2 years of qualifying work experience?

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

During her interview they may go to their data base of questions for people that claim to be wokr as a X they will get a single question ( and the correct answer ) and give that question to your wife. If she produces the correct answer then you get the visa. If not then its over. These are complex questions. ( like calculating the cash value of an value of a whole life policy that was taken out Y months ago with an initial value of Z and a rate of Q ( using real numbers of course )

Well, this sounds like a right load of twaddle. For a start that calculation above would (outside of an exam) always be done on a spreadsheet or financial calculator and not in someone's head. (And it's pretty basic financial maths, not complex.) I would be extremely surprised if these interviews were conducted on the basis of "one question and that's your entire chance". If you can find the FAM notes that confirm what you say I will be very surprised indeed.

[RhettVoe 282]

what I mean is that the COs will not accept as proof of her requisite qualifying experience some letter written at the last minute by some manager....they will check pay records for the last 2-3 years, workbooks (if they are used in Nigeria) and have a host of questions for her that will help the CO figure out whether or not the 'letter' is nothing more than window dressing. A good CO will get her talking and fire questions from different perspectives to see if she just memorized a few answers or whether she really has the experience/knowledge. Letters from third parties are about as valuable as two week old newspaper....

[RhettVoe 282]

Given the well known level of fraud in Nigeria, why would any CO with more than 8 minutes experience ever accept letters, documents, etc. especially when about to issue an immigrant visa, which will turn into a green card? The decision to grant an immigrant visa, especially a DV, is critical...not made on whims....there will be a lot of background checking on applicants, and cross checking....the fraud unit in the consular section will be working overtime to vet applicants....

[siliconeslinger 0]

I am not in Nigeria, maybe the co in your country is stricter than in my Country?

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

Well, this sounds like a right load of twaddle. For a start that calculation above would (outside of an exam) always be done on a spreadsheet or financial calculator and not in someone's head. (And it's pretty basic financial maths, not complex.) I would be extremely surprised if these interviews were conducted on the basis of "one question and that's your entire chance". If you can find the FAM notes that confirm what you say I will be very surprised indeed.

Such questions have come up in Lagos, one decreed engineer who had been doing other work was given a calculus problem to solve and a civil engineer a load analysis problem. I doubt the manual will say anything specific about the methods used to verify education. Just like what are some interviewees for family based visas asked about size and layout of a house they have never seen as proof of a relationship that has taken place entirely outside of the US

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

Such questions have come up in Lagos, one decreed engineer who had been doing other work was given a calculus problem to solve and a civil engineer a load analysis problem. I doubt the manual will say anything specific about the methods used to verify education. Just like what are some interviewees for family based visas asked about size and layout of a house they have never seen as proof of a relationship that has taken place entirely outside of the US

The reason I doubt this is because a CO has no way of judging answers etc. I know enough engineers and any math they do is all done on computers these days. Honestly, I think someone has been talking nonsense. And the OBVIOUS inconsistency in this story is that people don't become engineers without high school. And all you need to qualify is a high school diploma. I'm sure you're just repeating what you heard, but I'm equally sure it's nonsense. The kind of questions you describe are those that come off an undergrad exam paper. Real life is different.

[siliconeslinger 0]

I think it's different from country to country, some countries are stricter than others while some are morw loose than others... E.g Iran and australia iran must be stricter than Australia as their immigration rate is much higher

The documents required are also varied, in my Country a police criminal record isn't needed. but it says "letter of employment"

Cmiiw

Edited June 22, 2014 by siliconeslinger

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

In both cases the officer went to a computer and printed out 2 pages. One was the question and handed to the applicant and the other had the answer. ( which the officer kept of course ) People can claim any experience and Nigeria is known for high quality fake documents. ( along with a couple of other countries ) I have seen fake claims of education on resumes for technical jobs inside the US for years why would it not be the same for people trying to get to the US. Any engineer learns the method behind the calculation they just use computers for speed I can tell you computers are not allowed in tests at college. But now Nigeria isn't playing the lottery anymore.

[siliconeslinger 0]

In both cases the officer went to a computer and printed out 2 pages. One was the question and handed to the applicant and the other had the answer. ( which the officer kept of course ) People can claim any experience and Nigeria is known for high quality fake documents. ( along with a couple of other countries ) I have seen fake claims of education on resumes for technical jobs inside the US for years why would it not be the same for people trying to get to the US. Any engineer learns the method behind the calculation they just use computers for speed I can tell you computers are not allowed in tests at college. But now Nigeria isn't playing the lottery anymore.

Well yeah thank god I'm not from Nigeria

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

Yeah I still think this story sounds very fishy. I know Nigeria has a high fraud rate and I have seen actual department of state documents about it and the methods they use to detect fraud, and I have never seen any mention of that. I still think it's a bullsh1t story. It's not "just using computers for speed". You're obviously not working in a related field. When you go to university you have to show them you know how to work it out. Once you start working you just use computers. No one is going to remember all the formula and methods they use when they had to calculate it out by hand. You've also conveniently ignored the fact that engineers will all qualify by education anyway which makes this whole story suspect from the start.

Anyway quite frankly I'm sure DoS is very relieved to have Nigeria out the lottery, you are correct about the massive amount of fraud.

