Police: Suspected high school shooter dead

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Its worse than its ever been!! Well... Not really..

Anyone care to see it broken down by race?

By all means, go ahead, if it makes you feel better.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

However it is far easier - and requires less time off the couch watching TV - to do nothing, pretend there isn't an issue involving guns in our country and regurgitate the mantra that more guns can only make us safer, because face it, gun violence only really matters when it involves your kids. So long as someone else is shooting somebody else's kids, why should we even bother?

I re-read this thread. I dunno. You tell me which side is regurgitating stale material yet once again..

Okay, let's see.

Reinstate assault weapons ban or whatever it was that was allowed to lapse recently.

Further oversight on all gun purchases, background checks, databases of ammo, guns, everything. Keep track of suspicious buying patterns. For instance the theater shooter had bought a crazy amount of ammo online in the week before his shooting.

Close the gun show loophole.

Stop the NRA from buying politicians and lobbying.

Good gun owners should fight against the efforts by the NRA and gun manufacturers to advertise guns as cool and manly, instead invoking something else, maybe respect for weapons and life.

Mental health professionals should accompany police on welfare checks, which could have prevented Santa Barbara.

People need to take responsibility and not give their crazy kids shooting lessons, like Nancy Lanza.

Parents of crazy people should be able to get mental health help for their kids. A woman wrote an article after Sandy Hook and said that she wanted help but the only place to go was the ER and get her son on temporary lockdown which would last a day or so, then he was out.

More mental health professionals in high schools and colleges.

Media should not cover these stories at all, to prevent copycats and people wanting glory.

Lots of other mental health related stuff.

For a start.

With the exception of this lovely post of course... Can't disagree with any of that.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Okay, let's see.

Reinstate assault weapons ban or whatever it was that was allowed to lapse recently.

Further oversight on all gun purchases, background checks, databases of ammo, guns, everything. Keep track of suspicious buying patterns. For instance the theater shooter had bought a crazy amount of ammo online in the week before his shooting.

Close the gun show loophole.

Stop the NRA from buying politicians and lobbying.

Good gun owners should fight against the efforts by the NRA and gun manufacturers to advertise guns as cool and manly, instead invoking something else, maybe respect for weapons and life.

Mental health professionals should accompany police on welfare checks, which could have prevented Santa Barbara.

People need to take responsibility and not give their crazy kids shooting lessons, like Nancy Lanza.

Parents of crazy people should be able to get mental health help for their kids. A woman wrote an article after Sandy Hook and said that she wanted help but the only place to go was the ER and get her son on temporary lockdown which would last a day or so, then he was out.

More mental health professionals in high schools and colleges.

Media should not cover these stories at all, to prevent copycats and people wanting glory.

Lots of other mental health related stuff.

For a start.

Reinstate something or whatever it was would not accomplish #######, those weapons are used in such a small percentage of shootings it's less than 1%. It's amazing you want to ban something and you admit you don't even know what it is ?

The so called Gun Show loophole. Have you ever been to a Gun show. Only Private sellers there don't have to do background checks. A very small percentage, although I agree with you on this one

Stop an organisation in a free country from Lobbying. Really .? I mean serious .. Ok I will agree to shut down the NRA Lobby if you agree to shut down the Union and ACLU lobby.

As for the rest on Personal responsibility I agree.

Edited June 10, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

When I was a child it was not uncommon for kids to bring guns to school for show and tell and many kids hunted and had rifles and shotguns in their vehicles. Almost every kids carried a pocket knife at school, and oddly we never had one incident.

Logic would dictate something has changed and it's not the guns,,, so let's figure out what has changed and fix it .

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Its worse than its ever been!! Well... Not really..

Anyone care to see it broken down by race?

No need. There were 12 mass shootings in the US between 2000 and 2010. We've had 13 already since 2010. So there have been more of those over the last 4 years than in the whole decade prior. We can certainly post graphs that show a decline in overall homicide deaths until 2010 but we'd miss the fact that the frequency of mass shootings has increased significantly since.

Oh, and just to preempt that: Naturally, this is Obama's fault.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

No need. There were 12 mass shootings in the US between 2000 and 2010. We've had 13 already since 2010. So there have been more of those over the last 4 years than in the whole decade prior. We can certainly post graphs that show a decline in overall homicide deaths until 2010 but we'd miss the fact that the frequency of mass shootings has increased significantly since.

