Horror in Sweden! All 30 girls in one school class have been genitally mutilated!

[Peikko 1,575]

Well from you and I's perspective yes. But if you actually believe abortion is murdering another "human being" then it's not. Now we can talk all day about why but it doesn't matter. Pro-life people are trying to "in their mind" save a life. Genital mutilation has no such noble overtones other than perhaps promoting moral fiber or some bs which is clearly not a life or death issue.

A small percentage which I would give you but you wouldn't let me use my small percentage rape example in the other thread. (the emoti makes it fun)

I wouldn't? I don't even remember the thread. As to culture/religion. I agree that religion can be a facet of culture, but it depends whether it defines it or not. In the case of genital mutilation, I am totally unaware of any religion that requires female genetic mutilation. There are cultures however that do. In that sense, it's entirely a cultural phenomena and not a religious one. The religious requirement is purity of sexual relations. How one achieves that purity is down to culture. Cultures that believe the women are quite capable of self determination will allow the woman to maintain her own purity without punitive action, cultures that believe women have no ability to remain chaste without being rendered incapable of enjoying the sexual act, will clearly take another line. It's completely insane of course, insane, cruel, barbaric and essentially vindictive against women but it's not a part of any religious creed. As to judaism, I am not even sure that's a religious requirement so much as a cultural one as well, and again, I am not sure why they continue the practice, it's also barbaric.

[Karee 4,190]

How can people be so against organized Christianity in the US yet run to the defense of Islam anytime its tarnished. Its all junk, IMO. So is prizing culture and tradition as the guiding force of our advancement into the future. The past is to be respected and studied, not adhered to.

Genital mutilation of a female is not on the same level as pro-choice vs pro-life.

Two thumbs up. :thumbs:

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

How can people be so against organized Christianity in the US yet run to the defense of Islam anytime its tarnished. Its all junk, IMO. So is prizing culture and tradition as the guiding force of our advancement into the future. The past is to be respected and studied, not adhered to.

Genital mutilation of a female is not on the same level as pro-choice vs pro-life.

I'll just give this a thumbs up and move on.. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[GandD 5,966]

I wouldn't? I don't even remember the thread. As to culture/religion. I agree that religion can be a facet of culture, but it depends whether it defines it or not. In the case of genital mutilation, I am totally unaware of any religion that requires female genetic mutilation. There are cultures however that do. In that sense, it's entirely a cultural phenomena and not a religious one. The religious requirement is purity of sexual relations. How one achieves that purity is down to culture. Cultures that believe the women are quite capable of self determination will allow the woman to maintain her own purity without punitive action, cultures that believe women have no ability to remain chaste without being rendered incapable of enjoying the sexual act, will clearly take another line. It's completely insane of course, insane, cruel, barbaric and essentially vindictive against women but it's not a part of any religious creed. As to judaism, I am not even sure that's a religious requirement so much as a cultural one as well, and again, I am not sure why they continue the practice, it's also barbaric.

No it doesn't define it or clearly all Muslims would do this. Its just another piece of the puzzle of backwardness and stupidity........... IMO. Just another tool to justify whatever ridiculous thing one wants to do. The religion is just the coating that helps people swallow whatever pill they're being presented.

[Peikko 1,575]

No it doesn't define it or clearly all Muslims would do this. Its just another piece of the puzzle of backwardness and stupidity........... IMO. Just another tool to justify whatever ridiculous thing one wants to do. The religion is just the coating that helps people swallow whatever pill they're being presented.

All I am pointing out, in case anyone missed it, is that the muslim religion is no more backward than any other, so to blame barcbaric practices on muslims is entirely facile, and it should be said prejudiced. As to cultural practices being bitter pills, I don' think that's a useful analogy. Those who are part of a culture don't really view cultural practices as separate from themselves any more than you view your cultural traits objectively unless you choose to examine them, most people don't and most people don't view themselves as barbaric, surprisingly perhaps . In order to combat such practices you have to work out why people believe that they are normal and acceptable and then find ways to educate otherwise. Blaming muslims or the muslim religion for female genital mutilation simply will not work.

[GandD 5,966]

All I am pointing out, in case anyone missed it, is that the muslim religion is no more backward than any other, so to blame barcbaric practices on muslims is entirely facile, and it should be said prejudiced. As to cultural practices being bitter pills, I don' think that's a useful analogy. Those who are part of a culture don't really view cultural practices as separate from themselves any more than you view your cultural traits objectively unless you choose to examine them, most people don't and most people don't view themselves as barbaric, surprisingly perhaps . In order to combat such practices you have to work out why people believe that they are normal and acceptable and then find ways to educate otherwise. Blaming muslims or the muslim religion for female genital mutilation simply will not work.

For the bolded part, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Islam and Christianity only serve to keep people tied to the past imo.

[Jacque67 7,328]

How many males in Sweden are circumcised ?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

For the bolded part, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Islam and Christianity only serve to keep people tied to the past imo.

The actual purpose of Christianity is about the present and future. Live a life of worship, generosity, love and forgiveness now to be rewarded with eternal life in the future.

[Jacque67 7,328]

The actual purpose of Christianity is about the present and future. Live a life of worship, generosity, love and forgiveness now to be rewarded with eternal life in the future.

Are you a covert priest, Spooky??????

[Peikko 1,575]

For the bolded part, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Islam and Christianity only serve to keep people tied to the past imo.

It's difficult for me because I simply do not believe in deity, it makes no sense so arguing as to whether one or other has a better credo is pointless. However, I do understand that some people seem to need the comfort of having a future beyond the grave. That is their prerogative, and as far as it goes, I respect that right to belief and have no interest in forcing anyone to my point of view. So, I look at religions from that perspective I personally do not think that religion per se is responsible for people being backward in their behaviours. Modern religious belief seems to concentrate far more on the humanitarian and equality aspects of their religion and distances itself from the prejudiced, bigoted, barbaric aspects, and do so more or less successfully as far as I can tell. So, I don't agree that it is religion that is responsible for teeing people to the past.

Edited June 20, 2014 by The Truth™

[Peikko 1,575]

The actual purpose of Christianity is about the present and future. Live a life of worship, generosity, love and forgiveness now to be rewarded with eternal life in the future.

That's not really what he is saying. What he means, is that in his opinion religion plays the major role in keeping people from progressing forward in their treatments of each other. For example, religion seems to promote the idea that homosexuality is a sin. If ou believe that, then you can't treat homosexuals as equals to heterosexuals, it's simply impossible. That is a backwards perspective on homosexuality.

[GandD 5,966]

The actual purpose of Christianity is about the present and future. Live a life of worship, generosity, love and forgiveness now to be rewarded with eternal life in the future.

Unless non of its true, then you've just got a bunch of people basing their lives on a 1000 year old book.

[mota bhai 2,675]

2000?

[GandD 5,966]

2000?

Depends on which part. I accounted for the newest.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Unless non of its true, then you've just got a bunch of people basing their lives on a 1000 year old book.

Even if none of it is true, it's a good way to life. Difficult, but good. The earth would be a much better place if people did love one another, forgave each other and didn't judge each other. Impossible to do do, but it would be utopia.