Abuse of Vawa Discussion - split off from specific case

[BBCC 16]

And yet still you have never responded to any questions to back up your assertions, you just continue to say you know more even than those working in the field, never once bringing any evidence of anything forward. I'm just giving you the opportunity to back up your opinions, which you seem to think are facts with some actual factual knowledge even if its as little as a simple legal definition, which could be easily found on google. You make big claims, VAWA is a failure, no due process in courts, rampant fraud, but not one sliver of anything to back it up other than taking your word for it, because you've sat in the back of "a" courtroom and watched.

I have. You ignore. Then argue. And very poorly. It's always wash, rinse, repeat with you. Never any substance.

[kitthekat 1,317]

And yet still you have never responded to any questions to back up your assertions, you just continue to say you know more even than those working in the field, never once bringing any evidence of anything forward. I'm just giving you the opportunity to back up your opinions, which you seem to think are facts with some actual factual knowledge even if its as little as a simple legal definition, which could be easily found on google. You make big claims, VAWA is a failure, no due process in courts, rampant fraud, but not one sliver of anything to back it up other than taking your word for it, because you've sat in the back of "a" courtroom and watched.

anyone who feels the need to respond to others by way of insult or by demeaning them, just doesn't have a strong enough argument or the knowledge to put forth otherwise. no point arguing with them or fueling their need for attention by responding to their (baseless) jibes.

Edited June 25, 2014 by kitthekat

[BBCC 16]

And yet still you have never responded to any questions to back up your assertions,

And yet again, I have. You don't like the answers and so continue to lie about what has been written.

You continue with writing skills that far surpass your reading ability. Intentionally, probably.

You clearly have a very deeply vested interest in attacking opponents of the matter. Nothing more.

[verysadguy 170]

Let's get back on topic folks.

There is no doubt VAWA fraud occurs, but the system is designed for leniency to protect women (and some men). And it seems to work statistically.

What is not addressed by the government or anyone really is what is done to protect the system from fraud and to prosecute for fraud and to put fraudsters in to removal proceedings.

Some have asked for proof. I am one source of proof as a victim of fraud.

The second arguments relate to false DV claims and restraining orders etc. Yes those occur too, and again women tend to have the upper hand here.

However, women or men falsely accused of DV better have lots of evidence and a damn good attorney, because unlike VAWA these cases may go on the accused personal record and may lead to jail or prison time. I know a guy in jail now who's ex-wife got jealous and called the police and claimed he sexually abused the kids. The guy hadn't even seen the kids! He'll be going up the river for a few years.

As for TRO's those are filed in local courts, reviewed by a judge, if granted then served by an officer of the law upon the defendant, who then has an opportunity to fight it in court or not.

[BBCC 16]

Let's get back on topic folks.

While I agree little with what you say and would argue The Law is being used in completely illegal, misguided and destructive ways, as the old saying goes, I can fight to the death your right to say it. That's what makes this country great.

This thread has been exhausted. Shot to bits. Continuing serves no purpose.

[verysadguy 170]

While I agree little with what you say and would argue The Law is being used in completely illegal, misguided and destructive ways, as the old saying goes, I can fight to the death your right to say it. That's what makes this country great.

This thread has been exhausted. Shot to bits. Continuing serves no purpose.

After reviewing several of your posts you seem to be one of the most mis-informed and illogically compartmentalized thinkers I've ever encountered on VJ.

The purpose of the thread is to acknowledge whereas VAWA is necessary and good for some, it is indeed taken advantage of by fraudsters simply seeking benefits of LPR status in the USA with often sociopathic disregard for the victims they leave in their wake for the sake of their own selfishness.

[BBCC 16]

After reviewing several of your posts you seem to be one of the most mis-informed and illogically compartmentalized thinkers I've ever encountered on VJ.

Based on the perspective of the discussion area in general, I can't see how you could come to any other conclusion. I can only suggest my observations and data set are merely more unique to and differ widely than the masses here. There are even some here who earn a living facilitating relief under the law and they posess their own limited and mis-guided perspective in support of that at any cost.

In the end, the law and it's application remain very controversial.

[Sandra G. 5,057]

The Law is controversial for you my friend, because I never heard about "the Vawa controversy" in any Court room, or even when participating in the USCIS stakeholder meetings.You are entitled to your own opinion.But you are not entitled to your own facts.

[BBCC 16]

But you are not entitled to your own facts.

Defined only as that which you do not agree with, no doubt.

[khwaidee1 196]

This is like watching a dog chase it's own tail, round and round and round........................

[Hypnos 6,578]

I don't agree with dogs. You never see them in church, so that's proof enough for me that they're all satanists. And not the good kind of satanists, either.

[BBCC 16]

I don't agree with dogs. You never see them in church, so that's proof enough for me that they're all satanists. And not the good kind of satanists, either.

What is a satanist?

[Hypnos 6,578]

http://www.churchofsatan.com/

[TBoneTX 45,873]

This thread has been exhausted. Shot to bits. Continuing serves no purpose.

Thread locked per OP's observation.