Oh, and just to preempt that: Naturally, this is Obama's fault.

But the Gun Homicide rate is almost half of the 93 level, but more guns

I think you have to stop publicizing this things. Now how you do that in a free country I have no clue

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

When I was a child it was not uncommon for kids to bring guns to school for show and tell and many kids hunted and had rifles and shotguns in their vehicles. Almost every kids carried a pocket knife at school, and oddly we never had one incident.

Logic would dictate something has changed and it's not the guns,,, so let's figure out what has changed and fix it .

Nope, no school shootings in the good ole' days. Except these 93 incidents that occurred during the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's - roughly two school shootings a month year.

Nope, nothing to see or report here. Let's move along.

1950s

• April 25, 1950: Peru, Nebraska, Dr. William Nicholas, 48, president of Peru State College and Dr. Paul Maxwell, 56, education department head, were shot to death at their desks by Dr. Barney Baker, 54-year-old psychology professor. Baker was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot at his home on campus.^[144]
• July 22, 1950: New York City, A 16-year-old boy was shot in the wrist and abdomen at the Public School 141 dance during an argument with a former classmate.^[145]
• January 24, 1951: Alton, Illinois, Henry Suhre, 61, quartermaster at Western Military Academy was shot to death in the cadet store on campus.^[146]
• March 12, 1951: Union Mills, North Carolina, Professor W. E. Sweatt, superintendent and teacher at the Alexander School, was shot to death by students Billy Ray Powell, 16, and Hugh Justice, 19. The assailants had been reprimanded by Sweatt, and they waited for him as he locked his office door.^[147]
• June 4, 1951: New York City, Carl Arch, a 50-year-old intruder to a girl's gym class was shot and killed by a police officer at Manhattan's Central Commercial High School.^[148]
• November 27, 1951: New York City, David Brooks, a 15-year-old student, was fatally shot as fellow pupils looked on in a grade school.^[149]
• April 9, 1952: New York City, A 15-year-old boarding school student shot a dean rather than relinquish pin-up pictures of girls in bathing suits.^[150]
• July 14, 1952: New York City, Bayard Peakes walked into the offices of the American Physical Society (APS) at Columbia University and shot and killed secretary Eileen Fahey with a .22 caliber pistol. Peakes was reportedly upset that the APS had rejected a pamphlet he had written.^[151]
• September 3, 1952: Lawrenceville, Illinois, After Georgine Lyon, 25, ended her engagement with Charles Petrach, Petrach shot and killed Lyon in a classroom at Lawrenceville High School where she worked as a librarian.^[152]
• November 20, 1952: New York City, Rear Admiral E. E. Herrmann, 56, superintendent of the Naval Postgraduate School, was found dead in his office with a bullet in his head. A service revolver was found by his side.^[153]
• October 2, 1953: Chicago, Illinois, Patrick Colletta, 14, was shot to death by Bernice Turner,14, in a classroom of Kelly High School. It was reported that after Turner refused to date Colletta he handed her the gun and dared her to pull the trigger, telling her that the gun was “only a toy.” A coroner’s jury later ruled that the shooting was an accident.^[154]
• October 8, 1953: New York City, Larry Licitra, 17-year-old student at the Machine and Metal Trades High School, was shot and slightly wounded in the right shoulder in the lobby of the school while inspecting a handmade pistol owned by one of several students.^[155]
• March 31, 1954: Newton, Massachusetts, John Frankenberger, 14, was accidentally shot to death in a classroom at Day Junior High School when a pistol being held by a classmate discharged.^[156]
• May 15, 1954: Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their fraternity bedroom. The incident took place after an all-night beer party. Mr. Long reported to the police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7 a.m., Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he had obtained from the car of a former roommate.^[157]
• January 11, 1955: Swarthmore, Pennsylvania, After some of his dormmates urinated on his mattress, Bob Bechtel, a 20-year-old student at Swarthmore College, returned to his dorm with a shotgun and used it to shoot and kill fellow student Holmes Strozier.^[158]
• May 4, 1956: Prince George's County, Maryland, 15-year-old student Billy Prevatte fatally shot one teacher and injured two others at Maryland Park Junior High School after he had been reprimanded from the school.^[159]
• October 20, 1956: New York City, A Booker T. Washington Junior High School student was wounded in the forearm by another student armed with a home-made weapon.^[160]
• October 2, 1957: New York City, A 16-year-old student was shot in the leg by a 15-year-old classmate at a city high school.^[161]
• March 4, 1958: New York City, A 17-year-old student shot a boy in the Manual Training High School.^[162]
• May 1, 1958: Massapequa, New York, A 15-year-old high Massapequa High School freshman was shot and killed by a classmate in a washroom.^[163]
• September 24, 1959: New York City, Twenty-seven men and boys and an arsenal were seized in the Bronx as the police headed off a gang war resulting from the fatal shooting of a teenager at Morris High School.^[164]

