US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin: Obama 'clearly broke the law'

I swear I thought Blitzer was going to cry. You can tell he is out of arguments when he whips out the , OL Well didn't Bush do it to ? I swear these people are comical Blame it on Bush .

[JohnR! 5,495]

Correct, she's not a USC. And as far as I can tell, the baby is not yet a USC either.

No reason for the US Government to be involved in her situation at all.

Right on the money.

According to the Dept of State the child is not automatically presumed a US citizen.

Children born in wedlock are generally presumed to be the issue of that marriage. This presumption is not determinative in citizenship cases, however, because an actual blood relationship to a U.S. citizen parent is required. If doubt arises that the citizen "parent" is related by blood to the child, the consular officer is expected to investigate carefully. Circumstances that might give rise to such a doubt include:

(1) Conception or birth of a child when either of the alleged biological parents was married to another;

(2) Naming on the birth certificate, as father and/or mother, person(s) other than the alleged biological parents; and

(3) Evidence or indications that the child was conceived at a time when the alleged father had no physical access to the mother.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Gegel

[UncleBeer 244]

Right on the money.

According to the Dept of State the child is not automatically presumed a US citizen.

Children born in wedlock are generally presumed to be the issue of that marriage. This presumption is not determinative in citizenship cases, however, because an actual blood relationship to a U.S. citizen parent is required. If doubt arises that the citizen "parent" is related by blood to the child, the consular officer is expected to investigate carefully. Circumstances that might give rise to such a doubt include:

(1) Conception or birth of a child when either of the alleged biological parents was married to another;

(2) Naming on the birth certificate, as father and/or mother, person(s) other than the alleged biological parents; and

(3) Evidence or indications that the child was conceived at a time when the alleged father had no physical access to the mother.

Cherry-pick all you want. The rest of the link which I provided says:

(4) Advise blood testing if the couple continues to pursue the claim even though the facts as developed seem to disprove it.

So: the State Dept. is claiming some sort of fraud in this case, but won't come out and say why. T r a n s p a r a n c y . NB: This case has been pending since Dec. 2011. Can any of us say we've had to wait that long?

[novedsac 355]

So: the State Dept. is claiming some sort of fraud in this case, but won't come out and say why. T r a n s p a r a n c y . NB: This case has been pending since Dec. 2011. Can any of us say we've had to wait that long?

They don't have to. You don't have the right to know. It's none of your business.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Cherry-pick all you want. The rest of the link which I provided says:

So: the State Dept. is claiming some sort of fraud in this case, but won't come out and say why. T r a n s p a r a n c y . NB: This case has been pending since Dec. 2011. Can any of us say we've had to wait that long?

What case. This thread is about the Terrorist swap for the deserter ?

[UncleBeer 244]

They don't have to. You don't have the right to know. It's none of your business.

But obviously they do, and the family says State Dept. has not been forthcoming on this point.

Why are you so averse to saving a woman who's clearly innocent from flogging and hanging?

What case. This thread is about the Terrorist swap for the deserter ?

Yeah; kinda went sideways. We better cheese it before the mods swoop in.

[UncleBeer 244]

Gosh: must be getting serious when the mainstream media notices how dangerous the released Taliban jihadis are:

http://youtu.be/mpDrQPK1Z9c

[lostinblue 1,989]

So when we pull out of their country you have the senior members in place to take over the country again. The democrats war on women continues. Public floggings ,death squads and worse.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

So when we pull out of their country you have the senior members in place to take over the country again. The democrats war on women continues. Public floggings ,death squads and worse.

Do you have a single concrete example of Democrats waging a war on women?

One single example of Democrats participating in a single public flogging or a bill demanding that public flogging be instituted?

What Democrat death squads? Or *gulp* worse?!

[JohnR! 5,495]

So when we pull out of their country you have the senior members in place to take over the country again. The democrats war on women continues. Public floggings ,death squads and worse.

[novedsac 355]

Why are you so averse to saving a woman who's clearly innocent from flogging and hanging?

I don't know enough about their laws to know if she's innocent or not. Her not knowing is not an excuse. If she broke the law, then she's guilty regardless of whether we approve of their methods or not (I don't, for the record).

I certainly wouldn't like to see her punished in this manner, but it's also not the responsibility of the US government to 'save' her.

[UncleBeer 244]

Do you have a single concrete example of Democrats waging a war on women?

Bill Clinton. 'nuff said.

[UncleBeer 244]

I don't know enough about their laws to know if she's innocent or not. Her not knowing is not an excuse. If she broke the law, then she's guilty regardless of whether we approve of their methods or not (I don't, for the record).

Why post if you're blithely ignorant of the issue then? That can hardly be called any kind of "informed opinion".

She was sentenced to death on May 15, 2014, for allegedly committing apostasy from Islam, meaning that she was accused of changing religion from Islam to a different (or no) religion. Although Ishag said she has always been a Christian, the prosecution claimed she should have followed the faith of her absent father, and demanded, with the support of the judge, that she abandon her Christian faith, and believe, instead, in her father's faith, Islam. She was given three days to do so, but refused, arguing that she had been a Christian all her life, and could not rescind or alter her genuine personal faith at the request of a court.

