here. Clearly a word that is stale from overuse because people throw it out there without any reason at all

Edited June 26, 2014 by Papa Lazarou