Why the Anti-Gun left prevents sensible Gun Control

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

We have spent hour after hour in the forum trying to explain to the anti-Gun crowd why banning assault looking weapons is a senseless waster of time and stops any sensible debate before it ever leaves the station. When all you do is call the NRA war monger Nazi's that want to see children die, and scream for the Ban of AR-15's , well you look like what you are, Ill informed, irrational, and devoid of any logic. When you ask why they want to ban AR-15's, all you get is, because of the way they look. What you really have is people that can not think for themselves, who have gorged on network fear mongering, and Democrat feel good do nothing legislation so long, they have ceased to think. When sensible rational people encounter this, as the opening monologue in a discussion on the gun violence problem in this country, they do what normal people do. They dismiss them as hysterical fanatics and the debate stops.

So the argument is Ban AR-15's and stop the Mass shootings. Out of curiosity I took every mass shooting with over 10 victims in this country-

Out of the Top 5 only one used an AR-15

We have

Out of 14 shootings

11 used Handguns at least in part of these 6 used Glocks

6 Used a shotgun at least in Part

4 Used an AR-15 and only used an AR-15 exclusively

1-Used a hammer

Va Tech- 32 killed- Glocks Pistols
Sandy Hook- 28 killed AR-15 and hand guns (glock)
Killeen Texas-23 Killed—Glock and Ruger
San Ysidro- 21 Killed -UZI and Shotgun
U of Texas Clock Tower-16 killed- Rem 700 rifle, Shotgun, Carbine
Edmond Okl- 18 killed – 3 hand guns
FT. Hood – 14 killed- FN-57 hand gun
Binghamton, New York,- 13 killed 9mm Beretta, 45
Columbine- 13 killed- Shotgun,Carbine,Tech-9, Knives, Bombs
Wilkes-Barre-13 Killed- AR 15
Navy Ship Yard- 12 Killed - handguns,Shotguns
Aurora Co-12 Killed - AR-15, Shotgun, Glocks (note started with shotgun, then used AR-then used Glocks when it jammed)
Atlanta-12 killed- Hammer, Glock, Colt 45
Kingston, Al- 10 killed- Shotgun, Arson, .38 pistol,Ar-15

Edited June 11, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[Darnell 8,478]

Good For You, Nature Boy! Keep up the good fight !!!

personally - I'd rather spend my time at the shooting range where these types of convos/arguments/debates not occur.

Sure - it costs money - but so what?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Who gives a damn about AR-15s? Universal background checks are not happening because the NRA and by extension their wholly owned subsidiary in Congress - that would largely be the Republican delegation - won't even allow it to come up for a vote. That is where the debate always stops - when anyone suggests that background checks ought to be mandated for every transfer of firearms. The next thing you hear is "they're coming for our guns" from the paranoid NRA disciples.

[Pooky 3,782]

Out of 14 shootings

11 used Handguns at least in part of these 6 used Glocks

6 Used a shotgun at least in Part

4 Used an AR-15 and only used an AR-15 exclusively

1-Used a hammer

How many of the shootings were carried out with legally owned an registered firearms?

[Peikko 1,575]

What anti-gun crowd would that be? The problem is that you hear a different argument than is being put forward by the different voices who, above all, want to see less gun violence. This includes the accidentally shootings as much as the suicides and other deliberate shootings. There may be some who would like to see a limit to the fire power of and magazine sizes of various firearms, but that does not mean that it is the be all and end all of any suggestion that guns should be less visible in modern societies.

[Darnell 8,478]

What anti-gun crowd would that be? [snip]

Madame Cleo - you gots me to thinking.

I swear he was writing about a demographic of CEHST posters here.

[Peikko 1,575]

I do not remember one poster who has actually put forward the idea that guns should be banned or that civilians shouldn't have the ability to own firearms in any circumstances. As that is what I understand by anti-gun crowd, perhaps I have misunderstood? What in fact constitutes an 'anti-gun' crowder?

Edited June 11, 2014 by The Truth™

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I do not remember one poster who has actually put forward the idea that guns should be banned or that civilians shouldn't have the ability to own firearms in any circumstances. As that is what I understand by anti-gun crowd, perhaps I have misunderstood? What in fact constitutes an 'anti-gun' crowder?

Here's the issue:

Whenever someone asks this question, why do you feel the need to own an AR-15, this is where the fear starts. I know this because Teddy was the last person to ask and it started a storm of comments. Gun advocates feel that the 2nd Amendment means they can own whatever they want in terms of firearms because there's nothing detailing a limit to what type of gun you can have within the Constitution.

For NB, if you want to have a sensible talk about gun control, maybe use better language than Anti-Gun left or right. You might get somewhere.

Also, here's a better question. Why are the family members of victims of gun violence never asking for more guns? It's always the folks who don't suffer stockpiling weapons, never the people whose lives have been devastated by some lunatic or a criminal wielding a gun. And when they ask for more gun control, some insensitive jerk has to remind them about the 2nd Amendment and frame their comments around the person's slain family members. Because that's just the right thing to do...

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

How many of the shootings were carried out with legally owned an registered firearms?

Not sure, I would guess less than half

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Here's the issue:

Whenever someone asks this question, why do you feel the need to own an AR-15, this is where the fear starts. I know this because Teddy was the last person to ask and it started a storm of comments. Gun advocates feel that the 2nd Amendment means they can own whatever they want in terms of firearms because there's nothing detailing a limit to what type of gun you can have within the Constitution.

