2 years of qualifying work experience?

[siliconeslinger 0]

Where on the dvselectee website does it detail instructions about what to bring to prove work experience? I must have missed that...

What I said was confirmation of a job title is meaningless as different jobs can have the same title*, and it needs to have detail about the work she does so the CO can check it against the o-net specs. I am pretty sure I did actually talk about this in an earlier post... It may also help (I know others have done this) to bring a payslip etc as the amount of salary earned can often be an indicator as to the level of the job as well. (and yes it will be matched against the country you are in, not converted to USD)

*For example: an investment bank will have thousands of vice-presidents running around. For some big industrial companies, there is only one vice-president and he is second to the guy in charge. Same title, completely different job.

http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/visa/req_docs_iv_interview.html

look at #10

on the DS-260 they do ask "Does this occupation require at least 2 years of training?" and it also asks you to write down your job title as well as your duties...i copied it directly from the o*net website as it does 100% match with what my wife's job requires her to do...i've given you a link to the o*net website rgarding my wife's job haven't i ? its in the zone 4 right ? just confirming...

oh if only i were the principal applicant things would be a lot easier...i don't want this opportunity go to waste as it is VERY HARD to get selected, only 1% chance of winning...i am very lucky to be selected having applied for the DV only 2 times..(4 times if you count me and my wife)

imagine how ridiculous would it be if our application got turned down because of this, to that end, i'll strive to do everything i can to pass the interview..

thanks!

Edited June 24, 2014 by siliconeslinger

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

That link just takes me to the main page of the website, so not sure where I need to look, but it did occur to me that "letter of employment or job offer" as you stated it sounds more like from a US company (will help to prove you won't become a public charge) than anything to do with proving work experience.

It's actually sad how many posts one sees where applicants do get turned down and its often just because they didn't read the instructions re either the education requirement or because they left off derivatives on the original application.

[guestgulkan 9]

That link just takes me to the main page of the website, so not sure where I need to look, but it did occur to me that "letter of employment or job offer" as you stated it sounds more like from a US company (will help to prove you won't become a public charge) than anything to do with proving work experience.

It's actually sad how many posts one sees where applicants do get turned down and its often just because they didn't read the instructions re either the education requirement or because they left off derivatives on the original application.

I think he means scroll down to "Documents required for Diversity Visa (DV) Lottery" then #10 there.

[guestgulkan 9]

http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/visa/req_docs_iv_interview.html

look at #10

on the DS-260 they do ask "Does this occupation require at least 2 years of training?" and it also asks you to write down your job title as well as your duties...i copied it directly from the o*net website as it does 100% match with what my wife's job requires her to do...i've given you a link to the o*net website rgarding my wife's job haven't i ? its in the zone 4 right ? just confirming...

oh if only i were the principal applicant things would be a lot easier...i don't want this opportunity go to waste as it is VERY HARD to get selected, only 1% chance of winning...i am very lucky to be selected having applied for the DV only 2 times..(4 times if you count me and my wife)

imagine how ridiculous would it be if our application got turned down because of this, to that end, i'll strive to do everything i can to pass the interview..

It looked like an eligible occupation to me. I was a little surprised.

The "Letter of Employment or Job Offer" listed looks like a USA Job offer to prove you won't become a public charge. It does not look like work experience qualification evidence to me.

I would do everything Suzie says if I were you.

[siliconeslinger 0]

That link just takes me to the main page of the website, so not sure where I need to look, but it did occur to me that "letter of employment or job offer" as you stated it sounds more like from a US company (will help to prove you won't become a public charge) than anything to do with proving work experience.

It's actually sad how many posts one sees where applicants do get turned down and its often just because they didn't read the instructions re either the education requirement or because they left off derivatives on the original application.

It looked like an eligible occupation to me. I was a little surprised.

The "Letter of Employment or Job Offer" listed looks like a USA Job offer to prove you won't become a public charge. It does not look like work experience qualification evidence to me.

I would do everything Suzie says if I were you.

how can she prove to the CO's satisfication that her work experience does qualify, then? my case seems to be unprecedented....scoured the internet for qualification through work experience, didn't find any...lol

i found this at another country's us embassy website " OR documentary evidence of two years of work experience within the past five years in an occupation requiring at least two years of training or experience to perform."

i also found this : http://www.***removed***/immigrant-visa/sample-employment-letter-immigrant-visa.html

what do you think?

speaking of public charge, i have a friend in texas who has agreed to give me a permanent address to which our permanent resident cards will be sent to as well as a place to live temporarily until we've settled down and manage all the paperwork for us...we also have a $150,000 saving account, would that be enough to satisfy the CO that we won't be a public charge?

should i submit her DS-260 now ?

