2 years of qualifying work experience?

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

Doesn't that mean he's right? I have experience with Indonesian Police Certificates. Australia makes you get one even if the USA doesn't. Anyway you've got to go to the local village police station, pay a bribe, get a document from them. Then take that document to the regional HQ and pay a bribe to get another document. Then go to Jakarta police HQ pay a bribe and get the actual document (and they make you wait 6 hours while they sit around giggling and smoking).

Yes he is right that they don't need it - BUT he was saying the reason they don't need it is because Indonesia is a low-fraud country! And that is clearly not the reason!!

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

indonesian applicants subject to more administrative processing ? i don't get it what do you mean by that ?

I was asking, not stating a fact. It would seem that if you cannot get a police certificate the embassy might be more stringent on background checks. But I don't know - hence the question.

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Doesn't that mean he's right? I have experience with Indonesian Police Certificates. Australia makes you get one even if the USA doesn't. Anyway you've got to go to the local village police station, pay a bribe, get a document from them. Then take that document to the regional HQ and pay a bribe to get another document. Then go to Jakarta police HQ pay a bribe and get the actual document (and they make you wait 6 hours while they sit around giggling and smoking).

Yeah that couldn't be closer to the truth... Indonesian police isn't trustworthy but hey at least the fraud level isn't that high

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I was asking, not stating a fact. It would seem that if you cannot get a police certificate the embassy might be more stringent on background checks. But I don't know - hence the question.

reading from my fellow countrymen stories...most of them said the CO only asked simple, straightforward questions such as : why did you decide to migrate, what will you be doing there, do you have any relatives/friends there, where do you plan to live there, so on...the interview only lasted no more than 5 minutes, of course if you look suspicious they'll ask for more questions but i've never heard of that that often, not really sure though...

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

reading from my fellow countrymen stories...most of them said the CO only asked simple, straightforward questions such as : why did you decide to migrate, what will you be doing there, do you have any relatives/friends there, where do you plan to live there, so on...the interview only lasted no more than 5 minutes, of course if you look suspicious they'll ask for more questions but i've never heard of that that often, not really sure though...

Ok, then you should have nothing to worry about (AP comes after the interview and results in a delay to visa issuance, but I'm sure the stories would have said if they were placed on AP).

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

I happen to have a double BS in electrical and computer engineering and a masters in IT. So for once you are the one full of bull. In one of the two cases I shared drinks afterwards and they complained that they haven''t had to do that kind of thing my hand in decades. In Nigeria all documents are suspect. I could go there and in a week have a trunk full of degrees from almost any university.

This... Is just too funny. If you have those degrees you must know how ridiculous it is to (1) think someone could get an engineering degree without a high school diploma ( I wonder if you do actually know that high school is all you need to qualify, you don't need to show work experience if you have it) (2) be expected to know how to answer a question like that years after the fact (3) think that a question from an undergrad exam paper is any kind of test of having minimum two years experience in the job itself. You seem very sincere in relating your story, so I can only presume your friend is still chuckling about how you believed him.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

This... Is just too funny. If you have those degrees you must know how ridiculous it is to (1) think someone could get an engineering degree without a high school diploma ( I wonder if you do actually know that high school is all you need to qualify, you don't need to show work experience if you have it) (2) be expected to know how to answer a question like that years after the fact (3) think that a question from an undergrad exam paper is any kind of test of having minimum two years experience in the job itself. You seem very sincere in relating your story, so I can only presume your friend is still chuckling about how you believed him.

And you don't have a clue about the lack of reliable records in Nigeria especially at the undergrad level. People will go to DV interviews with their college paperwork thinking ... well I have this and it implies that I got out of high school and there are no records from my high school , the the embassy suspecting everything asks a related question in an attempt to validate a claim. Even my husband who went to high school after the war wold be hard pressed to show high school records or ever get them. I have no clue why you think the only way is your way when you have no clue about the country. Are you going to doubt the CO wanted to know my fathers job title as relationship verification ( Dad has been dead for over 50 years ) because it doesn't get asked in 1st world countries.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

The DV selectee website says:

"There is a national WAEC office in Lagos where all results can be checked to verify educational level.

Note: Since fraudulent documents can be easily obtained in Nigeria, the consular officer may wish to consider referring suspect documents to the Anti-Fraud Unit, U.S. Embassy Lagos, for investigation."

Which isn't really the same as asking dud questions at an interview. And I don't come from a first world country. But hey.

Again, they don't need to check results beyond high school. It's not necessary, and according to the official US guidelines as per above all high school results can be verified. These guidelines are what the COs use...

Edited June 24, 2014 by SusieQQQ

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The DV selectee website says:

"There is a national WAEC office in Lagos where all results can be checked to verify educational level.

Note: Since fraudulent documents can be easily obtained in Nigeria, the consular officer may wish to consider referring suspect documents to the Anti-Fraud Unit, U.S. Embassy Lagos, for investigation."

