our case is on ap due to fraud/material misreprestation

[Travyz 3]

as for evidence of genuiness, we submitted lots of signed and notarized docs from local authorities and the usual stuff like wedding photos, records of us calling/talking to each others and many more. i don't remember all of the questions off the top of my head, but the first question the co asked my wife was how did she know me? then he asked about how we never met in person (we met in skype everyday for 9 months before our wedding) and what made her decided to marry me? he said a lot of bs which i disgreed with like, i quote "29 is not old" when he replied to my wife's answer of the reason she decided to marry me was because she's getting older (29 yrs old) and most of her high school bff are married with 2 of 3 kids so it's time for a family of her own. And also because she thinks both of us are comparable to one another as i'm only 4 yrs older than her, have a full time job and not someone who spends most of his time at the casino or drinking his life away. He also asked if she has relatives living in the usa, and she answered "yes, she has a third cousin living in the usa" then he asked where and she couldn't say the name of the city/state (philadelphia/pennsylvania) so i asked the co if i could answer it for her which he said yes with hesitation.

he did not mention the reason he suspected fraud other than that he believes our relationship is not a bonafide relationship.

i believe we had everything in order and there was no word from the co regarding misrepresentation until the end when he gave us the refusal sheet.

there's no previous application for any visa type, Tourist, K1, Diversity.

thank you for the info. i've uploaded a refusal sheet from the co for you to look at and maybe you could help me with some more ideas of what to do and not to do.

I'm sorry to hear your story.. But based on your wife's answer on why she wants to marry you is not the best answer you can get from a woman.

She could have said, I want to marry him because I love him so much... I think answers like this is better than saying... She's marrying you coz she's getting older... For me, marriage is not entered because of that nor because my friends are married already.

If ever you guys get a chance to do it again. Answer the CO with the most affectionate answer you can give, follow your heart. Marriage is a lifetime commitment. Looks like the CO is suspecting your relationship as fraud based on her answers.

Just an opinion.

Good luck to you and your wife.

Edited June 23, 2014 by Travyz

[Fan_Dancer 171]

No, not really. As long as she didn't marry him for a green card, the reason doesn't matter.

Romantic love is a fairly new concept that does not apply worldwide.

[ashleyphilly 70]

I agree that the CO wanted to see more affection from the couple. I also think that not spending time together before the marriage was a big factor in thus denial. If I were the OP, I would try to spend more time with her before I would file anything. The couple needs to know each other better before going to an interview.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

"You will have a good chance to be reaffirmed IF you address the issues they don't like">>> what do you mean when you said "issues they don't like"?

If you can overcome the reason(s) you were denied for in your rebuttal letter.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

touris visa and k1 visa and diversty visa is not stop people to get marry

tourist visa or k1 visa or diversty visa not stop him to get marry and get cr1 visa

No it does not but it can if a previous application had been filed and the data it contains is inconsistent with a new filing, then it can

bring about misrepresentation.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

The scan is not complete, are there any other checked boxes or is anything hand written in the 221g ?

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

as for evidence of genuiness, we submitted lots of signed and notarized docs from local authorities and the usual stuff like wedding photos, records of us calling/talking to each others and many more. i don't remember all of the questions off the top of my head, but the first question the co asked my wife was how did she know me? then he asked about how we never met in person (we met in skype everyday for 9 months before our wedding) and what made her decided to marry me? he said a lot of bs which i disgreed with like, i quote "29 is not old" when he replied to my wife's answer of the reason she decided to marry me was because she's getting older (29 yrs old) and most of her high school bff are married with 2 of 3 kids so it's time for a family of her own. And also because she thinks both of us are comparable to one another as i'm only 4 yrs older than her, have a full time job and not someone who spends most of his time at the casino or drinking his life away. He also asked if she has relatives living in the usa, and she answered "yes, she has a third cousin living in the usa" then he asked where and she couldn't say the name of the city/state (philadelphia/pennsylvania) so i asked the co if i could answer it for her which he said yes with hesitation.

he did not mention the reason he suspected fraud other than that he believes our relationship is not a bonafide relationship.

i believe we had everything in order and there was no word from the co regarding misrepresentation until the end when he gave us the refusal sheet.

there's no previous application for any visa type, Tourist, K1, Diversity.

thank you for the info. i've uploaded a refusal sheet from the co for you to look at and maybe you could help me with some more ideas of what to do and not to do.