1960s

• February 2, 1960: Hartford City, Indiana, Principal Leonard Redden shot and killed two teachers with a shotgun at William Reed Elementary School before fleeing into a remote forest, where he committed suicide.^[165]
• March 30, 1960: Alice, Texas, Donna Dvorak, 14, brought a .22 target pistol to Dubose Junior High School, and fatally shot Bobby Whitford, 15, in their 9th grade science class. Dvorak believed Whitford posed a threat to one of her girlfriends.^[166]
• June 7, 1960: Blaine, Minnesota, Lester Betts, a 40-year-old mail-carrier, confronted principal Carson Hammond, 33, in his Blaine Elementary School office and shot him to death with a 12-gauge shotgun.^[167][168]
• January 4, 1961: Delmont, South Dakota, Donald Kurtz, 17-year-old senior at Delmont High School, was fatally wounded by a .22 caliber bullet from a rifle. The shot, intended as a sound effect for a school play, hit him in the chest during a rehearsal just minutes before the play was to take place.^[169]
• October 17, 1961: Denver, Colorado, Tennyson Beard, 14, got into an argument with William Hachmeister, 15, at Morey Junior High School. During the argument Beard pulled out a .38 caliber revolver and shot at Hachmeister, wounding him. A stray bullet also struck Deborah Faith Humphrey, 14, who died from her gunshot wound.^[170]
• April 27, 1966: Bay Shore, New York, Teacher John S. Lane, 48, was shot and fatally wounded when he tried to stop 16-year-old student James Arthur Frampton, who was walking through the halls of Bay Shore Senior High School with a shotgun, searching for some boys with whom he had an argument earlier that day. Lane died of his wounds on June 13, 1966.^{[171][172][173]}
• August 1, 1966: Charles Whitman, aged 25, climbed atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, and killed 17 people and wounded 31 during a 96-minute shooting rampage in the University of Texas massacre.^[174]
• October 5, 1966: Grand Rapids, Minnesota, Grand Rapids High School student David Black, 15, killed school administrator Forrest Willey and seriously wounded fellow student Kevin Roth, 14.^[175][176]
• November 12, 1966: Mesa, Arizona, Bob Smith, 18, took seven people hostage at Rose-Mar College of Beauty. Smith ordered the hostages to lie down on the floor in a circle. He then proceeded to shoot them in the head with a 22 caliber pistol. Four women and a three-year-old girl died, one woman and a baby were injured but survived. Police arrested Smith after the massacre. Smith had reportedly admired Richard Speck and Charles Whitman.^[177]
• January 24, 1968: High Point, North Carolina, David Walker, 15, was shot to death just outside Central High School by Gerald Locklear, 15.
• January 30, 1968: Miami, Florida, 16-year-old Blanche Ward shot and killed fellow student Linda Lipscomb, 16, with a .22 caliber pistol at Miami Jackson High School. According to Ward, she was threatened with a razor by Lipscomb during an argument over a fountain pen, and in the ensuing struggle the gun went off.^[178]
• February 8, 1968: Orangeburg, South Carolina, In the days leading up to February 8, 1968, about 200 mostly student protesters gathered on the campus of South Carolina State University, located in the city of Orangeburg, to protest the segregation of the All Star Bowling Lane. The bowling alley was owned by the late Harry K. Floyd. That night, students started a bonfire. As police attempted to put out the fire, an officer was injured by a thrown piece of banister. The police said they believed they were under attack by small weapons fire. The officers fired into the crowd, killing three young men: Samuel Hammond, Delano Middleton, and Henry Smith, and wounding twenty-seven others.^[179]
• May 22, 1968: Miami, Florida, Ernest Lee Grissom, a 15-year-old student at Drew Junior High School, shot and seriously wounded a teacher and a 13-year-old student after he had been reprimanded for causing a disturbance.^[180]
• January 17, 1969: Los Angeles, California, Two student members of the Black Panther Party, Alprentice Carter and John Huggins, were fatally shot during a student meeting inside Campbell Hall at the University of California, Los Angeles. The motive of the shooting regarded who would own the school's African American Studies Center. The shooter, Claude Hubert, was never to be found but three other men were arrested in connection with the shooting.^[181]
• January 23, 1969: Washington, DC, Cardozo Senior High School assistant principal Herman Clifford, 45, was shot to death in the school's hallway by Ronald Joyner, 18, while scuffling with three youths who robbed the school's bank.^[182]
• May 13, 1969: Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Ernest Napoleon Carter Jr., 13, was accidentally shot and killed at Hanes Junior High School by a 13-year-old classmate, who was armed with a .32-caliber pistol. The 13-year-old shooter was charged with involuntary manslaughter. Carter's mother filed a lawsuit against the Winston-Salem/Forsyth County Board of Education for $50,000 in damages.^[183][184]
• November 19, 1969: Tomah, Wisconsin, 46-year-old Martin Mogensen, Principal of Tomah Junior High School, was shot to death in his office by a 14-year-old boy armed with a 20-gauge shotgun.^[185]