Edited June 25, 2014 by siliconeslinger

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

how can she prove to the CO's satisfication that her work experience does qualify, then? my case seems to be unprecedented....scoured the internet for qualification through work experience, didn't find any...lol

i found this at another country's us embassy website " OR documentary evidence of two years of work experience within the past five years in an occupation requiring at least two years of training or experience to perform."

i also found this : http://www.***removed***/immigrant-visa/sample-employment-letter-immigrant-visa.html

what do you think?

speaking of public charge, i have a friend in texas who has agreed to give me a permanent address to which our permanent resident cards will be sent to as well as a place to live temporarily until we've settled down and manage all the paperwork for us...we also have a $150,000 saving account, would that be enough to satisfy the CO that we won't be a public charge?

should i submit her DS-260 now ?

$150000 lol, yes it's enough, a tenth of that will be enough for a family of two according to the poverty guideline

I thought I had posted links for you to another forum where they discussed how to prove work experience. Did I post it in another thread maybe?

That employment letter you posted looks like it is from someone already employed in the US on H1 or L1 applying for adjustment to green card. So it's not having to prove anything on o-net (as far as I am aware because that will already have been done for them to have their work visas??)

Edited June 25, 2014 by SusieQQQ

[siliconeslinger 0]

$150000 lol, yes it's enough, a tenth of that will be enough for a family of two according to the poverty guideline

I thought I had posted links for you to another forum where they discussed how to prove work experience. Did I post it in another thread maybe?

That employment letter you posted looks like it is from someone already employed in the US on H1 or L1 applying for adjustment to green card. So it's not having to prove anything on o-net (as far as I am aware because that will already have been done for them to have their work visas??)

What link? You didn't give me any link lol..

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

OK, can you do a search... If it wasn't for you it was for someone with a similar question where I posted a few links to another forums with people who were going through or had been through the process. Not all successful at all they warn you it is very difficult to prove. I don't have time to go looking for the links now.

[Blessed137 1]

Hi everyone,

I was reading this thread on education and I hope someone can clarify this for us.

One of my friend also won DV2015 but she never finished her high school, although she completed a one year access course in college for matured student which allowed her to gained a place in university.

She then completed a four year degree course in Business Management with a B A Buisness Studies UK qualification. She is now a marketing manager for a local authority.

I also got to know whilst we were discussing the issue that she recently went on further and completed a Post grad in French and Economics.

The query is: Will all of this qualifications helped her without the "High School diploma"?

[siliconeslinger 0]

Hi everyone,

I was reading this thread on education and I hope someone can clarify this for us.

One of my friend also won DV2015 but she never finished her high school, although she completed a one year access course in college for matured student which allowed her to gained a place in university.

She then completed a four year degree course in Business Management with a B A Buisness Studies UK qualification. She is now a marketing manager for a local authority.

I also got to know whilst we were discussing the issue that she recently went on further and completed a Post grad in French and Economics.

The query is: Will all of this qualifications helped her without the "High School diploma"?

One does not nees a high school diploma if he has a university diploma as it is technically" higher" than a high school diploma

[Britsimon 18]

Hi everyone,

I was reading this thread on education and I hope someone can clarify this for us.

One of my friend also won DV2015 but she never finished her high school, although she completed a one year access course in college for matured student which allowed her to gained a place in university.

She then completed a four year degree course in Business Management with a B A Buisness Studies UK qualification. She is now a marketing manager for a local authority.

I also got to know whilst we were discussing the issue that she recently went on further and completed a Post grad in French and Economics.

The query is: Will all of this qualifications helped her without the "High School diploma"?

The rules say this:-

"9 FAM 42.33 N7.2 Education Requirements

(CT:VISA-910; 10-23-2007)

We interpret the phrase “high school education or its equivalent” to apply only to

formal courses of study. Equivalency certificates (such as the G.E.D.) are not

acceptable. To qualify, an alien must have completed a 12-year course of

elementary and secondary education in the United States or a comparable course

of study in another country. Evidence might consist of a certificate of completion

equivalent to a United States diploma, school transcripts, or other evidence issued

by the person or organization responsible for maintaining such records, which

specify the completed course of study."

The rules are strict about this but are not always enforced correctly. So the access course and the subsequent University degrees are not certain to be accepted simply because they are "higher". Some COs might accept that - but they actually shouldn't and it is a risky strategy.

If I were your friend I would consider a work experience route. Marketing Manager is a qualifying occupation (see link below). So if she has gained at least 2 years of experience in that role she may well be able to construct a good case, particularly as she works for a local authority where roles are well defined and easily proven.

