Creationist asks ‘hard question’: ‘If evolution is true, is rape wrong?’

[spookyturtle 9,466]

That's not the point I was making. You said that those who don't believe in god should watch out because they will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Personally, I don't give a toss about entering the kingdom of heaven so I don't need to 'watch out' and yet I do still live my life as a good humanitarian, I just don't judge people based on deist precepts. So what now?

So what now? Nothing, continue living your life as you chose. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. Gegel and I have gone back and forth on this a few times, and that's what we were doing here.

[GandD 5,966]

You're supposed to get them every night. Waking up with one every night is a sign of good health, I am told.

Depends on if you sleep in your stomach.

[GandD 5,966]

You seem not to know much about rape. One thing that is agreed upon is that rape is about power and domination, not sexual lust. Perhaps you misunderstood what it means when psychologists say that rape is not about sex? What it means is, that it is not about sexual lust, feeling horny if you will and wanting to satisfy that urge. What it is about is power, domination, subjugation, humiliating the victim. None of which are integral aspects of the sexual act amongst the consenting population.

Yeah but there are some gray areas. Drunk couple where the female changes her mind midway through and the guy doesn't accept the answer? It's rape, but I don't think it had anything to do with the more clinically accepted causes of rape.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yeah but there are some gray areas. Drunk couple where the female changes her mind midway through and the guy doesn't accept the answer? It's rape, but I don't think it had anything to do with the more clinically accepted causes of rape.

I keep hearing about this potential scenario, but how often does it really happen? Who would actually force someone to have sex, even when drunk? What you seem to be saying is that women frequently regret having sex whilst drunk and accuse the guy of rape, I would say that is highly infrequent although I am sure there is a small percentage of times this happens, and obviously that's not rape, bad decisions sure, but not rape, so back to the forcing a drunk girl to have sex, yeah, I would say that's back to domination, humiliation, and subjugation if a guy actually does this. If your partner starts resisting your advances, you darn well know it's happening and unless you have zero interest in your partners feelings, you are not going continue to be turned on at this point, correct?

[Jacque67 7,328]

Precisely. If the person I am with isn't interested half-way through I quit. Who wants forced sex apart from a psycho!! Plenty of fish in the sea, and better days.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Those who do their best to live as Jesus taught have nothing to lose. If this is it and there is no hereafter, people lived a righteous life and cared for their fellow man. If there is a judgement day and everlasting life, lots of people will wish they had believed and loved one another. Even if the Inflation Theory is true, where did that initial particle come from? You follow what you believe or don't believe. I respect your right to do so. I respect your right to own an AR-15.

Scientists are still asking that question, and will continue for a long time. Philosophically speaking however, if you believe in one single creator, one might say that the initial particle was always there. The question is akin to asking where god came from. Who or what was before god? If you can answer that, you can easily expand and consider the singularity has always existed, or rather, before the expansion began there was no 'before' because time began with the singularity.

Schrodinger's cat...

[GandD 5,966]

I keep hearing about this potential scenario, but how often does it really happen? Who would actually force someone to have sex, even when drunk? What you seem to be saying is that women frequently regret having sex whilst drunk and accuse the guy of rape, I would say that is highly infrequent although I am sure there is a small percentage of times this happens, and obviously that's not rape, bad decisions sure, but not rape, so back to the forcing a drunk girl to have sex, yeah, I would say that's back to domination, humiliation, and subjugation if a guy actually does this. If your partner starts resisting your advances, you darn well know it's happening and unless you have zero interest in your partners feelings, you are not going continue to be turned on at this point, correct?

I'm not saying its frequent, I'm just saying it happens, its rape, and its not a power thing. I have no idea how common it is verses any other form of rape. Its just the only type of rape I've known to happen to women I know. But I disagree, my scenario is def rape. When one of the two want the act to stop, it has to stop, that's all there is to it regardless of whether or not both wanted it to happen at the outset.

[Jacque67 7,328]

I'm not saying its frequent, I'm just saying it happens, its rape, and its not a power thing. I have no idea how common it is verses any other form of rape. Its just the only type of rape I've known to happen to women I know. But I disagree, my scenario is def rape. When one of the two want the act to stop, it has to stop, that's all there is to it regardless of whether or not both wanted it to happen at the outset.

C'mon it is a power thing. The one who persists on continuing the sex act is refusing to acknowledge that they might not be attractive at that particular time and enforcing their own will upon the situation.

[GandD 5,966]

C'mon it is a power thing. The one who persists on continuing the sex act is refusing to acknowledge that they might not be attractive at that particular time and enforcing their own will upon the situation.

In the scenario I've known of, I think its a "I'm not stopping" thing

[Jacque67 7,328]

In the scenario I've known of, I think its a "I'm not stopping" thing

Yeah and that is a rapists aptitude IMO. Luckily I have never been raped, nor ever raped someone. If I have said stop or the other party, the act has stopped. I would never dream of imposing my own needs upon a reluctant party. Maybe they would more receptive later. Timing is important if you respect the other party. Otherwise it is a matter of imposing your will upon someone, which is disgusting OMHI

[mota bhai 2,675]

I wonder why we refer to people as parties.

[SMR 368]

You seem not to know much about rape. One thing that is agreed upon is that rape is about power and domination, not sexual lust. Perhaps you misunderstood what it means when psychologists say that rape is not about sex? What it means is, that it is not about sexual lust, feeling horny if you will and wanting to satisfy that urge. What it is about is power, domination, subjugation, humiliating the victim. None of which are integral aspects of the sexual act amongst the consenting population.

So you are an expert on rape? I'm completely aware of what you are saying and heard in all in school. But it's garbage.

And who agrees? Rapists? Rape victims? You and your mother?

Honestly, I don't have a lot of use for most psychologists. Their conclusions reflect more on their brains than those they try to analyze. They change what they agree on based on what seems socially and politically expedient. The entire idea of a psychological disorder is simply a reflection of what society thinks is normal.

[Jacque67 7,328]

I wonder why we refer to people as parties.

Struck a nerve?

[mota bhai 2,675]

No, just wondering. It's always struck me as odd.

[Peikko 1,575]

So you are an expert on rape? I'm completely aware of what you are saying and heard in all in school. But it's garbage.

And who agrees? Rapists? Rape victims? You and your mother?

Honestly, I don't have a lot of use for most psychologists. Their conclusions reflect more on their brains than those they try to analyze. They change what they agree on based on what seems socially and politically expedient. The entire idea of a psychological disorder is simply a reflection of what society thinks is normal.

As your dismissal of psychology and psycologists is based on prejudice not information, it can be summarily dismissed as irrelevant.

As to my opinion, it is based on the body of work of psychologists, and I do not dismiss the weight of their opinion so lightly. However, it's quite simple really, consensual sex is not about a power struggle nor does it allow for one of the participants needs to be completely dismissed. The fact that anyone would continue the sexual act while clearly being told that doing so is completely against the wishes of the person you are meant to be participating with and be considered just sex boggles the mind. No, it's no longer about sex, it's about getting your own way regardless, that's why it's termed rape and that's why it's not an acceptable act.