1970s

The mids- to late-1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history.^{[citation needed]}

• January 5, 1970: Washington, DC, Tyrone Perry, 15, was shot to death at Hine Junior High School.^[186]
• May 4, 1970: Kent, Ohio, During protests of the Vietnam War on the college Campus of Kent State University, Armed National Guard Soldiers opened fire on unarmed students killing four people.^[187]
• May 15, 1970 Jackson Mississippi Jackson state school shotting One student was killed and twelve others injured when police open fired on students gathered to protest the military presence in Cambodia

^[188]* February 2, 1971: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Teacher Samson L. Freedman, 56, was shot to death as he left Morris E. Leeds School, by Kevin Simmons, 14. Freedman had suspended Simmons earlier in the day for cursing in the hallway.^[189]

• November 8, 1971: Grove, Oklahoma, School custodian, Jim "James" Underwood brought a .22 caliber revolver to school hidden in a brown paper bag. School principal, T. J. Melton, 49, was shot in the left shoulder, left ear and in the top of his head, according to published reports. He died around 9 a.m. and Underwood was charged the next day with first-degree murder.^[190]
• November 11, 1971: Spokane, Washington, Former MIT student Larry J. Harmon, 21, entered St. Aloysius Roman Catholic Church on the Gonzaga University campus armed with a .22 caliber rifle. Harmon killed the caretaker, 68-year-old Hilary Kunz, and upon emerging from the church, wounded four more people before police officers shot and killed him. Harmon was described by his father as a religious fanatic who believed that he had seen the devil and that Christ was an imposter.^[191]
• January 5, 1972: Washington, DC, Fifth-grade teacher Margaret Brooks, 57, was shot to death in front of her students by her estranged husband James A. Brooks.^[192]
• February 26, 1973: Richmond, Virginia, Wayne Phillips, 17, was shot to death when he was caught between two youths who were fighting in the hallway of Armstrong High School.^[193]
• October 1, 1973: Elmwood Park, Illinois, Elmwood Park Community High School student Cynthia Schulze was shot and killed in the hallway between classes by student William Rossi, with whom she was probably not acquainted. Rossi then ran out of the school and shot himself to death in an alley nearby.^[194]
• January 17, 1974: Chicago, Illinois, Elementary school principal Rudolph Jezek, Jr., 52, was shot to death in his office by Steven Guy, 14, a former student said to be angry at being transferred from the school to a social adjustment center.^[195]
• March 22, 1974: Brownstown, Indiana, Jessie Blevins, 48, athletic director at Brownstown Central High School, was shot to death in the school parking lot by a 17-year-old student.^[196]
• December 30, 1974: Olean, New York, Regents scholar Anthony Barbaro, 17, armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several "battle plans" for his attack on the school.^[197][198]
• February 18, 1975: Marist College, Poughkeepsie, New York, Marist College student Shelley Lynn Sperling was shot and killed by a scorned suitor, Louis o. Acevedo, in the Marist College cafeteria.^[199]
• September 11, 1975: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, U.S. Grant High School student Randy Truitt was shot and killed by James Briggs at the school, leaving several others injured.^[200]
• February 12, 1976: Detroit, Michigan, Intruders shot five Murray-Wright High School students after an apparent dispute over one of the intruders girlfriends.^[201]
• June 12, 1976: California State University, Custodian Edward Charles Allaway, 37, opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle in the library on the California State University, Fullerton campus killing 7, and wounding 2.^{[citation needed]}
• November 10, 1976: Detroit, Michigan, Second grade teacher Bettye McCaster, 45, was shot to death in front of her 29 students at Burt Elementary School, by her estranged husband, Al Lewis.^[202]
• April 7, 1977: Whitharral, Texas, High School principal M. O. Tripp was shot to death on the front steps of the school by Ricardo Lopez, 17.^[203]
• February 9, 1978: St. Albans, West Virginia, A 15-year-old student was shot and killed by another student at Hayes Junior High School.^{[citation needed]}
• February 22, 1978: Lansing, Michigan, After being taunted for his beliefs, a 15-year-old self-proclaimed Nazi, killed one student and wounded a second with a Luger pistol at Everett High School.^[198]
• April 26, 1978: Dallas, Texas, Woodrow Porter, 38, who was a janitor at Paul Dunbar Elementary School, was shot to death by the 56-year-old grandmother of an 8-year-old that was allegedly spanked by Porter earlier.^[204]
• May 18, 1978: Austin, Texas, John Daniel Christian, 13, son of Lyndon B. Johnson's former press secretary George Christian, shot to death his English teacher, Wilbur Grayson, 29, with his father's .22 caliber rifle in front of approximately 30 classmates. John Christian was arrested and charged but was not prosecuted. He spent two years in a mental hospital. He is now a practicing attorney in Austin, Texas.^[205]
• January 29, 1979: San Diego, California, Brenda Spencer opened fire on Grover Cleveland Elementary School from the window of her home across the street, killing two adults and wounding nine others, eight of whom were children.^[206] The shootings inspired the song I Don't Like Mondays.
• June 1, 1979: St. Paul Minnesota, At the Adams School, fourth grade student Willie Miller was accidentally shot while handling a small pistol. He did not tell anyone, and it was not discovered that he was shot until he felt faint and asked the teacher to be excused.^[207]

