Discrimination on ap that's all

[thedude6752000 360]

Yes, except 'Allah Akbar' is also something suicide bombers shout before murdering innocent people. Come on, you are being disingenuous. This is indisputable: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=terrorists+shouting+Allah+Akbar

And what you just said is something spree shooters like Anders Breivik say before killing dozens of innocent people. Come on, you're being racist. This is indisputable.

[Jon and Krissy 452]

And what you just said is something spree shooters like Anders Breivik say before killing dozens of innocent people. Come on, you're being racist. This is indisputable.

Islam is NOT a race. On a moderate day I am a Socialist, although I consider myself more of a Rational Anarchist. Your putting me in the same category as Breivik is deeply insulting. On religious issues, I largely agree with Richard Dawkins.

It seems you are of the school that ANYONE who disagrees with you must be a racist. I have non-white kids, a non-white spouse, and a non-white half sister who would all disagree with you.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Jon and Sol

[Soul Froosh 31]

The actual meaning of "Discrimination" is to be able to distinguish differences in things intelligently.

We are all different. There are high-fraud countries and lower-fraud countries.

There are countries with radical religious cultures and some with very little.

There are countries that have posed major security risks to the USA, and some who have not.

If people never "discriminated" in life, we would let anyone through our front doors that knocked, and let our kids go and play with anyone they choose without checking where and who they are playing with.

Typically nobody does that, because we "discriminate" (ie distinguish between things) and use judgement.

Discrimination is sometimes a very good thing. It's not just a dumb "racist" word.

[thedude6752000 360]

Can't do much about people who are born and raised here, as you cannot deport a citizen.

But one need only look at the list of foreign terror organizations to see why so many islamic countries have much longer AP waits.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

And a question, who would want to be the CO that let in someone who later went on to commit a terrorist act?

That list just goes to show how hypocritical and discriminatory State "terror lists" are. Mujahedeen-e-Khalq is a terrorist organization in Iran with a religiously extremist philosophy that has killed hundreds of people in Iran, but since the US wants to attack Iran we fund them and have magically removed their "terrorist" status. Several Irish Republican groups are listed on their but no loyalist paramilitaries like the Ulster Defense Force (UDF) which killed thousands of innocent Catholic civilians during the Troubles in Ireland (because the official US position is to support British imperialism in Ireland). Groups like the fascist Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari in Italy that killed hundreds of people with bombings and other terror attacks in Italy and all over Europe were actually funded and set up by the CIA and of course do not appear on any US "terror lists" (look up Operation Gladio in Europe, dozens of fascist terrorist organizations were set up by the CIA to "fight communism" in Western Europe after the 2nd World War). In point of fact terrorists around the world have for about the last 70-100 years have been as likely to be working for the US as to be fighting against it. The terror watch list is 100% political and just goes to show how absurd and hypocritical the US obsession with "terrorism" is.

[thedude6752000 360]

Islam is NOT a race. On a moderate day I am a Socialist, although I consider myself more of a Rational Anarchist. Your putting me in the same category as Breivik is deeply insulting. On religious issues, I largely agree with Richard Dawkins.

It seems you are of the school that ANYONE who disagrees with you must be a racist. I have non-white kids, a non-white spouse, and a non-white half sister who would all disagree with you.

Dude, that's the "but I have a black friend!" defense. Stating that saying the phrase "Allahu Akbar" makes someone a possible terrorist is bigotry no matter who says it. Go ahead and keep repeating over and over that you married a Filipina so therefore you can't be a racist, that won't make it true.

Edited June 19, 2014 by thedude6752000

[Caryh 5,206]

Islam is NOT a race. On a moderate day I am a Socialist, although I consider myself more of a Rational Anarchist. Your putting me in the same category as Breivik is deeply insulting. On religious issues, I largely agree with Richard Dawkins.

It seems you are of the school that ANYONE who disagrees with you must be a racist. I have non-white kids, a non-white spouse, and a non-white half sister who would all disagree with you.

And how many Filipinas have ended up on AP? Tons that I have seen over the years and it has nothing to do with terrorism. It has to do with fraud, not ending former marriages, and many other issues which are not quickly looked up.

People want to say AP means racism. I would venture to bet that the vast majority of people going into AP had nothing to do with terrorism, but the ability to do discovery in much of the world sucks. It takes time, sometimes a lot of time. Poor documentation and fraud in countries' government is a big reason. Used to be AP in the Philippines meant 6 months to a year, now its much shorter because the government has gotten better at documenting things of interest to the embassy and made those documents easier to obtain.

AP isn't a one issue topic, there are many many reasons someone can go on it. Some as simple as someone has a very common name in a country and its not easy to chase down who is who. Until they do, someone will stay in AP.

Do we give more attention to checking out countries with high incidence and influence of terroristic groups, I should sure hope we do. Call it racist if you want, but I'd call it reality.

[Jawaree 717]

This will happen because Bin Laden lived comfortable in

Pakistan in close proximity of their army compound, and after

the individual who led the US to them was imprisoned, this

speak volumes that some of the ppl will always resent the

West & the USA...of course CAUTION is a high priorty.

