Discrimination on ap that's all

[lonelywithouthim1 36]

We wasted a year in AP, we started in 2011 and finally finished in 2014. It was unfair, wrong and so many things but not discrimination. I agree the system needs improvement because it does control and dictate your life during the process. I know how much it cost us during the wait and wouldn't wish that on any one. I also understand the law is created to protect us. As much as I hated it, I understood.

OP - this will also pass, stay strong!

[T&T&T 31]

Have you asked yourself why anyone would discriminate against you? What would be their reason? Chances are you will never know . If you think this is discriminatory maybe the United States is not the place for you. For example just try to get medical information on your husband or family member without their permission from a doctor, hospital, or insurance company. Try leaving your pet in your car on a hot afternoon in a mall parking lot. Try sending you child to school with a black eye without a note to the teacher explaining how it happened. Try punishing your child without an explanation for why you did it to the child protection agencies. These are examples of situation we deal with today because of a few unethical and irresponsible people in the past. I hope you get your answer soon and good luck in the US.

[Ilovemyman 147]

Discrimination is a word thrown around far too quickly, often as a catch-all argument. "I didn't get that job, so it must be discrimination". " I didn't get my visa yet, it must be discrimination".

They are performing additional checks on you; that is the long and the short of it. They will never tell you what those checks are, or what they find, but at the end of the process you will either receive your visa or you will be denied. It's an imperfect system, but the law is the law.

Isnt descrimination when consular officer say to one man for example: she is older than you, you arent going to have children with her?

They job isnt juge if the couple will have children or no.

i know that there are many people that they need investigate,but when a couple is real and show every thing why torture wirh ap.

[Ilovemyman 147]

Have you asked yourself why anyone would discriminate against you? What would be their reason? Chances are you will never know . If you think this is discriminatory maybe the United States is not the place for you. For example just try to get medical information on your husband or family member without their permission from a doctor, hospital, or insurance company. Try leaving your pet in your car on a hot afternoon in a mall parking lot. Try sending you child to school with a black eye without a note to the teacher explaining how it happened. Try punishing your child without an explanation for why you did it to the child protection agencies. These are examples of situation we deal with today because of a few unethical and irresponsible people in the past. I hope you get your answer soon and good luck in the US.

All those example that you make dont come to the case that I am talking about, because all that you says I know that you need give explanation.

I am talking in many cases that people never havent had problem and never have did something wrong.

And they put in ap anyway, that is that I am talking about.

For example in my country if you work honesty, and have your car, own money etc you go to the consulate to try to get a tourist visa but they deny you because you dont have enoug reason to come back to your country.

But if make fraud and go with fake papers car, house and money they approved you.

In many cases the embassy dont know what they are doing, fake couple are lucky that the real once.

All the time they waste with real couple they need use it with the fake ones.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I think that in many cases usa use ap as a way of discimination. They discriminate people by religions diferences, age diference or somthing like that. I dont understand why put people in ap by long time and torture people. In many cases they approved people without give 221g papers or without missing papers, but put peoole wait long time for issue a visa without the poeple be criminal or terrorist. They dont tell you that but when they put people in ap without reason is because they think that the beneficiary is a criminal or a terrorist. They destroy lives people without feel pain doing that. Usa think that is better that all the country in the world. They discriminate people and all is right for them. People dont have the right to get informations., just wait. Very bad for them.

If one persone hasnt any problem why torture with ap?

AP is discriminatory in nature, but not in the manner it is being [mis]represented by some posters here.

If you land on AP it does not mean it is good or bad, so much as it means that the USCIS needs to check your application further. In that sense, AP is not a judgment of any sorts.

Unfortunately there is little you can do other than wait. However, if your AP is taking longer than 12 months you can hire a lawyer and file a 'writ of mandamus' asking a judge to order the USCIS to make a decision on your case. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mandamus

Good luck!

Edited June 19, 2014 by Gegel

[kehills 217]

Isnt descrimination when consular officer say to one man for example: she is older than you, you arent going to have children with her?

They job isnt juge if the couple will have children or no.

i know that there are many people that they need investigate,but when a couple is real and show every thing why torture wirh ap.

No, that's not discrimination. For many, if not most, people, having children together is part of married life. And in many cultures-especially where fraud is high-there is a religious as well as cultural obligation to have children. It's not discrimination to ask if you've thought about cultural and religious pressures and do you have an answer for that. (Does he want kids, do you, how will religious mandates be filled, etc.) It is, very frankly, the duty of the officer to make sure you two are on the same page regarding your relationship, and many (many!) people don't discuss things like children and reproduction until after they're married.

And it's not just because where you're from. My husband is almost 10 years younger than I am, is a well-educated white Australian, and he faced the exact same question about age difference and children in Sydney.

Is where you're from affecting things? Probably; as you noted, it's hard to get tourist VISAs when you live in a high fraud country, because it's a high fraud country. Again, be mad at the people who are from the Dominican Republic and abuse the tourist program, not the person who is doing their job (and asking the questions that get asked to many people).