Well yeah thank god I'm not from Nigeria

Even if you were I'm calling bullsh1t on this story. Even in Nigeria you need high school to become an engineer so the whole story is plain nonsense.

[siliconeslinger 0]

Yeah I still think this story sounds very fishy. I know Nigeria has a high fraud rate and I have seen actual department of state documents about it and the methods they use to detect fraud, and I have never seen any mention of that. I still think it's a bullsh1t story. It's not "just using computers for speed". You're obviously not working in a related field. When you go to university you have to show them you know how to work it out. Once you start working you just use computers. No one is going to remember all the formula and methods they use when they had to calculate it out by hand. You've also conveniently ignored the fact that engineers will all qualify by education anyway which makes this whole story suspect from the start.

Anyway quite frankly I'm sure DoS is very relieved to have Nigeria out the lottery, you are correct about the massive amount of fraud.

Even if you were I'm calling bullsh1t on this story. Even in Nigeria you need high school to become an engineer so the whole story is plain nonsense.

Yeah what I'm trying to say is that every country is different as far as the co is concerned, countries with high immigration rates + fraud will be stricter... It's just common sense.. In my country a police certificate isn't required.

I also don't think they have the capability to ask thosw aforementioned questions (formulas, etc) as that's not their field imho..

Edited June 23, 2014 by siliconeslinger

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

Yeah what I'm trying to say is that every country is different as far as the co is concerned, countries with high immigration rates + fraud will be stricter... It's just common sense.. In my country a police certificate isn't required.

I also don't think they have the capability to ask thosw aforementioned questions (formulas, etc) as that's not their field imho..

I'm very confused that you say in your country a police certificate is not required. It is a standard requirement for every country. I know there are one or two countries who do not issue police certificates and that is the only reason I can see that it would not be required - ie it is nothing to do with fraud or not but whether or not you are able to get one.

http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate/diversity-visa/if-you-are-selected/prepare-supporting-documents.html

Which Applicants Need to Submit a Police Certificate

Each applicant aged 16 years or older must submit all required police certificates to the U.S. Embassy or Consulate at his or her interview.

What Does the Applicant Submit

The applicant must submit police certificates that meet the following guidelines. The police certificate must:

• Cover the entire period of the applicant's residence in that area.
• Be issued by the appropriate police authority.
• Include all arrests, the reason for the arrest(s), and the disposition of each case of which there is a record.

How to obtain a police certificate

• Determine from which countries an applicant is required to obtain police certificates. The table below will assist in determining from where an applicant must obtain police certificates. Note: Present and former residents of the United States should NOT obtain any police certificates covering their residence in the United States.

• Contact the appropriate police authorities. Selecting the appropriate country from the Reciprocity by Country page will provide you with additional information on how to obtain a police certificate.

IMPORTANT NOTICE ABOUT POLICE CERTIFICATES: The Reciprocity by Country pages will indicate if a country's police authorities require the submission of a specific Police Certificate Request form. Some countries may require the submission of specific Police Certificate Request forms in order to properly request and obtain the applicable Police Certificate(s). Police certificates from certain countries are unavailable. More specific information is available online on our Reciprocity by Country webpage.

In fact this is exactly the reason it is not required for Indonesia, from link above... clearly nothing to do with low fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are Indonesian applicants subject to more AP because of this, I wonder?

Police Records

Unavailable for applicants inside and outside Indonesia. Indonesian police certificates require initial processing at a local or village level, which is nonstandard in nature, can be subject to capricious decisions by officials and may require nonofficial payments to proceed further."

[siliconeslinger 0]

indonesian applicants subject to more administrative processing ? i don't get it what do you mean by that ?

[guestgulkan 9]

Police Records

Unavailable for applicants inside and outside Indonesia. Indonesian police certificates require initial processing at a local or village level, which is nonstandard in nature, can be subject to capricious decisions by officials and may require nonofficial payments to proceed further."

Doesn't that mean he's right? I have experience with Indonesian Police Certificates. Australia makes you get one even if the USA doesn't. Anyway you've got to go to the local village police station, pay a bribe, get a document from them. Then take that document to the regional HQ and pay a bribe to get another document. Then go to Jakarta police HQ pay a bribe and get the actual document (and they make you wait 6 hours while they sit around giggling and smoking).

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

Yeah I still think this story sounds very fishy. I know Nigeria has a high fraud rate and I have seen actual department of state documents about it and the methods they use to detect fraud, and I have never seen any mention of that. I still think it's a bullsh1t story. It's not "just using computers for speed". You're obviously not working in a related field. When you go to university you have to show them you know how to work it out. Once you start working you just use computers. No one is going to remember all the formula and methods they use when they had to calculate it out by hand. You've also conveniently ignored the fact that engineers will all qualify by education anyway which makes this whole story suspect from the start.

Anyway quite frankly I'm sure DoS is very relieved to have Nigeria out the lottery, you are correct about the massive amount of fraud.

Even if you were I'm calling bullsh1t on this story. Even in Nigeria you need high school to become an engineer so the whole story is plain nonsense.

I happen to have a double BS in electrical and computer engineering and a masters in IT. So for once you are the one full of bull. In one of the two cases I shared drinks afterwards and they complained that they haven''t had to do that kind of thing my hand in decades. In Nigeria all documents are suspect. I could go there and in a week have a trunk full of degrees from almost any university.