If ppl are offended or feel discriminated against Y even bother

try getting into the USA Y not go to AU, Norway, NZ, Switzerland

Sweden, France, China & Russia they are welcome to try going

to those countries

[Caryh 5,206]

That list just goes to show how hypocritical and discriminatory State "terror lists" are. Mujahedeen-e-Khalq is a terrorist organization in Iran with a religiously extremist philosophy that has killed hundreds of people in Iran, but since the US wants to attack Iran we fund them and have magically removed their "terrorist" status. Several Irish Republican groups are listed on their but no loyalist paramilitaries like the Ulster Defense Force (UDF) which killed thousands of innocent Catholic civilians during the Troubles in Ireland (because the official US position is to support British imperialism in Ireland). Groups like the fascist Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari in Italy that killed hundreds of people with bombings and other terror attacks in Italy and all over Europe were actually funded and set up by the CIA and of course do not appear on any US "terror lists" (look up Operation Gladio in Europe, dozens of fascist terrorist organizations were set up by the CIA to "fight communism" in Western Europe after the 2nd World War). In point of fact terrorists around the world have for about the last 70-100 years have been as likely to be working for the US as to be fighting against it. The terror watch list is 100% political and just goes to show how absurd and hypocritical the US obsession with "terrorism" is.

But that is not racism, its politics. How can it be racism when we're backing people and against people of the same race? First you say its one thing, now you say its another and say its proof of your first point. We backed the Taliban at one time to, when they were fighting the Soviet Union, and look how that worked out. I'm not saying the government's policies towards these organizations is a good thing, but it doesn't make it racism either.

[Jon and Krissy 452]

Dude, that's the "but I have a black friend!" defense. Stating that saying the phrase "Allahu Akbar" makes someone a possible terrorist is bigotry no matter who says it. Go ahead and keep repeating over and over that you married a Filipina so therefore you can't be a racist, that won't make it true.

Yes, having mixed-race children and a non-white spouse, and having been raised from the age of four by a stepfather of Indian decent from a family who adhered to the Shia Islam faith is EXACTLY the same as saying 'but I have a black friend.' By all means, continue to demonstrate your ignorance and your arrogance. It is very entertaining.

I suppose someone saying 'let's kill all the Jews in Israel' is also not 'possibly' anti-Semitic in your view.

[Jon and Krissy 452]

But that is not racism, its politics. How can it be racism when we're backing people and against people of the same race? First you say its one thing, now you say its another and say its proof of your first point. We backed the Taliban at one time to, when they were fighting the Soviet Union, and look how that worked out. I'm not saying the government's policies towards these organizations is a good thing, but it doesn't make it racism either.

Oh no, there's no such thing as politics or religion, only racism.

[belinda63 3,038]

Ok time for some history.

How may of you remember when Russia invaded Afghanistan? How many of you remember the US trained and armed the Taliban?

How many of you remember the Iran-Iraq war? How many of you remember the US supported Iraq and provided weapons and training? The same weapons and training we later invaded them for having.

[thedude6752000 360]

But that is not racism, its politics. How can it be racism when we're backing people and against people of the same race? First you say its one thing, now you say its another and say its proof of your first point. We backed the Taliban at one time to, when they were fighting the Soviet Union, and look how that worked out. I'm not saying the government's policies towards these organizations is a good thing, but it doesn't make it racism either.

Mind-numbing. Official racism exists, it's the reason foreign consulates are allowed and in fact directed to discriminate against people of certain ethnic backgrounds with certain ethnically associated names. The US's own foreign policy shows that it in fact does not regard "terrorism" in and of itself as a bad thing, but only terrorism that it deems to be against its aims. The claim that the US is only trying to "fight terrorism" with AP and other discriminatory measures is bankrupt and nonsensical, since the US is itself one of the greatest historical and current state sponsors of terrorism. Therefore, the claim that AP is used only due to terrorism is shown to be false, and in fact discriminating against people based on their names, ethnicity, religion, is what it is-- not security against terrorism, which the US is actually quiet adept at using to its own advantage, but racism and bigotry. I think that ought to be clear enough.

Edited June 19, 2014 by thedude6752000

[thedude6752000 360]

Yes, having mixed-race children and a non-white spouse, and having been raised from the age of four by a stepfather of Indian decent from a family who adhered to the Shia Islam faith is EXACTLY the same as saying 'but I have a black friend.' By all means, continue to demonstrate your ignorance and your arrogance. It is very entertaining.

I suppose someone saying 'let's kill all the Jews in Israel' is also not 'possibly' anti-Semitic in your view.

Yep, go ahead and keep hiding behind your family instead of the bigotry you spouted, just goes to show that even you realize what you said is indefensible.

Edit: Also way to go with the Islamophobic anti-Semetism reference. I never endorsed killing anybody and of course advocating for genocide is racist. One wonders what you would think of the multiple organizations in Israel that not only defend the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 but also advocating further cleansing operations to rid "Judea and Samaria" of all those pesky Palestinian Untermenschen. I suppose in your eyes saying "the Palestinian people does not exist" even as the Israeli occupation tortures and mistreats them everyday is not racism either, but then I would be assuming something without having heard your opinion on it, wouldn't I?

Edited June 19, 2014 by thedude6752000

[Caryh 5,206]

Yes, having mixed-race children and a non-white spouse, and having been raised from the age of four by a stepfather of Indian decent from a family who adhered to the Shia Islam faith is EXACTLY the same as saying 'but I have a black friend.' By all means, continue to demonstrate your ignorance and your arrogance. It is very entertaining.

I suppose someone saying 'let's kill all the Jews in Israel' is also not 'possibly' anti-Semitic in your view.

Are you trying to tell me you don't have a black friend? Man I make sure I keep one on the hook just so people don't think I'm racist.

Of course they're not anti-semitic, they didn't say kill all the jews in the world did they?

I kinda got a kick out an earlier line about having wiped out all the indigenous people in America. I guess that means a few more of my friends aren't here now, and maybe I also, since I'm also part Indigenous American. I kinda wonder who's running all these casinos around here to now.

[AmyWrites 593]

I think AP has a lot less to do with Islam or terrorism, and a lot more to do with the fact that certain countries are much more high fraud and/or the authorities are not good about keeping documentation and such up to date or easy to find.