The O*Net entry for that role is here:-

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/11-2021.00

One does not nees a high school diploma if he has a university diploma as it is technically" higher" than a high school diploma

That is not strictly correct - people can and do get refused on education grounds even though they have achieved higher level qualifications.

[Blessed137 1]

Thanx for taking your time to clearly explained it. Well appreciated.

[guestgulkan 9]

how can she prove to the CO's satisfication that her work experience does qualify, then? my case seems to be unprecedented....scoured the internet for qualification through work experience, didn't find any...lol

i found this at another country's us embassy website " OR documentary evidence of two years of work experience within the past five years in an occupation requiring at least two years of training or experience to perform."

i also found this : http://www.***removed***/immigrant-visa/sample-employment-letter-immigrant-visa.html

what do you think?

speaking of public charge, i have a friend in texas who has agreed to give me a permanent address to which our permanent resident cards will be sent to as well as a place to live temporarily until we've settled down and manage all the paperwork for us...we also have a $150,000 saving account, would that be enough to satisfy the CO that we won't be a public charge?

should i submit her DS-260 now ?

People have successfully done Work Experience before, but many have failed. There are some threads with good ideas on immigration com. I found a really good one for you in the archives yesterday but I lost it and now I'm a bit lazy to search again.

Just my thought, but if I was the officer reviewing I'd be suspicious your wife is an insurance saleswoman, or insurance company receptionist, rather than an insurance agent. The CO will be very suspicious you are lying to get a visa. You need to prove she does all the mathematics behind the calculation of the policy (values, probabilities, calculation of payments, claim analysis etc?). That she's the brains behind the insurance. Detailed job/role descriptions from the company, training courses completed, letters from customers backing your story. Lots of evidence to match the requirements.

I notice you are doing most of the talking - but you're a passenger in this process. Your wife is going to be peppered with questions by a shrewd american. Will she be ready? How is her English?

Do you want this really badly? Enrol her in English lessons. Get her to take lots of courses at work and request certificates for all training completed. Get testimonials.

Time for lunch.

[siliconeslinger 0]

People have successfully done Work Experience before, but many have failed. There are some threads with good ideas on immigration com. I found a really good one for you in the archives yesterday but I lost it and now I'm a bit lazy to search again.

Just my thought, but if I was the officer reviewing I'd be suspicious your wife is an insurance saleswoman, or insurance company receptionist, rather than an insurance agent. The CO will be very suspicious you are lying to get a visa. You need to prove she does all the mathematics behind the calculation of the policy (values, probabilities, calculation of payments, claim analysis etc?). That she's the brains behind the insurance. Detailed job/role descriptions from the company, training courses completed, letters from customers backing your story. Lots of evidence to match the requirements.

I notice you are doing most of the talking - but you're a passenger in this process. Your wife is going to be peppered with questions by a shrewd american. Will she be ready? How is her English?

Do you want this really badly? Enrol her in English lessons. Get her to take lots of courses at work and request certificates for all training completed. Get testimonials.

Time for lunch.

here all applicants are interviewed in indonesian not english as the COs here are mandated to speak either language given that most people here don't speak fluent english, unless you ask otherwise...so no problem there

receptionist? well i believe she is an insurance agent as the duty listed at the o*net website is spot-on which is to sell insurance to policyholders, you get the idea, the math is done on a computer not in one's head as susi said, i told her to read it and asked her is this really what your job requires you to do ? she said yes..

and no, she isn't covering anything up, nor we will ever be, only idiots will do that

Edited June 26, 2014 by siliconeslinger

[guestgulkan 9]

here all applicants are interviewed in indonesian not english as the COs here are mandated to speak either language given that most people here don't speak fluent english, unless you ask otherwise...so no problem there

receptionist? well i believe she is an insurance agent as the duty listed at the o*net website is spot-on which is to sell insurance to policyholders, you get the idea, the math is done on a computer not in one's head as susi said, i told her to read it and asked her is this really what your job requires you to do ? she said yes..

and no, she isn't covering anything up, nor we will ever be, only idiots will do that

This is how you imagine the interview going:

CO: Is your job the same as insurance agent on the O*Net website?

Your wife: Yes

CO: Approved, congratulations here's your greencard! No one ever lies to get a visa, so it must be true!

How it will actually go:

CO: Is your job the same as insurance agent on the O*Net website?

Your wife: Yes

CO: Where is the documentary evidence?

Your wife: You should just believe me.

CO: Wait over there for 15 minutes

(waiting then return to counter)

CO: You haven't provided evidence that satisfies me you meet the work experience requirement of the DV program.

(Hands you refusal letter)

(You spend the rest of your life in Indonesia.)