Discrimination on ap that's all

[Caryh 5,206]

Mind-numbing. Official racism exists, it's the reason foreign consulates are allowed and in fact directed to discriminate against people of certain ethnic backgrounds with certain ethnically associated names. The US's own foreign policy shows that it in fact does not regard "terrorism" in and of itself as a bad thing, but only terrorism that it deems to be against its aims. The claim that the US is only trying to "fight terrorism" with AP and other discriminatory measures is bankrupt and nonsensical, since the US is itself one of the greatest historical and current state sponsors of terrorism. Therefore, the claim that AP is used only due to terrorism is shown to be false, and in fact discriminating against people based on their names, ethnicity, religion, is what it is-- not security against terrorism, which the US is actually quiet adept at using to its own advantage, but racism and bigotry. I think that ought to be clear enough.

And you apparently ignored where I said most AP has nothing to do with terrorism. And the time spent in AP often has much to do with how hard it is to look up information in the country they're from, and/or having a common name.

Because you don't like America, I really have to ask why the heck are you even here?

Somehow you have gotten it into your head the USA is the only country in the world doing what you say its doing, and some how this is due to racism. No facts will ever change your view. You will conveniently ignore all things someone says and then claim they said something totally different than they have. I guess the only way to make you happy is if we just opened our borders and let anyone enter. Just send us a note and we'll send you a green card should be the policy. Heck why waste time with green cards, we'll just send you a USA passport. Why the heck should we make sure someone isn't already married? Or a drug dealer, or bank robber, murderer, rapist, heck this is the land of the free, so anyone should be free to come and go as they please without us knowing the first thing about them. After all that's the only way we won't be racists.

[belinda63 3,038]

I wouldn't have a problem with AP except for all the people crossing the border illegally. They are usually given a court date that everyone knows they will never show up for. They then disappear never to be seen again until they do something illegal.

If I wanted to commit an act of terror in the US I wouldn't bother applying for a visa, I would just jump the border. Much, much easier.

(fully expecting another visit from the FBI now).

[thedude6752000 360]

And you apparently ignored where I said most AP has nothing to do with terrorism. And the time spent in AP often has much to do with how hard it is to look up information in the country they're from, and/or having a common name.

Because you don't like America, I really have to ask why the heck are you even here?

Somehow you have gotten it into your head the USA is the only country in the world doing what you say its doing, and some how this is due to racism. No facts will ever change your view. You will conveniently ignore all things someone says and then claim they said something totally different than they have. I guess the only way to make you happy is if we just opened our borders and let anyone enter. Just send us a note and we'll send you a green card should be the policy. Heck why waste time with green cards, we'll just send you a USA passport. Why the heck should we make sure someone isn't already married? Or a drug dealer, or bank robber, murderer, rapist, heck this is the land of the free, so anyone should be free to come and go as they please without us knowing the first thing about them. After all that's the only way we won't be racists.

If AP has nothing to do with "terrorism" than why did someone post State's official terrorist list to justify discriminating against Muslims (and in fact even Christians and agnostics with Muslim names!)? Why did someone earlier say that MENA people deserve AP? Why did another poster say that bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan, therefore everyone in Pakistan should go into AP? I am sorry but "terrorism" is clearly connected to the shocking rise in AP since 9/11.

[Jon and Krissy 452]

Yep, go ahead and keep hiding behind your family instead of the bigotry you spouted, just goes to show that even you realize what you said is indefensible.

Edit: Also way to go with the Islamophobic anti-Semetism reference. I never endorsed killing anybody and of course advocating for genocide is racist. One wonders what you would think of the multiple organizations in Israel that not only defend the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 but also advocating further cleansing operations to rid "Judea and Samaria" of all those pesky Palestinian Untermenschen. I suppose in your eyes saying "the Palestinian people does not exist" even as the Israeli occupation tortures and mistreats them everyday is not racism either, but then I would be assuming something without having heard your opinion on it, wouldn't I?

Yes, you would be assuming something. Apparently, it is all you know how to do.