For NB, if you want to have a sensible talk about gun control, maybe use better language than Anti-Gun left or right. You might get somewhere.

Also, here's a better question. Why are the family members of victims of gun violence never asking for more guns? It's always the folks who don't suffer stockpiling weapons, never the people whose lives have been devastated by some lunatic or a criminal wielding a gun. And when they ask for more gun control, some insensitive jerk has to remind them about the 2nd Amendment and frame their comments around the person's slain family members. Because that's just the right thing to do...

Well to be fair.. Have you ever heard of the anti-gun right. There are some. I think the postmaster was very anti-gun, but slightly right. I don't think it is unfair to say banning AR-15's is a darling issue of the left, as Pro-life and prayer in school are darlings issues of the right. I think it is very fair to say the Anti-gun left. Is every anti-gun person a liberal democrat. NO., but the majority to be sure

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Here's the issue:

Whenever someone asks this question, why do you feel the need to own an AR-15, this is where the fear starts. I know this because Teddy was the last person to ask and it started a storm of comments. Gun advocates feel that the 2nd Amendment means they can own whatever they want in terms of firearms because there's nothing detailing a limit to what type of gun you can have within the Constitution.

For NB, if you want to have a sensible talk about gun control, maybe use better language than Anti-Gun left or right. You might get somewhere.

Also, here's a better question. Why are the family members of victims of gun violence never asking for more guns? It's always the folks who don't suffer stockpiling weapons, never the people whose lives have been devastated by some lunatic or a criminal wielding a gun. And when they ask for more gun control, some insensitive jerk has to remind them about the 2nd Amendment and frame their comments around the person's slain family members. Because that's just the right thing to do...

So tell me. Ar-15's are used in less gun crime than almost any other kind of gun in the US, The most popular weapons in mass killing are handguns and shotguns. So rather than ask why want one, the O{P was why anyone would want to ban them. Maybe you can tell me a logical reason a weapon that is almost zero percent of the gun violence problem in this country, is the weapon everyone wants to ban. It's like wanting to stop dog attacks and wanting to ban poodles.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Madame Cleo - you gots me to thinking.

I swear he was writing about a demographic of CEHST posters here.

Darnell I don't know why describing issues generally associated with a demographic of political belif should strike anyone as odd. If I said the Anti-government right, it would be a very accurate description.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So tell me. Ar-15's are used in less gun crime than almost any other kind of gun in the US, The most popular weapons in mass killing are handguns and shotguns. So rather than ask why want one, the O{P was why anyone would want to ban them. Maybe you can tell me a logical reason a weapon that is almost zero percent of the gun violence problem in this country, is the weapon everyone wants to ban. It's like wanting to stop dog attacks and wanting to ban poodles.

I don't think banning the AR-15 would do any good. A handgun or a shotgun can get the job done. But there's been quite a few shootings that use Assault type weapons

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/assault-weapons-high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings-feinstein

• 42 guns with high-capacity magazines, across 31 mass-shooting cases
• 20 assault weapons, across 14 mass-shooting cases
• 33 cases involving assault weapons or high-capacity magazines (or both)

So we've established that guns kill people, let's move on

Well to be fair.. Have you ever heard of the anti-gun right. There are some. I think the postmaster was very anti-gun, but slightly right. I don't think it is unfair to say banning AR-15's is a darling issue of the left, as Pro-life and prayer in school are darlings issues of the right. I think it is very fair to say the Anti-gun left. Is every anti-gun person a liberal democrat. NO., but the majority to be sure

Postmaster was a true GOP member. He used to say so himself. Most folks on the right here, he didn't view them as Republicans. I guess it depends on who's doing the talking.

[Peikko 1,575]

Here's the issue:

Whenever someone asks this question, why do you feel the need to own an AR-15, this is where the fear starts. I know this because Teddy was the last person to ask and it started a storm of comments. Gun advocates feel that the 2nd Amendment means they can own whatever they want in terms of firearms because there's nothing detailing a limit to what type of gun you can have within the Constitution.

For NB, if you want to have a sensible talk about gun control, maybe use better language than Anti-Gun left or right. You might get somewhere.

Also, here's a better question. Why are the family members of victims of gun violence never asking for more guns? It's always the folks who don't suffer stockpiling weapons, never the people whose lives have been devastated by some lunatic or a criminal wielding a gun. And when they ask for more gun control, some insensitive jerk has to remind them about the 2nd Amendment and frame their comments around the person's slain family members. Because that's just the right thing to do...

What shocks me most is the lack of respect for life amongst some gun owners. The argument that the criminal has no respect for it so why should the legal gun owner highlights exactly my problem with the attitude that if you own a gun legally you can determine who lives or dies if you feel threatened in any way. That's the antithesis of the principals of the legal system in the US. I am totally against the idea of have a go citizens intervening. UNLESS there is a clear and unambiguous immediate threat, the right thing to do is stay the out the way of armed criminals.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Postmaster was a true GOP member. He used to say so himself. Most folks on the right here, he didn't view them as Republicans. I guess it depends on who's doing the talking.

SO tell my why we should ban AR-15's of all mass killings of more than 10 people they have been used less than Shotguns and pistols