Denmark's first mosque opens as Social Democrats look for "new ideas" and an Islam that accepts homosexuality

[Jacque67 7,328]

I object on the presence of the muslim religion in Europe, simply because I feel it bring nothing good to the table. You are right - Europe is moving away from organized Christianity towards a Secular Humanism that I personally embrace. A religion of a pedophile, woman abuse and violence can certainly bring nothing worth to it.

Are you dissing the Catholic religion???

[Hotter Otter 1,211]

All, I see, all. Interesting. Well, France is completely secular, it doesn't have a national church. Spain has had a contingent of muslims for several hundred years, Southern Spain was under Moorish rule for some time. The Celts were not Christians, nor were the Angles, or Goths, or Visagoths or Norsemen, slavs or croats, I could go on so your version of Europe is, well, it never existed. More than that, there are already several million non white, non christians living all over Europe and have been, well ever since Europe was Europe. So, my question is, what exactly are objecting to that this mosque represents for you? Do you object to Africans? Muslims? Both? Or only Africans that are also Muslims? Or, Muslims that are not white? You seem to think that one mosque in Denmark is an issue because it reflects badly on the overwhelmingly white, christian Europe that you cherish, and yet, what's one mosque more or less? I really find your objection irrational.

To be fair to him the majority of Europeans have been Christian for as long as Islam has existed and I'm not even a fan of Christianity. Most of the peoples you name had embraced Christianity by at 800, if not much earlier.

As an atheist it is slightly galling that even as Christianity declines in Europe increasing numbers of Muslims are arriving and some (not all) do not fit into the western way of life. For example, threatening to behead people who criticize Islam, attitudes towards women and wanting Sharia law and halal food everywhere. There is currently a furore in England about muslim schools where pupils are told that western women are whores and christians are infidels, yet they are happy enough to live here. It is a minority but it's hardly one or two people and moderate muslims need to speak up. Imagine if I went to the Middle East or Saudi and preached that the locals were infidels and living in the middle ages, I wouldn't last an hour. I don't have a problem with Muslims being in Europe but they need to know that they should respect the European way if they want to be successful here.

[Jacque67 7,328]

To be fair to him the majority of Europeans have been Christian for as long as Islam has existed and I'm not even a fan of Christianity. Most of the peoples you name had embraced Christianity by at 800, if not much earlier.

As an atheist it is slightly galling that even as Christianity declines in Europe increasing numbers of Muslims are arriving and some (not all) do not fit into the western way of life. For example, threatening to behead people who criticize Islam, attitudes towards women and wanting Sharia law and halal food everywhere. There is currently a furore in England about muslim schools where pupils are told that western women are whores and christians are infidels, yet they are happy enough to live here. It is a minority but it's hardly one or two people and moderate muslims need to speak up. Imagine if I went to the Middle East or Saudi and preached that the locals were infidels and living in the middle ages, I wouldn't last an hour. I don't have a problem with Muslims being in Europe but they need to know that they should respect the European way if they want to be successful here.

Good points. You must have a PhD in European studies;)

Don't know why Japan was mentioned btw. Not many people want to emigrate here- lol!!

[Peikko 1,575]

To be fair to him the majority of Europeans have been Christian for as long as Islam has existed and I'm not even a fan of Christianity. Most of the peoples you name had embraced Christianity by at 800, if not much earlier.

As an atheist it is slightly galling that even as Christianity declines in Europe increasing numbers of Muslims are arriving and some (not all) do not fit into the western way of life. For example, threatening to behead people who criticize Islam, attitudes towards women and wanting Sharia law and halal food everywhere. There is currently a furore in England about muslim schools where pupils are told that western women are whores and christians are infidels, yet they are happy enough to live here. It is a minority but it's hardly one or two people and moderate muslims need to speak up. Imagine if I went to the Middle East or Saudi and preached that the locals were infidels and living in the middle ages, I wouldn't last an hour. I don't have a problem with Muslims being in Europe but they need to know that they should respect the European way if they want to be successful here.

Fair, fair? I should be fair to someone who says that Europe is and always has been white and christian? Well, if you say so. My point however, such as it was (aside from the idea that Europe has never been entirely or exclusively white and christian) is that building a mosque in Denmark isn't some kind of tipping point that ensures that Europe is falling to fundamentalist islamic extremists. That's so stupid it's hardly worth pointing out. Europe is governed by European law, not Sharia law or any other religious based legal system. The laws in place ensure that muslims who live in Europe have to abide by the laws of the country they are living in and if their pursuit of their religion (as with any other person persuing their religion) results in them falling foul of those laws they are likely to be arrested, prosecuted and put in jail for any infraction of those laws. I am quite comfortable with the idea that European law is not suddenly going to revert to some outlandish version of Sharia law where women will be stoned in the streets of Bradford.

As to whether moderates should 'speak out'. Really? I think that's absurd. I wouldn't expect a catholic to apologise if a priest molests children, I wouldn't expect a white person to aplogise every time a white supremacist threatens a non white so why should your average joe muslim apologise for the dipshits who run these schools? They are not responsible for that, the muslim religion is not responsible for that, the people who are are those who run the schools are, if indeed what is being suggested is actually occurring which I somewhat doubt although if it has, it clearly must flout some regulation or law that can be implemented to stop it.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Unfortunately there are many Muslim extremists who use the law of the land in the UK to their advantage. Read up on what has been happening in the UK.

However I am not against mosque building. They are much more aesthetically appealing than some of the churches I see in Western countries with their brutal looking crosses posted all over the place!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Do you know what nationality I am when I get up in the middle of the night!

You're a Peeing

Not only did I contribute to this otherwise boring thread, I got the contraction correct , although I miserably bombed the tense and person part of the grammar.

[Peikko 1,575]

Unfortunately there are many Muslim extremists who use the law of the land in the UK to their advantage. Read up on what has been happening in the UK.

However I am not against mosque building. They are much more aesthetically appealing than some of the churches I see in Western countries with their brutal looking crosses posted all over the place!

I don't know what you are referring to when you say they use the law to their advantage. Any examples? I have close ties with the UK even yet and haven't heard anything that even remotely demonstrates that this might be true.

As to mosques, I do not really care one way or another, as long as the adherents obey laws of the land, they can do what they want, as can protestants, catholics, christian scientists, jews, hinus, wickens, sikhs, bhuddists, atheists, and uncle tom cobbly and all, and all, and all

[Jacque67 7,328]

Sorry I can't be bothered to do the "leg work"

If you subscribe to several newspaper like me you will have all the evidence you need. Warlords etc being protected by the British courts etc. but that is a different topic.

[Peikko 1,575]

Sorry I can't be bothered to do the "leg work"

If you subscribe to several newspaper like me you will have all the evidence you need. Warlords etc being protected by the British courts etc. but that is a different topic.

I read a lot of different newspapers. I haven't read anything about warlords being protected in British courts. You have said you can't be bothered to provide more information. I don't blame you, it's an effort so it's all good, when a story arises in future, feel free to post it here and I will be sure to read it.