visa denied 01-16

[mybackpages 0]

YAY Congratulations

I think Jan 16 was the day ALL consular officials were told to ask for more proof

[slim 1,525]

You know, that really is a possibility. The government does what's called "random (insert flag-word here, like anti-terrorism, anti-fraud, internal review, etc.) measures" where they'll randomly change or enhance a normal procedure in the hopes of catching something or someone that is not following said procedure. It screws up the rest of the people who are doing everything right, but that's the whole purpose of a "random measure".

[mybackpages 0]

You know, that really is a possibility. The government does what's called "random (insert flag-word here, like anti-terrorism, anti-fraud, internal review, etc.) measures" where they'll randomly change or enhance a normal procedure in the hopes of catching something or someone that is not following said procedure. It screws up the rest of the people who are doing everything right, but that's the whole purpose of a "random measure".

I think you might be right too. I was discussing this with friends- trying to sort out what seems to be a irrational process- and it made sense to us, that this random kind of snag that some of us find ourselves in is some type of "quality control" since they do not have the man power to really check every single applicant thoroughly.

[esojrd 0]

Never despair. We got denied the first time we interviewed for the same reasons, not having enough proof. We finally gathered about 100 pages of phone calls I made. Luckily I used Skype, and every call was online. We also sent more pictures of us together and myself with her family. Lastly, we sent about 7 or 8 emails. They approved us without a problem the next time.

Overwhelm them. Overwhelm them. Overwhelm them.

Edited January 28, 2007 by mierda

[slim 1,525]

If they are having a "random quality control measure" day, even if you send 500 pages of phone calls, e-mails, pictures, letters, etc., it probably wouldn't matter.

I'd say send more than what you think you'll need, but don't send too much.... if you put all your eggs in one basket, what are you going to send when they ask for "more proof?"

A good thing to do is submit some good photos with your original K-1 packet, that way they know from the start the two of you were meant to be together forever, and to have your S/O bring a few pages of each correspondence; phone records, e-mails (with photos), hand-written letters, new photos not submitted with the original packet, etc., and have them hold in reserve the archive that includes EVERYTHING, so that way if prompted for more, they have the ablity to dump 400 more pages on them.

The best thing to do is to make sure that your S/O really does love you (not saying he/she doesn't, it's just that they're the ones that have to "sell it" at the interview, and if you've only known each other for 8 months, it's kind of hard to do that.) and they're capable of "selling" your relationship to the C/O. If you've "drilled" them enough, they should be able to go in there and spit out your name, address, phone number, kids names, parents names, and everything about you that the C/O wants to hear, all the while sounding like you're the best thing since sliced bread. If they can do that, there's really no need for more evidence.

But, maybe the govt. really does choose the day your S/O goes in for blanket denials. Or, maybe only every fourth one passes. Something like that. So it's not right, so it inconveniences you... who cares? They don't. (I care, but looking at it from their point of view, you don't matter. You only pay their salaries, keep them in office, allow them to keep their positions, etc.. Welcome to America!)

[Hazah 0]

This was a good story of tragedy turned triumph! I'm so happy that ya'll won in the end. It just goes to show that you should never give up, no matter the obstacle. My fiancee and i are very concerned about our own circumstance and we haven't even cleared the NOA2 petition hurdle yet. This gives us hope that even a rejection or delay can be turned around.

[slim 1,525]

You're looking at it the right way, a rejection is just a delay, not the be-all, end-all of the visa process.

If you're still waiting on NOA II, build up your "evidence" and practice all questions/answers, etc. You should have plenty of time to prepare for an interview that's going to be at least a few months off.

Good luck!

[Barry2005 0]

You're looking at it the right way, a rejection is just a delay, not the be-all, end-all of the visa process.

If you're still waiting on NOA II, build up your "evidence" and practice all questions/answers, etc. You should have plenty of time to prepare for an interview that's going to be at least a few months off.

Good luck!

It is a big NO NO if the consular finds out there was any coaching of the interview questions, so my lawyer told me. He said it can look like you are creating a fraud.

But then again ...my lack of coaching may have caused our 221g.

[ManuNSam 1]

theres a difference in coaching and practicing

i would go over questions that she is going to get asked

it would make the spouse more comfortable to know what to expect

coaching would be more like telling them to answer a specific way

like in an attempt to hide facts or an attempt to make things appear a certain way.

[slim 1,525]

theres a difference in coaching and practicing

i would go over questions that she is going to get asked

it would make the spouse more comfortable to know what to expect

coaching would be more like telling them to answer a specific way

like in an attempt to hide facts or an attempt to make things appear a certain way.

Exactly.

Your fiancee should be able to understand, and answer, in English, "What are your fiance's favorite things to do? Where does he work? Why do you think the two of you will be together forever?" And things of that nature.

