High Fraud Country...

[MDSMIF 0]

I have read many stories about how Morocco is a high fraud country. One story I read even talked bad about VisaJourney.com and the women who go to Morocco to bring terrorist into the USA . What a beyotch. Anyway, is Morocco really a high fraud country? What does this really mean? People with tourist visas dont return? Others marrying just to leave? Do any of you know anyone who has had this situation (male or female)?

I know many people are interested in leaving there. Really, I want to know what fraud they are talking about. ALL Moroccans I know have came to America by legitimate ways. Has anyone here had bad experiences with dating someone from Morocco?

FYI: I am not a troll. I am still waiting for a visa for my fiancee (it is so close I can feel the NOA2 coming soon). My fiancee and I are doing very well. Dont read into this!!! Just very curious but not naive person wanting to know what they mean by this.

Thanks in advance for your response.

mdsmif

[jordanianprincess 0]

I have seen you on VJ many times so I'm sure you are not a troll. High fruad is referring to marriages for green cards. Although that is a legitimate way to come here the intentions of the beneficiary are questioned. I believe there is a large amount of internet relationships there.

[MDSMIF 0]

I have seen you on VJ many times so I'm sure you are not a troll. High fruad is referring to marriages for green cards. Although that is a legitimate way to come here the intentions of the beneficiary are questioned. I believe there is a large amount of internet relationships there.

I, also, have heard there are many internet relationships there. I have not heard of any progressing far enough that they make it to the interview process. You know I ask this because I asked Casa about DCF. They sent an email to me and stated they allow DCF, but only after you have lived there for 6 months. The reason they stated is because of "high fraud". The time period for waiting was much shorter I guess.

[jordanianprincess 0]

I have seen you on VJ many times so I'm sure you are not a troll. High fruad is referring to marriages for green cards. Although that is a legitimate way to come here the intentions of the beneficiary are questioned. I believe there is a large amount of internet relationships there.

I, also, have heard there are many internet relationships there. I have not heard of any progressing far enough that they make it to the interview process. You know I ask this because I asked Casa about DCF. They sent an email to me and stated they allow DCF, but only after you have lived there for 6 months. The reason they stated is because of "high fraud". The time period for waiting was much shorter I guess.

Well I am not sure what you mean when you say you have not heard of any progressing far enough. There are many women on VJ that have met their future husbands on the internet and have gotten married or engaged and are proceeding with the petitions. There are many that have already recieved the visa's and greencards, all of which met online in most cases.

I can also understand the residency requirement for the DCF, that is not uncommon.

[mybackpages 0]

I have seen you on VJ many times so I'm sure you are not a troll. High fruad is referring to marriages for green cards. Although that is a legitimate way to come here the intentions of the beneficiary are questioned. I believe there is a large amount of internet relationships there.

I, also, have heard there are many internet relationships there. I have not heard of any progressing far enough that they make it to the interview process. You know I ask this because I asked Casa about DCF. They sent an email to me and stated they allow DCF, but only after you have lived there for 6 months. The reason they stated is because of "high fraud". The time period for waiting was much shorter I guess.

There are many countries that are considered high fraud outside of North Africa and the Middle East also. Most of the relationships here on VJ (American-Moroccan) started as internet relationships. There are only a handful of us who met our fiance in Morocco or the fiance was out of Morocco on a visa of some sort.

High fraud countries usually have a less developed economy than the western democratic nations and citizens have a harder time getting visas to the US, thus some use the family visas as a way to move to the US. Sometimes these marriages are arrangments by organizations and sometimes just by families and involve payments of money. Other times the fraud is committed by the beneficiary without the knowledge of the USC and these are much more complicated and emotional breakups.

You do raise an intersting question though. I wonder how many incidents of fraud a consulate would see in a year compared to other consulates to qualify it as high fraud.

[Henia 11]

Um I think it refers to "many" online Casanovas you will find everywhere on the Net looking for women to "marry" to get their visas. I have heard Morrocco is one of these countries. The consulate there seems to be really tough too.

[MDSMIF 0]

I have seen you on VJ many times so I'm sure you are not a troll. High fruad is referring to marriages for green cards. Although that is a legitimate way to come here the intentions of the beneficiary are questioned. I believe there is a large amount of internet relationships there.

I, also, have heard there are many internet relationships there. I have not heard of any progressing far enough that they make it to the interview process. You know I ask this because I asked Casa about DCF. They sent an email to me and stated they allow DCF, but only after you have lived there for 6 months. The reason they stated is because of "high fraud". The time period for waiting was much shorter I guess.

Well I am not sure what you mean when you say you have not heard of any progressing far enough. There are many women on VJ that have met their future husbands on the internet and have gotten married or engaged and are proceeding with the petitions. There are many that have already recieved the visa's and greencards, all of which met online in most cases.

I can also understand the residency requirement for the DCF, that is not uncommon.

I'm sorry. I write incomplete sentences sometimes. When I say not progressing far enough I mean relationships that are not sincere do not often survive to interview stage.

[mybackpages 0]

Um I think it refers to "many" online Casanovas you will find everywhere on the Net looking for women to "marry" to get their visas. I have heard Morrocco is one of these countries. The consulate there seems to be really tough too.

You are right Henia- Casa is a tricky consulate and sometimes there is neither rhyme nor reason to what they do. BUT let's remember there are more successes out of Casa than denials...and many of the denials we hear about here end up being turned around with time. The denials are not just because there is fraud- sometimes its a poorly filed petition or interview, sometimes the consulate errs on the side of fraud and hurts a sincere couple. I think that is why this board is so important. The more we know about the process, the better we are prepared to resolve any potential problems before it happens,

[jordanianprincess 0]

I have seen you on VJ many times so I'm sure you are not a troll. High fruad is referring to marriages for green cards. Although that is a legitimate way to come here the intentions of the beneficiary are questioned. I believe there is a large amount of internet relationships there.