[Jon and Krissy 452]

I think that in many cases usa use ap as a way of discimination.

They discriminate people by religions diferences, age diference or somthing like that.

I dont understand why put people in ap by long time and torture people.

In many cases they approved people without give 221g papers or without missing papers, but put peoole wait long time for issue a visa without the poeple be criminal or terrorist.

They dont tell you that but when they put people in ap without reason is because they think that the beneficiary is a criminal or a terrorist.

They destroy lives people without feel pain doing that.

Usa think that is better that all the country in the world.

They discriminate people and all is right for them.

People dont have the right to get informations., just wait.

Very bad for them.

If one persone hasnt any problem why torture with ap?

IMO, the process is an imperfect bureaucracy. I do not believe that its slowness are caused by discrimination. Were that the case, there would be a dearth of minorities, Muslims, etc. that are given the privilege to move to the U.S.

I say this from the point of view of someone who is not even a little patriotic, and who is moving abroad this autumn. The failings of this country are legion, IMO, but what you contend is not one of them.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Jon and Sol

[Ilovemyman 147]

AP is discriminatory in nature, but not in the manner it is being [mis]represented by some posters here.

If you land on AP it does not mean it is good or bad, so much as it means that the USCIS needs to check your application further. In that sense, AP is not a judgment of any sorts.

Unfortunately there is little you can do other than wait. However, if your AP is taking longer than 12 months you can hire a lawyer and file a 'writ of mandamus' asking a judge to order the USCIS to make a decision on your case. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mandamus

Good luck!

My petition was approved by uscis and at the consulate also.

My interview was well, but they put me in ap anyway.

I am no talking about uscis process.

I talking about when a people has a clear record and is put in ap.

[cdneh 3,112]

Those people should thank they're fellow countrymen for being either terrorist or harboring them (like Bin Laden in Pakistan) and if they're hate US so much, they should make up their mind and not attempt to come here.

There may have not been anybody that used K-1 or IR-1 to blow themselves (and others) up - yet. Before 9/11 there wasn't anybody that hijacked a planed and brought down a building(s) with it.

No, but remember those people were here on student visas.

Also been in AP here. It isn't discriminatory, It's thorough.

[JohnR! 5,495]

My petition was approved by uscis and at the consulate also.

My interview was well, but they put me in ap anyway.

I am no talking about uscis process.

I talking about when a people has a clear record and is put in ap.

Landing on AP and having a clear record are not mutually exclusive.

[Caryh 5,206]

People with Muslim names are no more likely to commit "terrorism" than are people with Anglo-Saxon names. If you're not going to "make sure" for Canadian people named "Timothy" and "McVeigh" or Nordic people names "Anders" and "Breivik" than "making sure" only Muhammad is nothing but naked racism.

Can't do much about people who are born and raised here, as you cannot deport a citizen.

But one need only look at the list of foreign terror organizations to see why so many islamic countries have much longer AP waits.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

And a question, who would want to be the CO that let in someone who later went on to commit a terrorist act?

[cdneh 3,112]

My petition was approved by uscis and at the consulate also.

My interview was well, but they put me in ap anyway.

I am no talking about uscis process.

I talking about when a people has a clear record and is put in ap.

They aren't going to take anyone's word about a 'clear record'. They are going to see for themselves. There are security checks to complete, and they will do them. Neither of us had anything in our history, and yet still we were put in AP. And I've not noticed any terrorists or bad actors coming out of NZ.

[lucybelle 453]

I agree with OP and dude. It's discrimination. In fact, with our interview coming up I told my husband "we probably won't get put into AP because we don't have any red flags, aren't in a high fraud country, aren't Muslim, and aren't in MENA countries"

[belinda63 3,038]

Well it was already mentioned but almost all the alleged 9/11 hijackers came on student visas from Saudi Arabia using the express visa system they have there. Not all terrorist are Muslim or brown skinned or speak Arabic or any of those things. I, being an older, white American by birth was investigated by the FBI because of a post I made where I said "Allah Akbar" and because I am married to (in their words) a Middle Easterner. Now why someone would have a problem with me saying "God is Great" I still don't understand. Somehow "Allah Akbar" is worse than "Hallelujah" which is another Middle Eastern word for "Praise God".

[Jon and Krissy 452]

Well it was already mentioned but almost all the alleged 9/11 hijackers came on student visas from Saudi Arabia using the express visa system they have there. Not all terrorist are Muslim or brown skinned or speak Arabic or any of those things. I, being an older, white American by birth was investigated by the FBI because of a post I made where I said "Allah Akbar" and because I am married to (in their words) a Middle Easterner. Now why someone would have a problem with me saying "God is Great" I still don't understand. Somehow "Allah Akbar" is worse than "Hallelujah" which is another Middle Eastern word for "Praise God".

Yes, except 'Allah Akbar' is also something suicide bombers shout before murdering innocent people. Come on, you are being disingenuous. This is indisputable: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=terrorists+shouting+Allah+Akbar

Edited June 19, 2014 by Jon and Sol