But before she'll be hanged for not having the 'right' religion, she'll be given 100 lashes for 'cheating' with a Christian, since the court doesn't recognize her right to marry outside Islam:

The court in the Sudanese capital of Khartoum also ordered that Meriam Ibrahim be given 100 lashes for committing zena — meaning illegitimate sex in Arabic — for having sexual relations with a non-Muslim man.

So: THIS is what you're defending?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Gosh: must be getting serious when the mainstream media notices how dangerous the released Taliban jihadis are:

http://youtu.be/mpDrQPK1Z9c

and even the talking heads on CNN saying it was clearly illegal

[lostinblue 1,989]

Taliban's whipping of Ghor couple reminds of atrocities

The February incident provides more evidence that the Taliban's attitude remains harsh and hasn't changed, analysts say.

By Hasan Khan

2013-03-04

KABUL – The Afghan Taliban's reported whipping of a young couple in Ghor Province February 15 has elicited memories of some of the horrors associated with the Taliban's reign (1996-2001) over Afghanistan, say analysts and political observers.

• Taliban militants wielding canes force locals to attend Friday prayer at a mosque in Kabul November 8, 1996. The recent whipping of a couple by the Taliban in Ghor Province is reminiscent of some of the horrors that marked their reign of terror, residents and analysts say. [Reuters]

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A Ghor Province couple reportedly were whipped for having an illegal relationship – the man 27 times in front of a local mosque and the woman 27 times in her home before she was expelled from the province.

The Taliban's reign in Afghanistan was marked by beheadings, amputations and public floggings at football stadiums. Many are terming the recent whipping as "only the tip of the iceberg" – saying violence and humiliation of ordinary Afghans at the hands of militants are a matter of routine in areas under insurgent influence.

"Whipping is a minor punishment compared to the atrocities and humiliations the Afghans suffered during the Taliban years," Zia Bomya, an Afghan analyst and president of the South Asia Free Media Association (SAFMA) Afghan chapter, told Central Asia Online. "I can still visualise the scenes of cutting off of heads and chopping off of hands by the Taliban moral police at the football stadium (in Kabul)."

Some supposed "offenders" were forced to stand under mud walls that the Taliban would then let collapse on them, he said. "This [burying alive] was the sentence for those accused of immoral acts with males," Bomya said.

Afghan women suffered most during Taliban rule, Habibi Naibi, a former parliamentarian and women's rights activist from northern Afghanistan, said.

"The Taliban philosophy of life and religion is woven around women," Naibi told Central Asia Online. "Women were just commodities – beaten or even killed for sport by the Taliban."

During the Taliban's reign, stadiums and public parks served as sites for thousands of spectators to watch executions and amputations, Naibi recalled.

Change in Taliban approach called unlikely

Afghans are largely sceptical that the Taliban will turn a new leaf if they ever regain power. Taliban insurgents still harbour a village tribal mentality, Shahnawaz Tanai, a formerr Afghan defence minister, said.

"I don't see any change in [the Taliban belief] in violence as a tool for promoting ideology," Tanai told Central Asia Online.

"People believing the Taliban will change their policy and approach are living in a fool's paradise," said Juma Khan Sufi, a Kabul based professor and author of several books on Afghanistan.

"The media reports suggesting that the Taliban have realised their mistakes and will not repeat the same in the future are misleading," Sufi told Central Asia Online. Bomya agreed.

"The Taliban are still pursuing the same policies," he said. "The Ghor incident is just the tip of an iceberg."

"People are suffering more violence in areas where the Taliban have some control," he said. "They [the Taliban] do not believe in rule of law, the constitution or in a formal governance system."

Brutality remains a Taliban trademark

Violence and terror are trademarks of the Taliban, Bomya said. "The Taliban know better than us that if they accept rule of law and the constitution, they will lose – even the group will disperse," he said.

"They are using violence as a tool of suppression," Sufi said. "If they discard violence, then no one will be left in the group; … it will vanish and the Taliban leadership knows this fact."

Afghans have a history of internecine wars and ethnic conflicts; however, the reign of the Taliban marked a national nadir of making violence a state policy, Sufi explained, citing the beheadings, live burials and amputations perpetrated by the Taliban during their rule.

The Taliban have learned nothing from the past and harbour the same approach to society and religion that they have always had, Dr. Atta Ullah, an Afghan professor teaching Islamic studies at the International Islamic University in Islamabad, told Central Asia Online.

They had control over almost 95% of the country and had only a small opposition in the north, he said, but they still failed to win public trust and sustain their rule because of the violence and humiliation, which created an environment of fear.

"The Taliban need to understand that their policy of violence is not sustainable," he said. "They have to change if they want to be accepted by the people."

However, change seems "unlikely," he said, because "every Talib believes the implementation of Islam is in his capacity and that the use of force for such an act is permissible in Islam."

The kenyan sent the top commanders back to join the fight and when we leave they will be more able to take over the country. The top man in the Democratic party sending all Afghan woman back to the H.. hole. Sure cares about the woman folk