Which isn't really the same as asking dud questions at an interview. And I don't come from a first world country. But hey.

Again, they don't need to check results beyond high school. It's not necessary, and according to the official US guidelines as per above all high school results can be verified. These guidelines are what the COs use...

I dont think that applies to all countries.only in countries where the fraud level is high. Dont think you can do that in first world countries lol Edited June 24, 2014 by siliconeslinger

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

I dont think that applies to all countries.only in countries where the fraud level is high. Dont think you can do that in first world countries lol

Huh? That extract is from the country-specific information for Nigeria.

I don't get what you are saying. Don't think they can do what in first world countries? It's actually easier for them to get background info in first world countries because (1) records are much better and (2) they have much better relationships with the authorities. This is part of the reason why by the time you get to interview in these countries it is pretty much a formality if you meet requirements (the above (1) and (2) do of course also apply to a number of developing countries, such as Kenya for example, where interviews are also pretty much a formality), vs some other countries where AP is more usual.

Anyone who thinks they just look at your forms and take most of it at face value is in for a surprise... if you look up the details of what they do, there is preliminary background checks by USCIS and more in-depth ones by the consulate/embassy where you will interview.

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Huh? That extract is from the country-specific information for Nigeria.

I don't get what you are saying. Don't think they can do what in first world countries? It's actually easier for them to get background info in first world countries because (1) records are much better and (2) they have much better relationships with the authorities. This is part of the reason why by the time you get to interview in these countries it is pretty much a formality if you meet requirements (the above (1) and (2) do of course also apply to a number of developing countries, such as Kenya for example, where interviews are also pretty much a formality), vs some other countries where AP is more usual.

Anyone who thinks they just look at your forms and take most of it at face value is in for a surprise... if you look up the details of what they do, there is preliminary background checks by USCIS and more in-depth ones by the consulate/embassy where you will interview.

So all in all..am i qualified or not?

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

The DV selectee website says:

"There is a national WAEC office in Lagos where all results can be checked to verify educational level.

Note: Since fraudulent documents can be easily obtained in Nigeria, the consular officer may wish to consider referring suspect documents to the Anti-Fraud Unit, U.S. Embassy Lagos, for investigation."

Which isn't really the same as asking dud questions at an interview. And I don't come from a first world country. But hey.

Again, they don't need to check results beyond high school. It's not necessary, and according to the official US guidelines as per above all high school results can be verified. These guidelines are what the COs use...

And that may apply to younger people but older people especially during/ before the war you can't count on records. As I said my husband would be unable to get high school records. But he could get college. Nigeria hasn't been computerized/centralized as long as you seem to think.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

So all in all..am i qualified or not?

Do you mean, is your wife qualified? Only the CO can decide that. You claim she is at the requisite level, but she will need to prove that to the CO's satisfaction. (Sorry I almost forgot what the actual question/point of the thread was because we were sidelined with tangential debates over a high fraud country a couple of continents away from you.) As I posted before it is not that easy to qualify on work experience, not because they supposedly ask dumb one-off questions in the interview, but because the onus is on the applicant to prove they meet the specifications of the job on the right level to qualify. She will need to bring a fair amount of detail about what she does and how she does it etc for the CO to be satisfied.

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Do you mean, is your wife qualified? Only the CO can decide that. You claim she is at the requisite level, but she will need to prove that to the CO's satisfaction. (Sorry I almost forgot what the actual question/point of the thread was because we were sidelined with tangential debates over a high fraud country a couple of continents away from you.) As I posted before it is not that easy to qualify on work experience, not because they supposedly ask dumb one-off questions in the interview, but because the onus is on the applicant to prove they meet the specifications of the job on the right level to qualify. She will need to bring "a fair amount of detail" about what she does and how she does it etc for the CO to be satisfied.

What does a fair amount of detail mean? You said a letter of employment wont suffice and as good as a 2-week-old newspaper...then what will suffice? Does she need to take her boss to the interview ? Lol...the dv selectee website only vaguely says "letter of employment or job offer"

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

What does a fair amount of detail mean? You said a letter of employment wont suffice and as good as a 2-week-old newspaper...then what will suffice? Does she need to take her boss to the interview ? Lol...the dv selectee website only vaguely says "letter of employment or job offer"

Where on the dvselectee website does it detail instructions about what to bring to prove work experience? I must have missed that...

What I said was confirmation of a job title is meaningless as different jobs can have the same title*, and it needs to have detail about the work she does so the CO can check it against the o-net specs. I am pretty sure I did actually talk about this in an earlier post... It may also help (I know others have done this) to bring a payslip etc as the amount of salary earned can often be an indicator as to the level of the job as well. (and yes it will be matched against the country you are in, not converted to USD)

*For example: an investment bank will have thousands of vice-presidents running around. For some big industrial companies, there is only one vice-president and he is second to the guy in charge. Same title, completely different job.

Edited June 24, 2014 by SusieQQQ