Americans Would Rather Do Business With White People Than Black People

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Please link to your stats

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/about-us/cjis/ucr/nibrs/nibrs_wcc.pdf read page 5

http://www.businesspundit.com/10-famous-white-collar-criminals/

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing again. I clearly stated in my post (If you even bothered to read it all) that the source I posted was from some website run be a neo nazi.

But since you started posting stats, let's run with that. I noticed that you didn't post a source for your statistics. Would you mind doing that, so I can point out how wrong you are?

Yes, i will point out how wrong I am. I am sorry please forgive me.

[2ndMessiah 184]

But you said the person at the top doesn't have a clue ??? Did you mean that or not?

P.S Love your sense of humor. The signing up for an account comment made me laugh loudly

The person at the top is nearly always a figure head. Something to point at to either praise when things are going well or despise when things are in the pan. They generally do not have a clue. It does not really matter what their political affiliation is.

I am also glad you see my comments as humorous, as this is how they are intended.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing again. I clearly stated in my post (If you even bothered to read it all) that the source I posted was from some website run be a neo nazi.

But since you started posting stats, let's run with that. I noticed that you didn't post a source for your statistics. Would you mind doing that, so I can point out how wrong you are?

Karee what she is missing is this. It's like the argument that always gets touted. There are more Whites on welfare than blacks. That is slightly untrue, but the number is about even. However Blacks only make up about 14-16% of the population.

Yes Whites are naturally going to have a greater percentage than most other races, we are over 70% of the population. It's the mass over representation statistically, that gives us the pause in that regard.

[Karee 4,191]

I'll use your first link.

Source:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Source:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

In the first table above you can see that Blacks are arrested for 28.4% of all crimes, yet based on census data only make up 13.1% of the population.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Karee what she is missing is this. It's like the argument that always gets touted. There are more Whites on welfare than blacks. That is slightly untrue, but the number is about even. However Blacks only make up about 14-16% of the population.

Yes Whites are naturally going to have a greater percentage than most other races, we are over 70% of the population. It's the mass over representation statistically, that gives us the pause in that regard.

OW really? I love stats. Stats are for people who need to prove a point biasedly like a lot of people do on VJ a lot.

But no matter who has the biggest percent of the population, the bottom line numbers is what should really count.

And again, why should you be held accountable because of the other white males who keep committing white collar crime?

Let me answer this for you. You shouldn't. So if this applies for you wouldn't it make sense to apply to me as well? I should not have to carry a bad reputation because of what some other black person did.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I'll use your first link.

Source:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Source:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

In the first table above you can see that Blacks are arrested for 28.4% of all crimes, yet based on census data only make up 13.1% of the population.

That doesn't matter. If you still look at the raw numbers white people are committing no less crime that black people.

Again, should you be held responsible for the rapes and white collar crimes committed by other white males?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

OW really? I love stats. Stats are for people who need to prove a point biasedly like a lot of people do on VJ a lot.

But no matter who has the biggest percent of the population, the bottom line numbers is what should really count.

And again, why should you be held accountable because of the other white males who keep committing white collar crime?

Let me answer this for you. You shouldn't. So if this applies for you wouldn't it make sense to apply to me as well? I should not have to carry a bad reputation because of what some other black person did.

I would think, just the opposite would be true

[Peikko 1,575]

I'll use your first link.

Source:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Source:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

In the first table above you can see that Blacks are arrested for 28.4% of all crimes, yet based on census data only make up 13.1% of the population.

What do you conclude from that? Anything?

Raw data does reveal some disparities, the problem is that so many assign a reasons for the disparity without so much as a spec of proof. If poor people are more likely to get arrested for criminal behaviour and proportionally more black people are poor than white, does that have a bearing? I don't know the answer, but that's as good a conclusion as any, isn't it?

[Karee 4,191]

That doesn't matter. If you still look at the raw numbers white people are committing no less crime that black people.

Even that is wrong. Look at murder. Black folks make up 13% of the population, yet commit 49.7% of the murders. White people (Hispanic included) make up 77.9% of the population, yet commit 48.0% of the murders. So 13% percent of the population in this country is responsible for half of the murders. That's a pretty shocking stat if you ask me.

Even when looking at theft, black folks account for 28.8%, yet only make up 13% of the population.