You're not coaching them, you're placing them in a practical scenario that they're likely to encounter during the interview. Granted, the interview can be done in the native language, but how many points do you think that knocks off right away? There are way too many "you're coming to America, so you should speak English" people out there, admitted or not. Is it unreasonable to expect the C/Os to be the same way?

Plain and simple, if your girl cannot understand and answer basic questions about you in English, how can she truly be ready for life with you in America? And moreover, how can any C/O in the world be "sold" on the fact that the two of you are in love? I mean come on, she can't even answer basic questions about you. How can all of us be sure she loves you? Answer: WE CAN'T! That's why you're not getting the visa.

Now, I'm not really saying all of that, I'm just playing "ignorant C/O of the day". But that's how you have to look at your case. If you're not confident that she can "sell" her love for you, and her "real relationship" to the C/O, then your chances of approval are decreased dramatically. So practice. COACH if you must!!! Ensure that she's able to know/understand/answer questions, IN ENGLISH, when asked about you.

And if she doesn't know the answer... that's fine, BULL$#!T!!!!!! The C/O doesn't know your "whole" story, so if she can make shinola out of $#!T, then she's going to get approved. If she can't, you better COACH her a little more. (Or at least practice!)

[Satellite 1]

Plain and simple, if your girl cannot understand and answer basic questions about you in English, how can she truly be ready for life with you in America? And moreover, how can any C/O in the world be "sold" on the fact that the two of you are in love? I mean come on, she can't even answer basic questions about you. How can all of us be sure she loves you? Answer: WE CAN'T! That's why you're not getting the visa.

I disagree one two grounds.

1. We both speak Russian so all of this is irrelevant.

2. Some "internet" brides communicate with the American through sex only. That is sufficient for them and the CO should know that.

As for the coaching thing, the attorney is really referring to himself. An attorney is breaching an ethical standard when he coaches his clients on how to answer questions to get the kind of answers that the law would favor in his clients favor. The attorney should instead explain the law and the consequences of various answers and then let the client choose to perjurer him or herself if necessary.

[slim 1,525]

1. We both speak Russian so all of this is irrelevant.

2. Some "internet" brides communicate with the American through sex only. That is sufficient for them and the CO should know that.

Exactly my point.

1. The C/Os will see it for what it is. If you can speak Russian, or your fiancee can prove that you can communicate effectively with her in Russian, (because she can't speak English effectively enough to answer "So what does your fiance like to do for fun?") then the C/O will be more apt to issue the visa. However, the vast majority of petitioners to Moscow know how to say "Privet, kak dela?" and that's about it. So, how in good faith can a C/O issue an approval to a woman who can't even communicate effectively with her petitioner?

2. The C/O knows the "sex communication" doesn't exactly equal a long-term relationship commitment once the green card is issued. It's usually followed by a "spasiba for the green card... sucker!" (because now she's learned some English), and then a divorce. Not exactly a bonus for visa issuance.

[wissooner 0]

Well, I have told Elena when the time comes for her interview to speak English but only if she understands what is being asked of her. I mean, her English is pretty good if one speaks slowly enough and restricts their vocabulary a bit. Will the CO do this? I dunno. So English yes, but Russian to understand the interviewer if necessary. I get different vibes on this subject. I think it is more important to understand what is being asked of you than trying to impress the CO with English skills that are not quite good enough conduct the interview. Just my thoughts........

[slim 1,525]

The language is not really the main issue, it's the presentation, or the "sale" of the relationship.

If she communicates with you most often in basic/modified/slow English (as probably most of the relationships on here do) then that's what the interview will be in. If you both can speak Russian, then the interview will be in Russian. If you speak a combination of the two, then it will be a combination. It's up to the beneficiary to set the tone for the interview, with the focus to be on her knowing everything about you that a "normal" fiancee here in the States would know about you. It's not a test of her English skills (although I'm sure that plays into it slightly) but the language spoken to the C/O, and ultimately to you, will play a part in establishing to the C/O that the two of you communicate effectively.

That's all the language issue comes down to.

Just prepare her, whether that be in Russian or in English, to know all the stuff about you that she will need to know. (There's a good list of questions in some of the "Visa approved" threads.)

[Satellite 1]

It's usually followed by a "spasiba for the green card... sucker!" (because now she's learned some English), and then a divorce. Not exactly a bonus for visa issuance.

I'm fascinated by just how many such stories there are. From my understanding of Russian women who do leave Russia (there is prior intent when they posted themselves on the international dating website), that a majority of marriages end like this. We don't have to look far as there have already been several cases in the Russian forum itself. A lot of members here haven't had their wives here long enough to know their fates, but I'm curious to see how things will play out in a few years down the line.