Did he verbally speak to you or mention "misrepresentation" ? Or are you just going by the 221g letter ? Big difference.

[Khmer2 0]

The scan is not complete, are there any other checked boxes or is anything hand written in the 221g ?

the bottom part is just the warning if i fail to take action requested within one year then my case will be cancelled

[Khmer2 0]

Did he verbally speak to you or mention "misrepresentation" ? Or are you just going by the 221g letter ? Big difference.

we were given the letter after the interview and were told by a translator in which what she said was already explained in the letter. i asked them to detail the reason as to why the visa was denied and they said to read the letter, no further detail could be given under that ina 222(f) confidentiality of visa record blah blah blah... i think its how this part of the us government operates in order to generate as much revenues as they can to cover the expenses and to pay their staff. I was gonna ask the co if they would accept a video recording of me and the wife getting busy but i thought that would be inappropriate lol. whatever happens, we will work on having kids of our own and hopefully that will help us down the road.

I really appreciate all the comments please keep them coming. Its a pleasure to come here, read & learn from everyone. Thank you!

Edited June 23, 2014 by Khmer2

[Khmer2 0]

Did he verbally speak to you or mention "misrepresentation" ? Or are you just going by the 221g letter ? Big difference.

Your input on the big difference is much appreciated sir

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

It appears you were refused the visa because they believe it is for "immigration benefits only" which is a blanket statement when

they believe you are not a genuine couple. More face time and evidence can overcome that.

In my opinion, the 221g letter you posted is a general statement and not a specific statement that your case involved misrepresentation.

There have been returned cases that go back to the embassy with recommendation to issue the visa and the petitioner never received a

NOIR letter, usually though you will receive a NOIR letter.

Stay on top of your case and make an inquiry once in a while.

A soft denial is the refusal to issue the visa. A hard denial is when USCIS revokes your petition and at that time the P6C marker

kicks in for misrepresentation, even though you have not actually misrepresented anything. It is just the way the cookie crumbles.

For now look for a NOID letter in the coming months.

I don't think a congressman requesting a second interview for you would help at this time.

CO wasn't happy with the answers is the bottom line.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Your input on the big difference is much appreciated sir

Had the CO verbally told you that you misrepresented, it would be clear cut.

The 221g letter is a general letter in my opinion, without specific reason but a blanket statement wherein many different issues

can be contained.

Usually the reason for misrepresentation is hand written on the letter as well ( also embassy specific).

You can, as your lawyer suggested, try to submit more evidence but I don't think it will help.

At this point they wanted an interview with a convincing flow of answers. They didn't get that.

[Boiler 44,986]

2 Hour interview is certainly not the norm.

Seems the first time they met was when they married.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Yes, marriage on first time meeting is one of the fraud indicators. Though the couple may be totally bona fide, some CO's

don't take online interaction prior to marriage into consideration.

I would have thought him being there at the interview would have helped though. Evidently not.

[Khmer2 0]

It appears you were refused the visa because they believe it is for "immigration benefits only" which is a blanket statement when

they believe you are not a genuine couple. More face time and evidence can overcome that.

In my opinion, the 221g letter you posted is a general statement and not a specific statement that your case involved misrepresentation.

There have been returned cases that go back to the embassy with recommendation to issue the visa and the petitioner never received a

NOIR letter, usually though you will receive a NOIR letter.

Stay on top of your case and make an inquiry once in a while.

A soft denial is the refusal to issue the visa. A hard denial is when USCIS revokes your petition and at that time the P6C marker

kicks in for misrepresentation, even though you have not actually misrepresented anything. It is just the way the cookie crumbles.

For now look for a NOID letter in the coming months.

I don't think a congressman requesting a second interview for you would help at this time.

CO wasn't happy with the answers is the bottom line.

any idea of when i should expect the noid or noir? the interview date was march 19 2014 and when the ceac web site shows status updated date as march 28 2014. it's been ove 3 months now.