[Peikko 1,575]

Even that is wrong. Look at murder. Black folks make up 13% of the population, yet commit 49.7% of the murders. White people (Hispanic included) make up 77.9% of the population, yet commit 48.0% of the murders. So 13% percent of the population in this country is responsible for half of the murders. That's a pretty shocking stat if you ask me.

Even when looking at theft, black folks account for 28.8%, yet only make up 13% of the population.

13% of the population are not responsible for half the murders, the people who commit the murders are responsible, period.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Even that is wrong. Look at murder. Black folks make up 13% of the population, yet commit 49.7% of the murders. White people (Hispanic included) make up 77.9% of the population, yet commit 48.0% of the murders. So 13% percent of the population in this country is responsible for half of the murders. That's a pretty shocking stat if you ask me.

Even when looking at theft, black folks account for 28.8%, yet only make up 13% of the population.

and that point is telling. What she is missing, is I don't hold her responsible for anything nor do I associate her with any of these behaviors.However if you drilled own further, you would find that an alarming percentage of that almost 50% is committed by young black males. When your realize they are less than 4% of the population that becomes an alarming statistic. So If I avoid a street corner that has a group of young black men, in urban attire and dress, does that make me racist? I honestly don't think so. The statistical chance is so dramatically greater, then i have to take my own safety into account. Now if I avoid treat all black people different, yes.

[Karee 4,191]

What do you conclude from that? Anything?

Raw data does reveal some disparities, the problem is that so many assign a reasons for the disparity without so much as a spec of proof. If poor people are more likely to get arrested for criminal behaviour and proportionally more black people are poor than white, does that have a bearing? I don't know the answer, but that's as good a conclusion as any, isn't it?

I was disputing Janelle's claim that white folks are committing more crimes than black folks. Which is an absolute false claim if you take into account the census numbers.

However, I think you're absolutely right. I don't think this is a racial thing. I think it is an income thing. I believe if you fix the income disparity, then the crime disparity will probably fall in line as well. I definitely don't think black people are more likely to commit crimes, simply because they're black. That's ignorant. I'd like to see the FBI numbers based on the income level of the folks being arrested. I'd bet those would be pretty revealing and would probably make the case that race has little to do with it. At least I'd hope that's what they'd look like.

13% of the population are not responsible for half the murders, the people who commit the murders are responsible, period.

Duh. I was talking about statistics, not personal responsibility.

[Karee 4,191]

and that point is telling. What she is missing, is I don't hold her responsible for anything nor do I associate her with any of these behaviors.However if you drilled own further, you would find that an alarming percentage of that almost 50% is committed by young black males. When your realize they are less than 4% of the population that becomes an alarming statistic. So If I avoid a street corner that has a group of young black men, in urban attire and dress, does that make me racist? I honestly don't think so. The statistical chance is so dramatically greater, then i have to take my own safety into account. Now if I avoid treat all black people different, yes.

That makes you less like to become a crime victim, statistically speaking anyway.

[Peikko 1,575]

and that point is telling. What she is missing, is I don't hold her responsible for anything nor do I associate her with any of these behaviors.However if you drilled own further, you would find that an alarming percentage of that almost 50% is committed by young black males. When your realize they are less than 4% of the population that becomes an alarming statistic. So If I avoid a street corner that has a group of young black men, in urban attire and dress, does that make me racist? I honestly don't think so. The statistical chance is so dramatically greater, then i have to take my own safety into account. Now if I avoid treat all black people different, yes.

What is the unemployment rate of young black males?

Is it common for you to find groups of young black males on street corners? I mean, it sounds threatening, but is it a realistic threat? Sounds to me like a bit of tiltling at windmills going on. The only groups of men I ever see on street corners are day labourers looking for work. They may or may not be dangerous but they don't seem very threatening.

I was disputing Janelle's claim that white folks are committing more crimes than black folks. Which is an absolute false claim if you take into account the census numbers.

However, I think you're absolutely right. I don't think this is a racial thing. I think it is an income thing. I believe if you fix the income disparity, then the crime disparity will probably fall in line as well. I definitely don't think black people are more likely to commit crimes, simply because they're black. That's ignorant. I'd like to see the FBI numbers based on the income level of the folks being arrested. I'd bet those would be pretty revealing and would probably make the case that race has little to do with it. At least I'd hope that's what they'd look like.

Duh. I was talking about statistics, not personal responsibility.

[Karee 4,191]

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