I, also, have heard there are many internet relationships there. I have not heard of any progressing far enough that they make it to the interview process. You know I ask this because I asked Casa about DCF. They sent an email to me and stated they allow DCF, but only after you have lived there for 6 months. The reason they stated is because of "high fraud". The time period for waiting was much shorter I guess.

Well I am not sure what you mean when you say you have not heard of any progressing far enough. There are many women on VJ that have met their future husbands on the internet and have gotten married or engaged and are proceeding with the petitions. There are many that have already recieved the visa's and greencards, all of which met online in most cases.

I can also understand the residency requirement for the DCF, that is not uncommon.

I'm sorry. I write incomplete sentences sometimes. When I say not progressing far enough I mean relationships that are not sincere do not often survive to interview stage.

I don't know how you came to this conclusion but I disagree. I think quite often they make it past the interview stage, the visa stage, and the green card stage.

[UmmSqueakster 54]

We have had on occasion people who have been duped by fraudulent visa seekers. It happens, sometimes to bright, intelligent women. Some realize it before the interview, while others don't realize it until their husband gets here and screws them over. It happens, and is something everyone should at least be aware of.

[MDSMIF 0]

I don't know how you came to this conclusion but I disagree. I think quite often they make it past the interview stage, the visa stage, and the green card stage.

I came to this conclusion because I know many people who are here from Morocco. The ones that married americans all "seem" to have sincere relationships. They all "seem" to stay together. Part of my original post states I know many Moroccans and I dont see any of the bad that the consulate in Casa states as visa fraud. Where do they get there evidence? Maybe it is just a closer look at applicants from poorer countries?

[jordanianprincess 0]

I don't know how you came to this conclusion but I disagree. I think quite often they make it past the interview stage, the visa stage, and the green card stage.

I came to this conclusion because I know many people who are here from Morocco. The ones that married americans all "seem" to have sincere relationships. They all "seem" to stay together. Part of my original post states I know many Moroccans and I dont see any of the bad that the consulate in Casa states as visa fraud. Where do they get there evidence? Maybe it is just a closer look at applicants from poorer countries?

Well I also know many couples that have sincere relationships but compared to the thousands of cases the embassies see every year, I don't think our personal experiances can really compare. I am sure they have their ways of compiling data and they do have a series of red flags they look for in many relationships and even with all those red flags, there are people that still make it. I am not saying that means all relationships are fraud but consulates everywhere closely examine internet relationships and/or those with red flags. One difference is the high security we have to go through being in MENA. I definitly think economic ties to the country is a red flag.

[MDSMIF 0]

Having a fiance(e) from ME/NA is hard. I understand you. I know our limited experience from people we know is not much, but this knowledge is all we have. Thanks for replying.

[maggieNomar 0]

Having a fiance(e) from ME/NA is hard. I understand you. I know our limited experience from people we know is not much, but this knowledge is all we have. Thanks for replying.

I am one such case you asked about MDSMIF. Read my story on my profile. One of the biggest things that I now see should have made me put a halt to the relationship was when I received various excuses for not being able to meet his family or even learn the language in order to talk to them on the phone. Thankfully I did not petition for him to come from Morocco. He was already here in the states.

While looking for someone to help me find my former husband in Morocco, I was offerd help by 5 guys in one week if I helped them or their brother/cousin with a green card!! My current fiance was the only one who asked for nothing in return. He made sure I met all of the family he had living locally (in Morocco) and I have contact with 3 of his friends and 2 brothers via email/phone/IM. It feels a lot better being able to converse with the family.

There's a lot of good relationships and some that go south. Just be careful, and don't be afraid to check things out, if you feel you need to.

[Private 1]

AS you get more in the process you begin to learn about the intentions of the SO. And you begin to hear about the stories of other people. I will tell that I have been contacted before for a visa marriage and at first they seem very nice but there intentions come out. I had a guy from Iran find me and I talked to him he was cute and nice but his intentions came out soon. I feel when the SO knows more about the process than you then something is not right. I was told that the K-1 was easier and quick to get and that some people that I know here in the states used it to get here quickly.

Well, if you think about it when one person comes it seems like a flow starts. I heard of an Indian guy who had helped about 150 people get to the states. He go some of his family and his children and new wife and the children brought people and the family that came brought people, etc. He came married to an American divorced about 4 years later and then he went home and got married. This behavior is more common than I thought, but to me it is so sick.

I heard of several Moroccans using people and it seems like the men get more of this than the women. I talked to a lawyer and he told me that with the MENA group a lot of the men come to the states on the K-1 or marriage visa and when it is time to do the AOS a lot of them are filing without the woman. They break up and they claim that there was type of abuse. This was amazinag to me, I also heard of some stories but you do not see these things until you get more in the "game" I will say. They talk to each other and share information and I feel like they find a certain person. I have to say that this is not the case in every relationship, but I did heard about some people helping folks get papers. I meet someone that told me that there sisters friend offered to help him come to the states. My nouth just dropped to the floor and now he is getting married to a Moroccan women and bring her here. It makes me so anger because it seems like if you do the wrong thing then you get it. I meet someone that came illegal are a citizen now and they flew through Casa.

I hate this very much becuase it is so sad to see that people are really that desparate. I have heard of people from Canada, Great Britian and other developed countries doing the same thing. I would love to know where they get there findings also, but I think it comes from complaints that are filed. I have seen on the interenet a lot of people complaining about being used, etc and I am sure that when the relationship goes south, most US citizens will feel like they got used and if they are anger report. From my understand there are 100 of cases that we do not hear of on Vj and that on average about 70% of them denied. My fiance told me only two people where placed on the good AR and one lady got the visa.