1980s

• January 7, 1980: Stamps, Arkansas, Evan Hampton, 16, high school freshman student at Stamps High School walked into a classroom and quietly waited for 19-year-old Mike Sanders to enter the classroom and walk to his desk. Hampton pulled a .22 caliber revolver and shot Sanders twice in the chest and once in the temple, killing him instantly. Hampton walked quietly down the hallway and handed the gun to the school principal and then waited quietly in the principal's office until his arrest.^[208]
• March 20, 1980: Dallas, Texas, Rosie Pearson, 49, fifth grade teacher, was shot to death in the hallway of J. Leslie Patton School, by an unknown assailant.^[209]
• March 26, 1980: Big Rapids, Michigan, Robert Brauer, Business Professor, was shot by student Thomas Kakonis, 20, at Ferris State College. Robert Brauer had failed Kakonis on an examination. Kakonis was the son of an associate dean at the college.^[210]
• March 19, 1982: Las Vegas, Nevada, 17-year-old Valley High School student Patrick Lizotte shot and killed his teacher Clarence Pigott and wounded two students.^[211]
• April 7, 1982: Littleton, Colorado, Deer Creek Jr. High School student Jason Rocha, 14, shot and killed Scott Darwin Michael, 13.^[212]
• November 12, 1982: Jackson, Mississippi, Faye Williams, 17, was shot to death in her algebra classroom at Wingfield High School by her ex-boyfriend, James Hartzog, 18. Hartzog then killed himself.^[213]
• January 20, 1983: St. Louis County, Missouri, Eighth grade Parkway South Middle School student David F. Lawler entered a study hall classroom and opened fire, killing Randall Koger, 15, and injuring Greg Saffo, 15. Lawler then committed suicide.
• April 20, 1984: Detroit, Michigan, Kelly Crittendon, 13, was accidentally shot to death in a classroom at the Precious Blood School by two classmates.^[214]
• May 17, 1984: Altoona, Iowa, While students in a French class at Southeast Polk High School were taking a test in the hallway, a 17-year-old male student shot and killed a 16-year-old female student before killing himself.^[215][216]
• January 18, 1985: Arlington, Texas, While students were in a drama classroom at around 1pm, Friday, James Austin Stailey, 17, a drama student with a flair for jokes shot himself as fellow students looked on in horror.^[217]
• January 21, 1985: Goddard, Kansas, James Alan Kearbey, 14, armed with a M1-A semiautomatic rifle and a .357-caliber handgun, killed principal James McGee and wounded two teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.^[218]
• September 4, 1985: Richmond, Virginia, A 12-year-old East End Middle School boy shot a girl with his mother's gun.^[219][220]
• October 18, 1985: Detroit, Michigan, During halftime of the homecoming football game between Northwestern High School and Murray-Wright High School, a boy who was in a fight earlier that day pulled out a shotgun and opened fire, injuring six students.^[221][222]
• November 26, 1985: Spanaway, Washington, A 14-year-old girl shot two boys fatally, then killed herself with a .22 caliber rifle at Spanaway Junior High School.^{[223][224][225]}
• December 3, 1985: Concord, New Hampshire - At Concord High School, Louis "Louie" Cartier, a 16-year-old male dropout walked into the school with a shotgun and took two students hostage. The situation ended with responding police officers fatally shooting him when he "...aimed the shotgun at a teacher who was trying to talk him into surrendering."^{[226][227][228]} (The following month, this same high school lost its teacher Christa McAuliffe in the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster.)