[Krikit 1,164]

Closed for review.

[Krikit 1,164]

Thread re-opened. Please do not make personal attacks or post abusively or you will face administrative action.

Moving this thread from Waivers and AP Processes to General Immigration Discussion.

[Caryh 5,206]

If AP has nothing to do with "terrorism" than why did someone post State's official terrorist list to justify discriminating against Muslims (and in fact even Christians and agnostics with Muslim names!)? Why did someone earlier say that MENA people deserve AP? Why did another poster say that bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan, therefore everyone in Pakistan should go into AP? I am sorry but "terrorism" is clearly connected to the shocking rise in AP since 9/11.

Wow you really pick and choose what you want to see. Its either got to be all terrorism, all racism or all somethingism no matter what anyone writes or posts. Now everything means its terrorism because I posted a link to what groups are listed as terrorist groups to point out why Islamic countries get more scrutiny. Doesn't matter if I've posted repeatedly that most AP cases have nothing to do with terrorism, that doesn't matter because I posted a link to an actual factual site. Doesn't matter that a bring up the length of time in AP has a lot to do with the ability to get documents of proof in a country with poor documentation. Its all about one link now. What's it like to look at a flower garden when everything in the world is so black and white?

[Cathi 5,748]

Statistically, and let's say looking at things over the last twenty years or so, I think you are mistaken.

Certainly there are plenty of non-Islamic terrorists out there. Timothy McVeigh as you mentioned had extreme right-wing views; Richard Reid the British so-called "shoe-bomber", and Anders Breivik, who again advocated extreme right wing viewpoints.

What you hear about most on the news though are organisations like Al-Quada and the Taliban, both extreme militant Islamic organisations that endorse misogyny, kill women and children in the name of Islam, cut off people's fingers for voting, and essentially try to create Islamic religious states with themselves ruling them. Of course, the proportion of Islamic terrorists compared to the global population that peacefully practice Islam is tiny. The overwhelming majority are law-abiding individuals. And certainly I don't doubt that there are terrorist Jewish people, terrorist Sikhs, terrorist Christians in the world (since I'm from the UK I am particularly familiar with the latter through the Troubles in Northern Ireland), but I would suggest that in the past twenty years or so it is militant Muslims that have committed a great number of terrorist acts, and probably the most, if we're keeping tally by the religion they identify with.

Now, knowing all of this, does that make what the US does right? Does it make it ok how USCIS and US posts overseas take harder looks when the beneficiary has ties to Islamic countries and causes? I would suggest that they are within their rights to do so - up to a point. When you hear the horror stories of people on AP for literally years and years, that I think is pushing the envelope too far. An extra few weeks or even a few months, I think, is a more reasonable price to pay for the aim of ensuring that those people admitted to the US as immigrants are not terrorists, have no links to terrorism, and so another 9/11 will not occur.

To put it bluntly: radical Islam is one of the greatest threats to the security of this country and many others around the world, and I don't think it's out of order that potential beneficiaries from Middle Eastern and North African countries are scrutinised a little more.

Agreed. My husband is Muslim from a Muslim country. He was put into AP, we didn't like it, but we understood the reasoning behind it. I don't think it's discrimination, I think it's our government trying to protect the citizens of this great country

[Maritah 101]

My opinion its that any country can have an strong line politic about National Security and USA its not the exception. To me, nobody its special just because are under a legal process to get a visa and its not even worth it compare ourselves with illegal inmmigrants because our circunstances are way different.

Furthermore, the law its simple and any person that wants the privilege to be legally allowed to be in the USA soil must follow it and wait patiently to be accepted. If a person dont have any records about criminal activities, then its just matter to wait, and to me its a fact that discrimination doesnt enter in the equation when National security its involve. Everybody are under the microscope not matter what.

We must remember too the odds about any burocratic procedure and that means time, and yes, some offices are more efficient than anothers (i.e TSC vs CSC), but that dont means that you get automatically denial just because they take so long to grant you a visa. It's an administrative procedure, so that means that they gonna require time to check backgrounds of both and yes, its not nice, but its necessary for a good reason.

