How can I prove someone is still married in the Philippines?

[ECS 3]

Hello.

I have a long complicated story and I am hoping someone could help me. I will keep it short.

I am an American Citizen.

I married a Philippine Citizen in the US in 1998. She was able to enter the US in 1991 based on being married to another American Citizen in 1991. She married him in the Philippines.

She was also married to another Philippine Citizen in 1983. Long complicated story, but she was able to hide this marriage by using someone elses identity and then married the US Citizen in 1991.

She was able to obtain divorces in the US from both the Philippine Citizen and the US Citizen. I married her in 1998. I did not know these facts until 2010.

I have divorced her and she has been ordered deported, lost her appeal and has filed her case with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and that is still pending.

I am trying to obtain an annulment for personal reasons.

I know the Philippines does not recognize divorce, even though she did obtain them in the US.

I need help proving that she is still considered married under Philippine Law.

Does anyone know who I can contact to get proof that she is still considered married. I do have the marriage certificates and a letter from the Philippines stating she was married, but that is not enough to prove that she would still be considered married now in the Philippines.

Can anyone help or offer advice?

Thanks!

[Darnell 8,479]

there should be a CENMAR record on both of the marriages in the PI -

I think it's done by filing a CENOMAR request ...

use all the names and ID numbers that you know about.

if you are seeking an annulment notice in the PI - there's a process for that but I not know of it .

[Boiler 45,932]

I was thinking the same, CENOMAR would show her marital status in PI.

As she is not in PI and I presume you are not quite why it is relevant is another issue.

[ECS 3]

Thanks for the replies, but I think I need more than just a CENOMAR. I need something saying that although she was divorced in the US, she would still be considered married in the Philippines

[Boiler 45,932]

Print out the relevant section of PI Law, gets mentioned here enough so I am sure there are links.

Why do you need it? Are you looking to marry in PI?

[ECS 3]

Print out the relevant section of PI Law, gets mentioned here enough so I am sure there are links.

Why do you need it? Are you looking to marry in PI?

No, it has nothing to do with getting remarried or anything like that.

My lawyer needs something more official than a printout of the law.

[Boiler 45,932]

That is surely about as official as it gets?

Perhaps your Lawyer needs to pull his finger out and get whatever he needs himself? That is what you are paying him for.

[hardrockangel 21]

If you have contact in philippines ask them to get marriage contract of that 2 marriages of your ex from NSO..but you have to know exactly the names of husbands and where and when exactly the marriages takes place..that certificate is the only legal proof that you may used.

[Hank_ 9,174]

Hello.

I have a long complicated story and I am hoping someone could help me. I will keep it short.

I am an American Citizen.

I married a Philippine Citizen in the US in 1998. She was able to enter the US in 1991 based on being married to another American Citizen in 1991. She married him in the Philippines.

She was also married to another Philippine Citizen in 1983. Long complicated story, but she was able to hide this marriage by using someone elses identity and then married the US Citizen in 1991.

She was able to obtain divorces in the US from both the Philippine Citizen and the US Citizen. I married her in 1998. I did not know these facts until 2010.

I have divorced her and she has been ordered deported, lost her appeal and has filed her case with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and that is still pending.

I am trying to obtain an annulment for personal reasons.

I know the Philippines does not recognize divorce, even though she did obtain them in the US.

I need help proving that she is still considered married under Philippine Law.

Does anyone know who I can contact to get proof that she is still considered married. I do have the marriage certificates and a letter from the Philippines stating she was married, but that is not enough to prove that she would still be considered married now in the Philippines.

Can anyone help or offer advice?

Thanks!

You contact NSO in the Philippines. This can be done online. https://www.ecensus.com.ph/Default.aspx

Just a side not - Philippines does recognize divorce if the USC is the petitioner of the divorce. Otherwise No... as you stated.

[namour7997 2]

"She was also married to another Philippine Citizen in 1983. Long complicated story, but she was able to hide this marriage by using someone elses identity and then married the US Citizen in 1991."

Question: How can you prove she was married when you said she used another identity?

[novedsac 355]

Okay, so ....

1. You are USC #2

2. Girl was and still is a PI citizen

3. Girl married another PI citizen in PI in 1983

4. Girl married USC #1 in PI whilst still married to the PI citizen in 1991, presumably under a false name

5. Girl immigrated to the US based on marriage to USC #1 in the timeframe of 1991 - 1998

6. Girl filed for divorce in the US to both PI citizen husband and USC #1 in the timeframe of 1991 - 1998

7. Girl married USC #2 in 1998

8. Girl divorced USC #2 sometime after 1998 and has some sort of immigration issue which has resulted in an Order of Deportation

Whew ... got it right?

Was USC #1 in on the fraud to obtain an immigration visa?

Did Girl use false name to obtain immigration visa to USA?

I would assume that the PI girl had to file the divorce of her PI citizen spouse whilst in the US and that would make it unrecognizable in the PI. However, I don't see why it would not be recognized in the US as a valid divorce.

The marriage to USC #1 seems to be invalid if I've understood your information correctly, so the divorce with USC #1 appears to be moot.

I think the PI recognition of the divorce from the PI citizen is only relevant if USC #2 married her in PI as well. If USC #2 married her in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter), then the validity of the marriage depends upon the validity of the divorce in the location the marriage is taking place.

If annulment is available to you in your State, then you may be better off on the 'fraudulent marriage for immigration benefit' avenue, especially if you can prove that she obtained an immigration visa under fraudulent means.

[Hank_ 9,174]

Divorce in U.S. is recognized in the Philippines if petitioned by USC, doesn't matter where or what country they were married in.

[novedsac 355]

Divorce in U.S. is recognized in the Philippines if petitioned by USC, doesn't matter where or what country they were married in.

Yes, but if the girl was not a USC and filed for divorce from her PI spouse whilst in the US, it would not be recognized in PI. Correct?

If I understand the facts correctly then it would appear her marriage from 1983 is still valid in PI, whereas it may have been recognized as dissolved in the US.

[Hank_ 9,174]

Yes, but if the girl was not a USC and filed for divorce from her PI spouse whilst in the US, it would not be recognized in PI. Correct?

If I understand the facts correctly then it would appear her marriage from 1983 is still valid in PI, whereas it may have been recognized as dissolved in the US.

Yes her initial marriage is still valid in the Philippines.. but for the rest of the world they are divorced.

I was referencing to your comment:

" I think the PI recognition of the divorce from the PI citizen is only relevant if USC #2 married her in PI as well. "

Edited June 13, 2014 by Hank_

[novedsac 355]

Yes, because if the PI Girl filed and obtained the divorce from her PI spouse in the US, then the marriage to USC would not be possible (valid) in PI, but would be possible (valid) in US (at least from an eligibility to marry perspective). Otherwise, I don't see where the validity of the PI Girl's marriage/divorce from the PI spouse is relevant.

Edited June 13, 2014 by novedsac