• December 10, 1985: Portland, Connecticut At Portland Junior High School, a 13-year-old male student pulled out a 9mm firearm and opened fire, injuring the school secretary and killing a custodian.^[229]
• February 24, 1986: Slidell, Louisiana, 13-year-old gifted Boyet Junior High School student Matt Cooper shot himself in class with a .45-caliber pistol.^[230][231]
• May 16, 1986: Cokeville Elementary School hostage crisis, In a ransom scheme, David and Doris Young took 150 students and teachers hostage. Their demand for $300 million dollars came to an abrupt end when Doris accidentally set off a bomb, killing herself and injuring 78 students and teachers. David wounded John Miller, a teacher who was trying to flee, then killed himself.
• September 18, 1986: Benicia, California, Former Benicia High School student Leonard Paul Rubio fatally shot his ex-girlfriend Heather Dunn, 15, near the school's gymnasium.^[232]
• December 5, 1986: Lewistown, Montana, A 14-year-old Fergus High School student shot and killed a substitute teacher and wounded a vice principal and two classmates.
• March 2, 1987: De Kalb, Missouri Honors student Nathan Ferris, 12, killed a classmate and then himself.^[233]
• April 16, 1987: Detroit, Michigan, A ninth-grade Murray Wright High School student killed Chester Jackson, 17, and wounded Damon Matthews, 17, and Tomeka Turner, 18.^[234][235]
• September 28, 1987: Lansing, Illinois, After being kicked off the soccer team for smoking on school grounds, Illiana Christian High School student Blake Docter, 16, shot and wounded John Hoogewerf, the teacher who had caught him smoking.^[236]
• December 16, 1987: Katy, Texas, Mayde Creek High School student Ramesh D. Tumalad, 15, shot himself to death in his Algebra class as his classmates looked on.^[237]
• February 11, 1988: Largo, Florida, Jason Harless, 16, shot and killed one assistant principal and wounded two others, at Pinellas Park High School.
• May 20, 1988: Winnetka, Illinois, Laurie Dann, 30, shot and killed one elementary school student and wounded five others, then took a family hostage and shot a man before killing herself.
• September 26, 1988: Greenwood, South Carolina, James William Wilson Jr., 19, entered Oakland Elementary School and opened fire, killing two 8-year-old girls and wounding 6 other students and 2 teachers.
• November 22, 1988: Abilene, Texas, Mason Staggs, 16, shot Cooper High School teacher Rick Maloney in the face with a .22-caliber derringer between classes, severely injuring the teacher. Staggs then left the school and went fishing.^[238]
• December 16, 1988: Virginia Beach, Virginia, Nicholas Elliott, 15, opened fire with a SWD Cobray M-11 semiautomatic pistol at Atlantic Shores Christian School, killing teacher Karen Farley and wounding another.
• January 17, 1989: Stockton, California, Cleveland School massacre Patrick Edward Purdy, 24, killing five children and wounding 32 others including students and a teacher. Purdy then killed himself.^{[239][240][241]}
• February 10, 1989: Kearns, Utah, A 12-year-old boy fired a .22-caliber handgun at Vice Principal William Crumbaugh at Thomas Jefferson Junior High School. No one was injured.^[242]