The raw truth its that If people dont like too much USA government ways, then people must really think if its worth it the waiting for get the visa that they want and if its a good idea go to live there.

Best regards.

[thedude6752000 360]

My opinion its that any country can have an strong line politic about National Security and USA its not the exception. To me, nobody its special just because are under a legal process to get a visa and its not even worth it compare ourselves with illegal inmmigrants because our circunstances are way different.

Why isn't it "worth it" to bring the 11 million people who live in this country illegally into the picture? According to the defenders of this nonsense, if not for AP there would be chaos on the streets, general havoc, cats and dogs living together, madness I tell you. AP is necessary to defend us from all the terrorists/scammers/criminals just aiting in the wings to get in and whose presence would wreck the country. Yet there are 11 million people in the country who came here mostly without going through this process; if AP is really so necessary where's all the havoc? And if it's really so necessary, why are we probably going to be giving these people legal status here in the next 1-4 years?

[Hypnos 6,576]

As much as I think you're wrong, I have to give you props for the Ghostbusters reference.

[mike56427 6]

... come on dude ... probably 95 times out of a 100 or better ... they are muslim radicals. Statistically speaking, if I could get those odds in Vegas I'll be on my way ... and so would you

People with Muslim names are no more likely to commit "terrorism" than are people with Anglo-Saxon names. If you're not going to "make sure" for Canadian people named "Timothy" and "McVeigh" or Nordic people names "Anders" and "Breivik" than "making sure" only Muhammad is nothing but naked racism.

[RPGwriter 2]

I have no example. Which of course proves that these AP times are worth the trouble.

As an aside you are free to leave to any country that will have you if you find the US so distasteful. That would pull the double duty of potentially solving your wait time woes that you're always on about as well.

Have you ever seen the episode of the Simpsons where Lisa sells Homer the rock that repels tigers? It goes something like this.

Homer buys into some scam for some protection he doesn't need. Lisa tries to use an analogy to explain the problem. She picks up a rock.

Lisa: This rock repels tigers.

Homer: That seems awfully suspicious.

Lisa: Well, when's the last time you saw a tiger around Springfield?

Homer: ...Lisa, I would like to buy that tiger-repelling rock.

That's what you just did. There's no proof that AP times prevented this from happening. There's no proof that anyone actualy _tried_ to do it and were blocked by the AP. You could just as easily argue that the AP thing keeps werewolves from entering our country, because we haven't had any werewolf attacks since the Patriot Act.

[Caryh 5,206]

Have you ever seen the episode of the Simpsons where Lisa sells Homer the rock that repels tigers? It goes something like this.

Homer buys into some scam for some protection he doesn't need. Lisa tries to use an analogy to explain the problem. She picks up a rock.

Lisa: This rock repels tigers.

Homer: That seems awfully suspicious.

Lisa: Well, when's the last time you saw a tiger around Springfield?

Homer: ...Lisa, I would like to buy that tiger-repelling rock.

That's what you just did. There's no proof that AP times prevented this from happening. There's no proof that anyone actualy _tried_ to do it and were blocked by the AP. You could just as easily argue that the AP thing keeps werewolves from entering our country, because we haven't had any werewolf attacks since the Patriot Act.

You've got a point. You can't prove a negative. But if AP is just to keep muslims and other races out of the USA because the USA is so racist, why do other's from the same country get in without an extended period on AP? In fact if we're so racist, why don't we just say sorry wrong color, or sorry wrong religion? Do you guys really think there wouldn't be a swarm of lawyers on this filing suits if such a thing as institutional racism was going on with AP?

[Chantal&Marjo 4]

Hi guys can I ask a question?

Why if my father have criminal record isn't clean they put me in AP???When mine is clean and perfect?! someone have any ideas?

Maybe daughter must pay for the mistakes of his father and can't get a visa??? It's crazy!!