Edited June 10, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But the Gun Homicide rate is almost half of the 93 level, but more guns

I think you have to stop publicizing this things. Now how you do that in a free country I have no clue

Guns have been and continue to be the weapon of choice in homicides. More than two out of three homicides are committed with guns. That was true then and it is true now.

And there are undeniably more mass shootings going on these days. Just as there are ever more guns on the streets. But let's just pretend it isn't so despite the evidence to the contrary.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Guns have been and continue to be the weapon of choice in homicides. More than two out of three homicides are committed with guns. That was true then and it is true now.

And there are undeniably more mass shootings going on these days. Just as there are ever more guns on the streets. But let's just pretend it isn't so despite the evidence to the contrary.

The fact that the gun homicide rate has dropped in half since the 90's while there are more guns than ever is a fact.

Nope, no school shootings in the good ole' days. Except these 93 incidents that occurred during the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's - roughly two school shootings a month.

Nope, nothing to see or report here. Let's move along.

You mean 2 a year... Your Math is as bad as your logic Yup 93 incidents in 40 years = 2 per month

You are right nothing to see here move along

Edited June 10, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Reinstate something or whatever it was would not accomplish #######, those weapons are used in such a small percentage of shootings it's less than 1%. It's amazing you want to ban something and you admit you don't even know what it is ?

The so called Gun Show loophole. Have you ever been to a Gun show. Only Private sellers there don't have to do background checks. A very small percentage, although I agree with you on this one

Stop an organisation in a free country from Lobbying. Really .? I mean serious .. Ok I will agree to shut down the NRA Lobby if you agree to shut down the Union and ACLU lobby.

As for the rest on Personal responsibility I agree.

You said you were ready, I gave some ideas, and surprise surprise! You are only full of personal insults. Ready to make changes? Ha.

[Teddy B 17,252]

You said you were ready, I gave some ideas, and surprise surprise! You are only full of personal insults. Ready to make changes? Ha.

He meant that he was ready to mock your suggestions about making changes. Sadly enough, that's all you're gonna get from the gun aficionados.

[JohnR! 5,495]

You said you were ready, I gave some ideas, and surprise surprise! You are only full of personal insults. Ready to make changes? Ha.

As I said before: It really doesn't matter so long as it is happening to someone else.

[Teddy B 17,252]

As I said before: It really doesn't matter so long as it is happening to someone else.

I'm ready to make changes, but if those changes inconvenience me in any way, you've got another thing coming.

[Darnell 8,478]

I'm ready to make changes, but if those changes inconvenience me in any way, you've got another thing coming.

but what if the enticement to change was an unlimited supply of freshly baked pies - delivered twice a day to your doorstep? that's gotta sway yer thinking - in some way, shape, or fashion... yes? no?

on an unrelated note - wth? I missed National Donut Day?

[Teddy B 17,252]

but what if the enticement to change was an unlimited supply of freshly baked pies - delivered twice a day to your doorstep? that's gotta sway yer thinking - in some way, shape, or fashion... yes? no?

on an unrelated note - wth? I missed National Donut Day?

Two pies a day would most definitely sway my shape and my fashion. But pie is God's food, so gimmee all you got!

I believe Calypso made a very enticing donut post in the OT thread in honor of National Donut Day, were you absent?